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Team Oxygen is in the house. Laker defense yet to emerge from the locker room. 68 points in the first half to a team that usually struggles to score 100? Pathetic.
Hey on the bright side we found our stretch five!
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Start Dwight if you’re going to go big…. Let DAJ recreate his career against bench guys.
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Aloha Jamie, nice post although I agree with a couple of points. First THT had 12 boards, that’s a little more then a couple😂 The 2nd, the Bucks aren’t really injury riddled. They were earlier but they had their big 3 back. The only starter out is Lopez and honestly even with him the Lakers beat the Bucks with LeBron. We went 0 for 16 from 3 down the stretch and it killed us. However that really is an anomaly. We are better then that. 25% down that stretch wins the game. And you are right, fouls are ridiculous. AD didn’t even a get an out in the open flagrant foul call on Giannis. One of our biggest problems was the Bucks were getting small on Giannis, almost at will. And we weren’t sending help. While AD didn’t do a good job against him, he got a lot of his points against small players in switching situations. I don’t know how LeBron will effect THT but I think we now have 4 guys that can really attack. I think we will see rotations that have maybe Russ and AD and LeBron and THT or other combinations with those four.
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Good to see some welcome positivity in this fiver, Jamie. Sometimes, things do look differently after you let some time pass. I still contend this was a QUALITY loss. And I agree with all of your ‘five things.’
1) I agree 100% with you on THT’s great game, especially the 3-point shooting. Talen has put together three straight games that scream third year breakout. Can he continue if LeBron returns? That’s the big question. I think he’ll get a chance. I’ll be rooting for THT to have another big game.
2) Lakers could have won the Bucks game had they shot up to their normal level and had Giannis not had his usual 3 of 4 threes against the Lakers while shooting under 30% vs. rest of league. You’re right that the game often swings on whether we make or miss our threes. I feel more confident that as the season progresses, our improved 3-point shooting will show up.
3) AD did get owned on defense by Giannis and it also affected his confidence on the offensive end. There’s an up-and-down to AD’s game that needs to end. Aggressive for two games followed then by a passive game. For sure, LeBron has the low center of gravity that Giannis has and AD doesn’t. Giannis can overpower AD in the post but not LeBron but AD still cannot get outscored 44 to 18. We need a huge bounce back finish to this road trip by AD. He got schooled. Now he needs some payback.
4) Glad the Lakers complained to the league about the free throw issues. All three Lakers superstars are getting jobbed by the zebra. All three receiving the fewest free throws in their
career. The flagrant foul by Giannis hitting AD in the back and on the head was just the poster boy for the zebras bias against LA.5) Russ working hard to diminish the turnovers is a sign he’s been listening to LeBron, AD, and Frank. The Lakers clearly can benefit from not wasting possessions. Of course, not having LeBron helped too. It will be a key to tonight’s game because the Lakers need LeBron and Russ to take care of the ball. But good find, Jamie, as better ball security is one of the keys to more wins.
Great Fiver, Jamie. Let’s hope LeBron plays, AD dominates, Russ plays under control, THT continues to shine, and our shooters remember how to shoot. I’m hoping for a happy, kumbaya podcast tonight. 😃✌
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Lakers need to do better than I expect (2-3) on this road trip. If, after the roadie, they are at .500 (which would mean they indeed did go 2-3) we’ll be at the 20 game barometer with not much growth to show, hoping an aging LeBron and Carmelo can bring enough firepower consistently (and stay healthy) to make it all work. Feels like a thin plan but it’s seemingly the one concocted. Here’s hoping I’m wrong and overly realistic (sic pessimistic) and they make me look the fool and 5-0.
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I don’t think this is a do-or-die road trip but I’m optimistic that LeBron’s return along with THT’s return plus the team getting a chance to bond on the road will lead to at least a 4-1 road trip so they could hit the quarter pole with a 12-8 record and 4-game win streak. That may not be possible with LeBron out tonight but it’s what I will be rooting for.
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Good fiver, Jamie. Hard to find anything positive about another ‘flush it’ game this season. Obviously, we still have not figured out how to win the non-LeBron minutes.
Overall, I still believe the Lakers will be fine. We’re doomed against the Bucks tonight but should be fine when LeBron returns. Just getting tired of seasons being so affected by the damn injuries. And it’s not just the old guys. It’s the damn young guys who can’t get healthy.
1) Great game by THT, especially the outside shooting. You’re spot on that his 3-point shooting will likely determine his future with the Lakers.
2) AD showed his frustration with the doubling and tripling and his teammates poor shooting by getting tossed for complaining about the time to retie his sneaker. Frank needs to figure out how to counter the double and triples. Russ is obviouslhy not enought.
3) We always get into these arguments about how hard players are playing or whether they have any pride when we lose in a blowout. Sometimes, it’s just the other team playing great, which is what happened last night. The Bulls were scorching the nets all night long while the Lakers were cold as ice. End of story.
4) I do agree with you that it’s unfair to assign all of the taxes to Caruso when it was Westbrook’s contract that created the inevitable situation. I still believe there were other reasons besides money for the Lakers not bringing Caruso back and part of that is his limitations as a player. Some of it was about opening up minutes for other guards who were more offensive minded. I mean, imagine if we also had AC, the minutes at the two would disappear. We already have way too many guards and not enought wings.
5) Now you’re suddenly after the 15th game telling me we have no chance of turning it around and LeBron coming back will just cause more problems? I will consider that just your rant after a terrible game. Friday, when LeBron returns, we will start to turn this around. Mark my words. 4-game road win streak.
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Aloha Jamie, not ce post. AD was a beast. I believe AD will start at the 5 moving forward. He is just so much more effective moving inside out, then when he gets the ball outside when he plays the 4. If he wants a shot at the MVP then it’s going to be at the 5. There maybe the occasional match up that starting him at the 4 makes sense but I hose are few and far between. And if we do it should be Dwight, not DJ joining him.
THT was incredible for his first game back. His offense was a little rusty in the first half but he settled down for 12 in the 2nd half. I think he will be our starting SF going forward. I would prefer him at the 2 but if we are starting AD at the 5, our options are limited. I think Melo is best off the bench so LeBron would be at the 4. What was most interesting to me was that Russ deferred to him in crunch time. That shows a lot of respect and validates all the praise that was coming from camp before the injury. THT suffers from the lack of respect because of his draft slot in the 2nd round. I looked back at his draft class and if redrafted he would be a lottery pick for sure and perhaps a top 10 pick. He was a huge steal in his he draft.
Wayne is tearing it up now. 45% from 3 and if you throw out his first 2 rust games he’s shooting 59%. And the thing that has surprised me the most is his defense has been decent. Yes he’s not a lock down defender but he makes the effort. We are basically getting better shooting and a little defense for 18mil less then if we had traded for a buddy who is shooting a very good39% from 3.
And Malik is great to have, such a creative scorer and he can make plays for others. He had 4 assists and Dwight robbed him of another by missing a bunny
What is your guess to what the starting line up will look like once everyone is back? For me i think the only question mark will be at the 2, if AD starts. We have yet to see Nunn. Would he start or would he back up Russ at PG. Avery for defense? Wayne for 3 point shooting? that may make the most sense. i think you want at least one sniper starting.
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Hey Michael. I hate to say it but I don’t think we’ve seen the last of DeAndre Jordan starting. Frank has intimated as much, as well. I don’t get it, none of that entire situation/choice makes any sense to me at all, basketball or otherwise.
I think, because of how we let a lot of the vets ease through camp and then all the young guys except Monk got hurt, that we’re going to see a lot of starting five line ups again. As long as we don’t have the absurdity of last season (I think we ended up with over 20 different starting line ups if memory serves but I’d have to go double-check that…might have topped out at 19?) it’s fine.
Hard for me to say that THT will be anything other than what I’ve seen from him thus far. It was one game against a rebuilding Spurs team focused on the youth movement. There wasn’t a shot-blocking big who played, really, and THT is always really good in a handful of games. Can he do everything he did last night consistently is the bigger question and I’m sure he and Caruso will both be jazzed to show they deserve this or that tonight.
It’s too bad we don’t have Malik’s bird rights since he came over ona minimum deal, makes it very likely that he finds a more lucrative deal elsewhere next season since we can only offer him a 20% raise (or use the MLE) to retain him. I have really been surprised by the polish in his overall game. Since getting benched for not playing defense he’s been playing defense, same for Wayne who certainly does not have any kind of rep on that side of the court.
All in all, I still feel like this team is vastly underperforming and some of that is due to injuries but mostly to our mediocre defense. The good thing is that we have started to at least look a little more consistent in that AD has been playing at a pretty high level, Russ isn’t trying to win MVP in one game and the bench is contributing well-enough to keep us in games throughout the early portion of the schedule. Hopefully this team can start to really turn the season around on this upcoming 5 game road trip. If not I think we’ll be in trouble, especially if we come home from the roadie under .500. Frank’s seat ain’t secure by any means.
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I have to disagree with you on THT Jamie, I think he has a very high ceiling. He looked really good in the preseason games he played before the injury. I also take what was coming out from the Lakers camp before he got hurt under consideration. You have to keep in mind that he still hasn’t turned 21 yet. I remember Kobe’s first few years. Promising but not Kobe like yet. Even in his 3rd year and first as a starter at 20 he was very good but not great yet. now I’m not remotely suggesting that THT is the next Kobe. I am saying that it take few years, with a lot of ups and downs. i look at what he already has in his tool box, his willingness to bust his butt on defense and his work ethic and see a player that very well could become a star for this team.
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One more thing about THT. I went back and looked at his draft class and from what we have seen so far, there are only 5 maybe 6 guys I would have drafted ahead of him. And they are all older. Herro is the only one drafted by a contender all of the others went to bad teams, where they got to play a lot, right away. THT making the rotation for a contender like he did last year says a lot about his potential. I think he could be a Laker star for a lot of years to come. The last guy we drafted that was that young was BI. Again not saying he will be that good but BI had a bumpy first couple of years until he got traded and was able to play big minutes. By the way THT is already a better defender.
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Michael and Jamie,
Great conversation, guys.
I’m pretty much in agreement with Michael that AD will start at the five and THT at the three going forward as they need to find out if he can be a starter with our three superstars, which will hinge on how much better he shoots from three. And they want to increase his trade value by showing he can be a starter at 21.
With Russ at the one, THT at the three, LeBron at the four, and AD at the five, we’re left with only one open starting spot, which is shooting guard. The top two candidates for that position are Monk and Ellington. So far, Monk is my pick because of his greater offensive versatility and proven defensive superiority so far this season.
I do think Jamie is right that we have not seen the last of DeAndre or Dwight starting at center. In fact, I think there are strong reasons right now with LeBron and Trevor out that Frank should be starting DeAndre. We’re getting killed in the paint and on the boards.
The doubling and tripling of AD has killed our inside game leaving us to hang on our 3-point shooting. Fail and we lose like last night or against Portland. Hit them and we win like against the Spurs. We need to see adjustments tonight from Vogel.
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Aloha Jamie, I feel your pain. I turned the game off in the 3rd when we got down by 30. Now I think the TWolves are better then their record. They have talent on that team. And we were missing LeBron and 4 important rotation players. So for me it wasn’t about losing the game. It’s how we lost. If we had battled and came up short I would have chalked it up to an injury loss and moved on. But the pathetic lack of hustle, of energy, is what really was disturbing for what is supposed to be a veteran team. This team NEEDS to play inside out. With AD in the middle and Westbrook’s ability to attack the paint, we need to attack, especially when the outside shots aren’t falling. Rarely does everyone on a team go cold but that was the case and we continued to just dribble up, pass the ball around the perimeter and take a 3. This is on the coaching staff as much as on our VETERAN players. While I still believe that things will turn around when we get players back this lack of energy going into the 3rd quarter has been a problem, even when LeBron was playing. These guys should be embarrassed.
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It was embarrassing to watch, AD sounded more than embarrassed and this is like the 5th game of the season where the overall effort, focus and presence is MIA. The whole team is vets except Monk and he’s playing with more intensity than most of the vets. Getting LeBron back should help but the MO for the team to this point has been disappointing on
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If you want to ask me if I’ll die on Caruso Hill, don’t bother. My body has already been found and the autopsy shows I died of incredulity.
Most used Bulls lineup:
Ball/Caruso/LaVine/DeRozan/Vucevic: 9 games / 60 minutes / 105 Ortg / 93.8 Drtg / +11.3 net ratingCaruso is 6th in the entire league in deflections (40). He’s 2nd in the entire NBA in STL% among guards who actually play legit minutes and 3rd overall in steals.
Yeah. I’m sure Nunn will replicate that kind of defensive impact.
Ridiculous.
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My issue, as I indicated on the post game podcast, is that if you offense that has AD, Russ, and LBJ is relying on 37 year old Melo to make it all work there is a fundamental flaw in that offensive system.
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Many instances of older elite 3-point shooters helping winning championships: Kyle Korver, Ray Allen, Steve Kerr… Just add Melo to that list.
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Every LeBron team has had a designated 3-point shooter who played on his strong side wing or corner. That’s always been part of the formula for success with LeBron. Lakers finally found their version of that shooter in Melo, which is a huge positive development for this Lakers’ team.
Hilariously, I see above that I never finished my response to your fiver so I fixed that and responded to your remaining 4 points. Damn, getting harder to juggle those mental balls as I get older.
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Good fiver, Jamie. And thanks for being there on Lakers Fast Break so Gerald did not have to go solo.
1) We started out hoping for 1 out 4 great games from Melo. Then it was 2 out 4. Now it’s looking like 3 out of 4. Melo is the one player the Lakers signed who has the stones to shoot better rather than worse like everybody else who can stand the bright lights. Melo and AD showing grit and guts to lead the Lakers are two huge reasons to be high on the Lakers despite the record and injuries. Every win without LeBron is like two wins in the end.
2) I think we’re getting out in the break fine but we’re still not finishing at an elite level. Russ and Baze missing bunnies at the rim. We’ll get better. When you play at such a fast pace, you turn the ball over more and increase the number of possessions and thus points scored and allowed. So I think it’s a misconception that playing fast hasn’t helped us win games. It has but it’s only one component.
3) When you look at the last six games, we’re 4th in defensive rating in the league with similarly impressive individual player defensive ratings. That tells me what Frank is doing defensively is working. Pace is just distorting it and we still haven’t played enough games for the true rate to emerge. The key is we are getting better and should continue to improve once LeBron, THT, Nunn, and Ariza get healthy.
4) Completely agree with you regarding composure. We’re getting hosed by the refs but we’re compounding the situation by complaining, arguing, and sometimes not getting back into play. I think that’s an early season issue that will resolve itself. As we start getting healthy and winning, the frustrations will go away.
5) There’s always two sides to the story. No, we didn’t win comfortably but, like Russ responded to Bill Oram, “Who won?” The key is this is a win without LeBron James. This is why we traded for Russell Westbrook. For situations just like this when LeBron or AD are out. Russ is the insurance and last night, it worked. That’s such important progress that it should have been at the top of your five things.
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Aloha Jamie, nice post. The way I looked at our age before the season started was that we went 14 deep, so there would be enough rest to go around for our younger players. Unfortunately injuries have mucked that up. Four of the guys l thought would play heavy rotation minutes have been hurt. And making matters worse, two of them were our young guys. We are really paying the price for not resigning Alex.
I have never quite been all in to the 3 superstar approach. But I bought in this year, thinking that in Westbrook we had a guy that could carry the load if LeBron or AD went down. There were a lot of concerns about Russ. There was the good Russ and the bad Russ. I thought we could live with the bad. Unfortunately we haven’t seen enough of the good Russ and this last game was pathetic. It’s early and we will get guys back. But Russ needs to play like a superstar when LeBron is out. While there is fit question with LeBron, he should be taking over and playing like a superstar when LeBron isn’t on the court. So far he hasn’t done that enough.
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Michael’s comment about good Russ and bad Russ kind of encapsulates this Lakers team. Good Melo, Bad Melo. Good LeBron, Bad LeBron. Good AD, Bad AD. Good Baze, Bad Baze. Good Reaves, Bad Reaves. Good Vogel, Bad Vogel.
Or maybe it’s just early in the season and players haven’t had a chance to develop rapport or chemistry because of all of the crazy lineups due to injuries and inconsistent play. After all, we did have 11 new players and right now are missing three of our five highest paid players who are out with injuries.
Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer.
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Great fiver, Jamie. Love the Get Back theme and video. Thanks.
I also appreciate the more nuanced criticism and acknowledgement of the positive things that we’re seeing. There’s definitely a ways to go and injuries are rearing their ugly head again but we’re good enough to fight through it so no need to panic. Bron out is just going to make it take longer.
The silver lining. I’m rooting for AD to go crazy and put-up stats like he did at times in New Orleans and Russ to continue to show that winning without LeBron is why we traded for him regardless of fit. That’s what I want and hope to see but not predicting. But I’m primed to be happily surprised. That would be sweet.
1) No doubt defense has at times been problematic for this team, especially when you must give minutes to poor defenders like Rondo, Jordan, and Monk. Honestly, though, the problem is we seem to have an underrated talent for going into scoring droughts at the same times as when we lapse at defense.
I realize that the label of a 3&D guy is given to way more players than really deserve it, both as shooters and defenders. We have shooters and defenders but few who do both. That means each lineup must be balanced so the team can score and defend.Frankly, no pun intended, some of Frank’s rotations were just terrible. Yes, partly due to injuries and limited roster, but really, a lineup of Howard, Rondo, Bradley, Bazemore, and Reaves? Come on, Frank.
2) There’s no doubt that AD was on his way towards a career type night but I’m thankful he could come back and hopeful he’ll play tomorrow. Waiting for AD to become the next LeBron has been fraught with disappointment and concern due to injuries and, for me at least, motivation to be the greatest. His play is raising hopes this may be the season when it’s AD who wins Finals MVP instead of LeBron.3) Westbrook’s Jekyll and Hyde game, indeed. Talked about the offensive and defensive self-inflicted wounds. Here’s where LeBron and AD need to take Russ aside and tell him to be smarter in the clutch and in general. Anyway, like I say this early in the season, it’s only one game and Russ is looking like he can a force. We’re especially seeing how having a third superstar can be a great insurance policy as well as a ceiling raiser.
4) There’s no question Bradley is the best we have right now as a fifth starter. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s going to be good enough for us to win. At the least, we need Nunn and THT to show they can take the starting two and three jobs. They’re the highest paid non-superstars. They will show it or be traded at the deadline for players who can. Can’t spend $10M and $5M on two guys who can’t start. That would be foolish. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lakers push them into those spots when they come back for just that reason. That $15M should be spent on starters, not bench players.
5) Thunder and SGA played great and they clearly won the second game and in game adjustments over the Lakers. Good coaching. Good young talent who hit clutch shots to take us down twice. Good reminder for the Lakers of how far they need to go and how important the little things and synergy that make a cohesive team on the court better than their parts.
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Nice post Jamie, for me the biggest issue is still injuries. Although a close 2nd is our bad habit of taking our foot off the gas almost every game. That has to stop immediately. One would think that after they beat us the 1st time would have applied even more pressure up 19. I do believe we would have won if either Nunn or THT were available. Rondo is now a break glass in case of an emergency type of player. With either Nunn or THT available Rondo doesn’t play. Also both are very capable of creating offense so we may not have had that scoring drought. And of course they both can defend. I’m also impressed with Bradley. I do believe they will guarantee his contract. If a desirable player is cut and available at the deadline I wouldn’t be surprised if we cut Rondo to make room. And please, Dwight should be getting all the minutes at center when AD sits. He has played much better than DJ. When we have to start AD at the 4 Dwight should be the 5. Go out early and then start the 2nd quarter when AD rests. And when we get everyone back AD should start at the 5 and Dwight should relieve him. DJ should join Rondo as a break glass in case of emergency player.
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You should have seen the first draft. Much gloomier but then I had coffee and the world is always a bit brighter after that.
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Frank really has his work cut out for him. I think both Beadley and Bazemore are actually the right kind of guys we need to set a tone early. They’re system guys who fit in where needed and take the open shot. I think where we see a lot of slippage across the board is when it’s left to the supporting cast to run the show. This is where our bin-dynamic offense hits hardest. Russ doesn’t need a scheme, just a shred of daylight. AD needs the ball 15 feet out. That’s the offense. But, with LBJ out and those guys both sitting for about 15 mpg we see a huge fall off in every measurable category. That’s where I’d love to see Nunn or THT or anyone really shine. Can’t put it all in Melo, dude is playing as well as can be expected given the mileage.
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You are right about the fall off Jamie,, when guys rest. But we have 3 very capable guys that haven’t seen the floor yet. Both Nunn and THT looked really good in their limited preseason appearances but even more impressive was what the coaches and teammates were saying about them and what they were seeing in practice. There is also Ellington. I’m interested in seeing what he will bring. My expectations for him last night was pretty low, considering it was his first game back. The big question is, will he be a 42% from 3 guy or will he suffer the shooters curse that haunted Danny Green, Wes Matthews and others that we have brought in for shooting.
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Glad to see the caffeine doing it’s work. The injuries have made Frank struggle with lineups but it’s doubtful answer for starters at the 2 and 3 will be a pair of minimum salary players like Bradley & Bazemore or even Ellington & Ariza. Nunn and THT must be answer due to $10M & $5M salaries or be traded.
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Cue the “One does not simply replace LeBron James!” memes.
Still, Lakers gotta try. DeAndre Jordan will go back to starting, Russ will have the ball more but someone has to help put points on the board. Or rather, some people. Looking for some bounce-back from Monk, maybe some Ellington minutes. Monk in particular has had a spate of bad luck in the form of shots rolling off the rim, rimming out and so on. Of course, a vintage Carmelo Anthony performance would go a long way and I also expect to see some Rondo minutes.
I’d love to be able to call this a revenge game but I still just see it as another trap game where we need to let our defense and our points in the paint lead the way and not overly-rely on three-point shots. Still, hate to say it but here it comes…
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Good fiver, Jamie, but still too much doubt and not enough faith.
1) The Legend of the Missing Points. Talk about a crazy move by the zebra. Glad to see Lakers challenging this. Could easily have cost them the game. Your point about players not getting do-overs is spot on. It’s like when refs call makeup fouls.
2) Laker defense was by far the uglier issue from last night’s win. Just one of those games where everybody on the Rockets was suddenly an elite 3-point shooter. What can you say? Great O will usually beat great D. I mean Green was lethal from deep as we saw with those last two threes, including the Hail Mary.
3) Best game by the trio to date. No doubt. 30/27/27 was best effort by our superstar big three yet. All three superstars did their part in getting to the rim. Lakers have shown over the last few games that they can get all three superstars on the same page. Steady progress, especially fitting Russ into the team.
4) Lakers three point shooting sucked. You missed biggest point, which was Lakers scored 78 points in the paint, the most by any NBA team this season. We lost the 3-point battle by 30 points but won the PIP battle by 28 points and free throws by 10 points. By the way, Lakers are still a top ten 3-point shooting team.
5) The Kent Bazemore effect. Baze has been playing great. His effort on defense has been magnificent. Problem with Baze is he’s playing the three right now and really does not have the size to play that position. He’s really a two guard and that’s where his chance to start will be. Ariza is likely to replace him at the three. Ideally, we still need to upgrade both the two and three.
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check out Bazemore run around the three point line in order to keep rotating to a man. wow. pic.twitter.com/B7SapMQ6Yg
— The Lakers Review (@TheLakersReview) November 3, 2021
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The Lakers are 27th in DEF RTG, but have other metrics that show they're going to get better on defense. They rank 4th in forcing TO's, 5th in blocks, 7th in steals. Imagine where they can be when they actually start caring more on defense?
— CL Owens 🏀 🇺🇸 (@CSmoove_Sports) November 4, 2021
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I see, more faith and belief, eh. If you have such faith why are you already trading 1/4 of the roster man? lol,,,one side says: have faith! The other: these guys can’t get it done, ship ’em out! One side says: you’re chicken little! And the other says: This roster can’t win a championship as it is!
Too funny…tooooo funny…
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