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    5 Things: Lakers defense leads the way in win over Rockets

    Before anyone tells me about how the Rockets are in rebuilding mode I’m gonna say it doesn’t matter. That’s an NBA team with potential All Stars, solid young pieces and a good coach. They are, in short, an NBA team. Just as the loss to OKC was an indictment against the veteran team, keeping the pressure on a young team shows the kind of poise one should expect from this version of the Lakers. In what is quickly becoming an improbable theme: Carmelo Anthony led the way.

    1. Settling for the team you are or becoming the team you are destined to be? In some ways this was a game that was going to define the early-season Lakers. Lose and suddenly you can’t say the loss to OKC was a fluke but rather the beginning of a trend. Win and you can start to build some early season momentum, which has certainly been lacking up to this point. I doubt anyone expected the Lakers to come into this contest at .500 and needing to prove that they can beat a team like Houston with defense and not just watching the points crank upwards and hoping we end the game with more. But in many ways this game was as must-win of an early season as there could be for a team loaded with banner aspirations and with the caliber of talent and vets. The Lakers did right by their expectations and themselves with perhaps their most complete defensive effort to date by holding Houston to a mere 85 points.
    2. Adjusting to the new rules and how the refs and each crew interprets them. It’s far too easy to lay the blame of a bad game or bad stretch at the feet of the referees, it’s why I really go out of my way to explicitly not do that. But this getting absurd. I’m fairly certain this is the 7th straight game where we haven’t shot anywhere near the number of free throws as the opposition and it’s not because we’re a jump-shooting team. Nor are we a team populated with drifters, leg-kickers, sideways jumpers or any of the other clues the league is trying to crack down and limit. So…what gives? LeBron gets hit across the head on a layup? Nothing. Ad gets hit on his way into the paint and across the arms on his shots? Nothing. Russ gets mugged driving the ball? Nothing. This one of those things that one would imagine would balance out over time but it’s definitely affected more than one game in this young season and it’s hard to see how it’s based on reputations.
    3. AD started at the 5! Likely this was due to the injury to Dwight Howard (stiff neck) but it still happened and it definitely helped set a more intense defensive tone early and made it easier to keep that vibe going through out. Adding Avery Bradley to that starting group helped as well in that it gave the team a legit ball hawk to start the game off. I really hope Frank sticks with this line up moving forward. It takes pressure off of Russ and LeBron to make every play happen, gives us plus defenders in the paint and the perimeter and AB can score when called upon. Add in Bazemore or Ariza (when he’s healthy) and that’s a solid defensive line up that can also score in a variety of ways. It just sets us up to play the brand of basketball we want to see from the jump and, unless the play of Dwight or DeAndre warrants it, I don’t see why we should go back.
    4. Valuing possessions. One really easy way to keep the lid on a young team is to value the ball and make the most of every possession. With only 14 turnovers the Lakers did just that which is good because it seemed like every time we coughed the rock up Houston went down and scored to the tune of 32 points off of turnovers which helped get them back into the game. The Lakers used their own defense to force 27 turnovers and stymie the run of the Rockets even if we couldn’t pull away like one would like to see.
    5. Carmelo Anthony 6th man of the year. Let it begin now: Melo should definitely be in the running for the 6th man of the year award if he continues to play at this level. For the season AD is leading the way with 179 points, Russ is behind him at 128 and LeBron and Melo are neck and neck with 119 and 117, respectively. This is the 2nd time Anthony has led the team in scoring off the bench and often in fewer than 30 minutes. He’s shooting a blistering 52.2% from three and 50% flat from the floor. He’s playing decent D for Melo and he’s fitting in perfectly. He also blocked 4 shots tying a career high. While it’s likely Carmelo cools off eventually and has a down game or stretch of games it is quite enjoyable watching him hoop. Love Melo as a Laker and I’m just gonna keep right on saying that.

    Lakers should win on Tuesday but they have to beware of the trap-like nature of this game: we just beat the Rockets, they’re young and scrappy and we still have a lot of room for improvement. Shave off some of that room by coming out and dominating the Rockets for a full 48 and win going away. Go Lakers.

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    • Aloha Jamie, nice 5. I agree with most of your points but there were a couple of things for me that was a little troubling. I really loved the defensive intensity. But it’s been a while since I’ve seen a team commit so many unforced turnovers. It seems like for every turnover the Lakers earned the Rockets gifted them another. One wonders what the outcome would have been without as many gifts, considering we allowed the Rockets to hang around in the 2nd half. But at least this time, it was offense not defense that provided the Rockets 2nd and 3rd chances. I can’t remember the last time a Lakers teams missed that many easy shots. Again lack of focus? Or just one of those weird things that’s happens occasionally. I had predicted that we would win ugly early on and this was ugly. Not sure if Avery starts when Nunn gets back. Nunn is also a pesky defender so we will see. I do know that our 2nd unit will be one of the best when we are healthy and Melo will lead the way.

      • Good points, Michael. I think Nunn and Ellington will challenge Bradley to start at the two and Ariza could challenge Bazemore to start at the three.

        Nunn might have the edge because of his shooting and defense but if Ellington can shoot the three like Melo, it may be hard to keep him out of the starting lineup.

        If Ariza can still hit threes and defend, his 6-8 size will be hard to keep out of the starting lineup as Kent is really only 6-4 but has those 7-0 arms.

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    5 Things: Lakers do it with defense and beat Cavs

    It took awhile for the Lakers to show the kind of defensive intensity that we’ve all grown accustomed to from a Frank Vogel coached team and having a generally healthy LeBron James didn’t hurt, either. The Lakers got back to .500 with a solid second half defensive effort that, if truth be told, really started with a couple minutes to go in the first half to bring the two teams back to a tie going into the break. Keyed by a stellar scoring night from Carmelo and the dominant interior presence of Dwight Howard the Lakers won at STAPLES for just the second time in 4 tries.

    1. The stealth impact of Avery Bradley. Not much was made when the Lakers claimed AB off of waivers save for some folks to quip about the overall age of the team just keeps on creeping north. While there are issues with the team age adding Bradley should have been a no-brainer who saw how he was able to flourish on the floor with LeBron and AD in the regular season prior to COVID-19. That has continued in his second tour and he was one of the keys to last night’s win. I’m sure Frank will dust off Rondo on occasion, break the glass when the ball stops and we need a little more on court savvy, but for the most part those minutes should go to Bradley for the time being. Getting back THT and Nunn might change that but for now I don’t see sense in not putting Bradley on the floor especially when Russ is running the show. He plays the slow-control Yin to Russ’ hyper-force Yang. It gives us another defense minded guy who can hit from the outside and run a set play.
    2. The juice Carmelo brings to the arena. Is it just me or does it feel like Laker fans have waited about 20 years for Carmelo to suit up for the Lakers? I remember when he was out of basketball being utterly mystified we didn’t make him an offer. Well, here he is and he’s kicking booty. Yes, you will get some bad shooting performances. Yes, you will get some lackluster defense. You also get the equivalent of an old west gunfighter who has never lost a quick draw. The man can flat score the basketball and he can do it from anywhere. As soon as he gets off the bench the crowd gets juiced, even in most away arenas since Laker fans dominate planet Earth. Last night he missed his first shot and missed not but 2 more out of 12 going a deadly 6-8 from three. In short, Melo is a joy to watch hoop. Even for crusty, defense-first guy like me.
    3. Getting the King back out there. I know one of the big reasons we got the third superstar caliber player to go along with LBJ and AD was to give us a cushion for when one of them goes down, needs to sit, foul trouble, etc. But…c’mon, this is LeBron’s team people and it has been since he signed here. He says things that indicate otherwise but the Lakers need LeBron like Earth needs an atmosphere. We need to do everything we can to not replicate the issues the Brooklyn Nets have faced with their big three in that they have barely played together and frankly that may end up being the only legend they forge at this point depending on how long Kyrie chooses not to sit (hint: until NYC changes it’s vaxx mandate). The Lakers are going as far as AD, Russ and LeBron take them and in the spirit of that the Lakers need them to get time together and for Frank to figure out what works when they’re not on the floor in the flow. In terms of last night’s game, James didn’t blow the roof off the arena but his presence is so stabilizing. On defense he can be a game-changer and he is the engine that drives our offense, this was all on full display last night as he continued his dominance over the team that drafted him #1.
    4. Davis chipping in, too. Davis has been focused a lot more on playing in the paint and it’s starting to become a weapon. Fewer step back, fade away shots and more drives to the rim. He was 1-2 from three which we will also need. But he can be, and is, such a dominant paint presence even playing the style of basketball he prefers. AD was a big part of our defense which was key in a game where we once again gave up 20+ free throws to the opposition. He was also a big reason why we reverted to type and dominated in the paint, again.
    5. Some interesting numbers: 27 being the number of threes we shot which is right in line i regards to that being the number of attempts we ought to be shooting. Much more than 30 and I feel like it reveals a lazy, unorganized approach on offense. 60-44=16 being the difference in paint points we scored which helped offset the 6 points we gave up at the free throw line. 9 which was the number of field goals we made more than the Cavs as our offense executed at it’s highest level to date. Lastly, and most importantly: 16 which was the total number of points the Cavs scored in the 4th quarter. The Lakers need to bottle that quarter and send it to the brewery or wherever basketball mojo is brewed because I could stand for a lot more of that kind of thing.

    We kept a team under 100 for the first time this season in any game played. We had our best defensive effort so far and we got the majority of the roster playing together. Could this be the page-turning game we’ve all been looking for? The one where the Lakers as a team can overcome the individual warts in the singular games of each of it’s players? Where superstars known more for scoring can chip in and play decent defense? I sure hope so because up until this point there just hasn’t been much that’s fun or exciting to watch. I’ve started the process of talking myself into accepting that 20 turnovers is an acceptable number for this team since you basically have to spot LBJ and RW 5 each which leaves 10 for the rest of the team. At any rate, solid win and one that is to the form we hope to see from the team going forward. Go Lakers.

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    • Best fiver this young season, Jamie. Pretty much agree with everything you said. Glad to see you back away from the ledge. Great sign for our defense in the fourth quarter. Now they need to keep their pedal to the metal going forward. Top priority is not to allow any backsliding. Let’s win games and get healthy.

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    5 Things: Lakers collapse against Thunder then lose composure

    I hearken back to last season in moments like these. Moments when I was ridiculed, berated and told to “stop worrying” when I brought up the incredible number of turnovers the team coughed up last season. In the moments that I thought to myself, “Maybe I am worrying about nothing…?” I would, as I generally do, stick to my guns and continue to insist it was an issue that could (and ended up being a major culprit in) derailing our repeat title hopes. This season, since we solidified the roster, the defense has been my #1 concern as it would seem both on paper and in reality that this team couldn’t stop a hobbled turtle from escaping. In short, this Laker team has some major issues to address.

    1. 115. That’s the minimum number of points the Lakers have allowed in every single game this season. Don’t worry, we’ve allowed even more in some games, too! This continues a trend in preseason (which some believe doesn’t matter at all, I feel differently) where we gave up an average of 119.3 points per game. So, while one might assume that things would improve once the intensity of the regular season became a factor and the games really matter, in reality it’s gotten slightly worse as we now are giving up 119.6 points per game. That’s a number that will get coach Vogel canned sooner than later. If a defense-first coach can’t get a team to buy in and/or execute the defense then the defense-first coach becomes expendable. Especially when the roster has been filled out with minimum contract players.
    2. The minimum contract players. I was worried about the composition of the roster before preseason and it’s a full blown concern now. The issue isn’t that the roster doesn’t have talent, one could actually make a point that the talent level is possibly too high and we need more yeoman type of guys to put forth the proper effort on defense. The issue is that these guys are all defined already, some of them are fighting for their first ring, Dwight wants a parade, and so on. Only a handful are young players still looking to prove themselves. We have 5 bonafide first ballot Hall of Famers on the team (LeBron, Davis, Dwight, Russ and Carmelo), role players that have championship pedigree and guys who have accumulated the ancillary NBA accolades. It just feels like we lack the right kind of fire and hunger that you want to see in a team that can go all the way.
    3. The lack of composure. Russ’ late game meltdown (which I felt was unwarranted, with 1.5 seconds to go and being up only 3 that dunk sealed the win for OKC and was not pouring salt in the wound) is just the latest in an early string of surprising losses of composure from what should be a veteran team. Dwight and AD fighting, Russ losing his mind at a game sealing dunk, and the loss of guys like Kidd and Lionel Hollins and…yes…Jared Dudley have all eroded the locker room chemistry that even through the litany of injuries and myopic play last season stayed strong. At least to the public. No longer. Like a daytime soap opera the drama is on full display for all to see and it’s getting ugly real quick. This one circles right back to the coach, again. Vogel seems content to let the team police itself, that he seems to feel his job is to set forth the plan and then yell at refs. Would Phil Jackson have allowed the spirit and harmony of the team to get to this point? Certainly not, he would’ve come up with an obscure ceremony that helped put things in perspective and then benched the young guys, of course.
    4. Wasn’t there a game last night? Yes, and we lost it in stunning fashion to an 0-4 team we were up 26 points to. The issues above have been here from the start and I didn’t even touch on Russell’s quadruple double that he achieved via 10 turnovers or our inability to generate a quality shot over the last couple of minutes in the 4th quarter or our mediocre three point shooting (but with volume!) or inability to defend without fouling (the Thunder shot 29 free throws last night, were the more physically aggressive team and beat our azzes, kudos to them but we should have won this game going away). If we can’t solve these basic, core issues this team will win a decent number of games and be bounced out of the playoffs within two rounds. I don’t care how much center Anthony Davis plays or how many threes we shoot. If the spirit of the team isn’t right, if we can’t defend or come up with something resembling a quality offense, this season is going to be another wasted one for LeBron and the Lakers.
    5. Well Mr. Grumpus what do YOU think we can do to fix this? Get healthy and that’s not happening soon. By the time we get guys like Ariza, THT and Ellington back we could be in quite the hole in the loaded western conference. Depending on how truly severe LeBron’s ankle injury is (listed as questionable for tonight and nobody saying the kind of things like “if it were the playoffs I’d play”) it might not really matter anymore. Our 2 wins came in the form of Ja Morant missing a free throw and failing to force overtime and against the Spurs…in overtime. The Spurs are another rebuilding team and it’s feeling to me quite lucky that Ja missed that free throw or this could be `1-4, at best. Luckily for Frank we won those games because the last Laker coach to start the season 0-5 lost his job by the 8th game. If that happens this season, with the roster not having any continuity at all, I don’t think much will improve. Firing Vogel won’t fix what ails us at this point, or at least it’s not likely to fix it soon enough. The truth is that this will fix itself if, and only if, Russ, LeBron and AD can figure out a way to dominate as a trio. Other than that we just don’t have what it takes on the roster.

    The only good thing is that we’re not 10 games in and it’s possible we’re getting all the bad mojo out of the woodworks early. Dwight and AD seem to have truly squashed whatever beef that they had, LeBron isn’t likely to be out for the whole season as I think they’re just waiting for him to not feel limited with the ankle, and Russ will get better. Time is the Lakers enemy right now. The more time it takes for things to coalesce the harder the road gets. We need to feast on these rebuilding teams and treat them like the pond scum they are. If we can’t fatten up on the early portion of the schedule and build a little cushion for ourselves it just means the tight rope gets longer and higher as the season wears on. Best to get across it early.

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    • I’m always amazed at how glass-half-empty people totally lose perspective whenever early troubles hit their sports team or political candidates. They become veritable Chicken Littles, pimping how they were right last season when their predictions of disaster came true while ignoring how many times their crying ‘Fire’ on the blog turned out to be false alarms two years ago when we won our 17th NBA championship.

      1. No, Frank Vogel’s is not going to be fired based on his record 5 games into the season. The NBA season is a marathon and we’re just leaving the starting gate. If the defense doesn’t improve as we get healthy, then we will see major trades before the deadline. Lakers knew they had holes that still needed filling. My bet is we will see modest improvement but will still make major moves at the deadline to get a stretch four who can guard wings.

      2. Frankly, we haven’t seen many of our minimum salary players, including Ariza and Ellington, two guys touted as likely starters by the pundits before the season. I think we’ve seen excellent starts to the season from Monk, Reaves, and Bazemore. The injuries have just hit us at the positions and roles where we were weakest.

      3. I have mixed feelings about the lack of composure. First, I do think chemistry is far more important than most fans do. Second, however, I think you have to differentiate between recurring behavior and single incident behavior when you’re criticizing players. 5 games is far too small a sample size. I don’t think there’s any chemistry problem with this team.

      4. Yeah, we got problems, especially defensively, but come on, man. This is just one game. And only the fifth in a long season. We’ll have 77 more games to fix the problems we have and several months before the trade deadline to consider moves to upgrade the roster. It’s silly to lose faith in the team this early.

      • Aloha Jamie,
        I was concerned coming into the season about our defense. and i still am. Last night was embarrassing, and there was no excuse for it. Even big game James ripped them on air. he is usually more diplomatic then that. That said, we havent had the oppurtunity to see what this defense will eventually look like. Nunn has a defensive reputation and he was receiving rave reviews in training camp. Of course Trevor is a solid denfender. while THT was also looking very good on the defensive side. i will reserve my judgement until after we get those guys back. probably wont see much of Rondo, once Nunn returns. and i doubt you will see Melo in crunch time when we need stops once we get guys back. one could make an argument that 4 of our 6 best defenders were out. i wasnt one of those guys predicting a 19 and 2 start. I knew it would take a while.

        • Yeah, it’s going to take more than a little time. Just a question of how long. If it’s the whole 2 months that Ariza is out for…that could be too long. If it’s in the coming weeks and we get a couple guys back and the fit right in and contribute at a high level…different story and it’s impossible to say which way things will go. More losses like last night though and it won’t matter who is play where and when: changes of some sort will be made.

      • 1) 2 words: Mike Brown. If this continues into game 7-10ish, Frank will be bye-bye.

        2) Agreed, but that’s life in the NBA. If you can’t adapt and figure out a way to win then someone will be brought in to replace you.

        3) I think there are a lot of issues with this team, being one comprised of vets and already having Russ tossed over what was decidedly not an “in your face” showing and Dwight and AD literally WWEing on the bench coupled with everything else is a red flag, to me.

        4) I don’t lose faith, I don’t really deal in faith. Life is a “prove it to me affair” what you did once is awesome. Now go do it again, and a again and so on. So, with that in mind, the Lakers need to prove it. They have won 2 games and have yet to hold an opponent under 115 points in any game they’ve played since assembling. While this wasn’t supposed to be a defensive juggernaut it also wasn’t supposed to be Matador Training School for Beginners. The 36 year old Ariza is not the solution i and of himself. Right now I feel like I can count on Kent and AD and that’s about it on D. So, even if this isn’t a huge issue in the regular season (I still see us making the playoffs, after all) it does mean we will be outted quickly if this is the best they can muster. So far, this is the very best they can muster and it isn’t anywhere near enough.

      • Also in regards to this: I’m always amazed at how glass-half-empty people totally lose perspective whenever early troubles hit their sports team or political candidates. They become veritable Chicken Littles, pimping how they were right last season when their predictions of disaster came true while ignoring how many times their crying ‘Fire’ on the blog turned out to be false alarms two years ago when we won our 17th NBA championship.

        I vividly recall an early season podcast last season where I brought up turnovers and you said something essentially like this only to see you come around and by season’s end be harping on the turnovers. So, it’s not about “pimping” my brain and it’s ability to discern patterns it’s the fact that that, and these, patterns are so very easy to discern. Frankly, I’d rather be wrong if I’m honest even though it is fun to be right. No Lakers fan should want to be right about the current state of the team. I would very much like to see Russ succeed in the purple and gold because he’s one of my favorite players to watch play. So far, they’re not proving they can make this work and until they do, well, this is reality baby and not rose-colored dreamland.

        • And, in the spirit of pimping my big old brain, I also vividly recall a discussion with a co-worker in which he told me that there was no way Trump would win the GOP nomination and I told him that he wasn’t just wrong about that but that he was going to be surprised when he saw how close it could be between Trump and whomever the DNC nominated.

          Never underestimate the power of hate and resentment, it drives people almost as much as the desire for money and success. Sad, but true.

        • I’ve always believed I would rather be wrong about my criticism and have the Lakers win than be right and have them lose. Nothing wrong with stating your opinion. Just have to be man enough to take the heat for your position, admit when you’re wrong, and don’t be an ass when you’re right.

          Regardless of GHE, you , Sean, and Gerald have always met those other criteria so I don’t really have a problem with it. Just find it laughingly funny and predictable. So blog on and we’ll see who’s right in the end; cancer or championship?

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    5 Things: Lakers outlast pesky Spurs in OT

    It’s no secret that the Lakers are figuring this out on the go. Already behind the 8 ball a bit due to new faces, injuries and with Frank introducing a new offense the Lakers haven’t looked like a team with championship aspirations out of the gate. It’s games like the one last night that we need to win, regardless of how it happens. With the easier part of our schedule coming over the next couple of weeks the Lakers would do themselves a big favor by feasting on some of the bottom-feeding teams they’re slated to play. Lose those games and you could put yourself in the unenviable situation of having to fight uphill for lower seeding. Win, keep pace with the west, all while improving and you set yourself up to be a top four seed. This is our chance to get off on the good foot after a rough start, time to seize the moment.

    1. Anthony Davis playing large. Davis did a lot more damage inside, had a phenomenal game on the glass and was a presence on defense with 4 blocks. With LeBron sitting out to manage a sore leg after another collision the Lakers needed their other two superstars to step up and help bring home the win. That box got checked in a big way last night. After the 3rd quarter it looked like LA was going to squander a winnable game as a result of defensive breakdowns and poor execution. AD was everywhere in the 4th quarter and OT, grabbing boards and playing big. While he missed all his three pointers in the game I’d prefer AD to be dominant in the paint where we need him to be a consistent force. Even when LeBron comes back I feel like the Lakers are at their best when they play through AD and force the other team to contend with his size, skills and talent. When he plays in the shadows we’re a weaker team.
    2. Russell Westbrook finding his way. Small surprise that Westbrook asserted himself with LeBron out, it’s that exact kind of situation that Russell thrives in: ball in his hands, big man screening and presenting a lob target and the defense having to choose. #0 uncorked some vintage moves in the paint last night and was a force equal to Anthony Davis and had it not been for some of the shots he set up not going in it’s likely he would have had a triple-double last night. On a ight where we needed every possession to be a good one Westbrook also had one of his better games thus far in regards to taking care of the ball. 3 turnovers is quite livable when it comes to a guy like Russ. In a game where we needed another high wattage player to get us over the hump, Westbrook delivered.
    3. Here one game, gone the next. The Laker bench, which was such a strength in our first win, was almost non-existent last night. At least in terms of scoring. Carmelo couldn’t throw it in the ocean, Reaves and Rondo struggled defensively and Monk was pressed into starter duty (at which he excelled, more on that later). Of the 4 guys who came off the bench only Dwight had a positive impact and it would seem the on-court dust up was enough for him to get back focused and contributing in a positive way. Where they did show some mettle was on the glass and that’s a good thing. The Lakers have been getting out-rebounded which, for a team that starts DeAndre Jordan and grants Dwight Howard major minutes alongside AD and with superlative rebounder Westbrook in the fold, is unfathomable.
    4. Austin Reaves had a great growing pains game. While Austin got lost on more than a few pick and roll coverages (and he wasn’t alone, either, as a team the Lakers are really struggling out of the gate defending simple pick and rolls) he was our most efficient three point shooter and got major minutes. The quicker we can get some of the younger guys like Reaves, Monk and Nunn acclimated into our system and how we want to defend P&R actions, where their shots are going to come from and how to fit in alongside three superlative NBA talents the better. While Reaves isn’t likely to make fans forget the impact of Alex Caruso any time soon he has a chance to forge his own “gritty glue guy” legend in his own way.
    5. Malik Monk had his best game as a Laker. While he didn’t have the most efficient game Monk was huge in that he kept the pressure on with his outside shooting helping keep the middle of the floor open for Westbrook to attack the rim. Monk is basically playing for his next deal which, because of how the CBA works, all but assures it won’t be as a Laker. Still, Monk can up his value by contributing in the exact way he did last night. We have a lot of guys that fit this mold and may be one year showcases on the most popular team in sport. Since there are so many guys on minimum deals it limits what we can offer them this summer to stay and, should a better deal come along it’s all but certain they’ll take it. Still, a legacy can be formed in a single season and if Monk can show he’s up to the task the big deal he didn’t see this season may be out there next summer.

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    • Great fiver, Jamie. Always a struggle to finish an article when there are back-to-back games. Appreciate the effort.

      1) AD playing large. Elite defense and 10 of 12 makes in the restricted area. Davis dominated at both ends of the court. Looking like early season candidate for DPOY with his elite blocks and steals. This may finally be the year AD takes the baton from LeBron. At any rate, AD did his part in the Lakers figuring out how to win without LeBron. I agree with you that we need AD to be a force down low more than a 3-point shooter, although I like him taking 5 threes per game.

      2) Russ finding his way. This is why I’ve pushed for the Lakers to add a third superstar. Even if that superstar is flawed in some ways like Russ, the ability to have two superstars on the court when LeBron is on the bench or taking a game off due to injury cannot be underestimated. It’s the key to Lakers winning the championship. Winning the non-LeBron minutes is going to transform this team.

      3) Lakers’ bench comes up short. Part of why the bench didn’t have the impact they did the previous game is Carmelo only scored 4 points and Malik Monk started the game instead of coming off the bench. Also, we’re still missing four players who were going to be in our rotation. We’ll have to struggle with the rotations until we get healthy or make a trade at midseason.

      4) Austin Reaves played over 30 minutes, quite a vote of confidence from Frank Vogel for the undrafted heir to Alex Caruso’s Lakers BENCH GOAT title. Hit 2 of 4 from deep, played excellent defense, and continued to show he belongs. What hurt Reaves’ plus/minus is he was on the floor when the Spurs took over the game in the third quarter, which hurt his plus/minus. Overall, another good game by Austin.

      5) Malik Monk got only his second start in five years in the Association and made the most of it, scoring 17 points, including 4 of 10 from deep, including a 31-foot splashing three with about a minute left in the fourth quarter that was almost the Lakers’ game winner. Monk also dished out three assists and showed he could put the ball on the floor and attack the rim with his floater. Great game. Looking forward to Melo and Monk lighting it up from the bench.

    • Nice 5 Jamie. If AD plays even close to that all year he will definitely be an MVP candidate and DPY winner.

      Monk was great, his offense was nice but he played good defense as well. I’m mean he was +31 and the team was -27 without him. All is not lost with Monk. If Russ were to opt out of his contract like C3P to negotiate a longer deal. We could have up to 21 mil in cap space if Nunn also opts out, which he probably will. Now I’m not sure on this but I believe we could sign Monk before resigning Russ. Now we may have denounce Russ’s bird rights but I doubt they will be offering him 50 mil a year anyway. Somewhere in the 35 mil range over 3 or 4 years.

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    5 Things: Lakers bench rises to the challenge in win over Memphis

    There it is, the first of what should be many more wins for this iteration of the Lakers. The Lakers gutted out a gritty win over the Grizzlies from Memphis and in the doing quieted some of the chatter surrounding the cohesion, chemistry and composition of the team. While the issues that were troubling remain so (points in the paint, defense without fouling, turnovers) the Lakers, as a team, were able to overcome those and bring home win #1.

    1. What a game by Carmelo Anthony! On a night he passed Moses Malone on the All Time scoring list to move into the #9 slot Carmelo also sealed the win with a couple of free throws and paced the team in scoring with 28 points. There will be nights where Melo won’t be able to throw it in the ocean and not be up to the task on defense. But then there will also be glorious nights like last night where you just think it’s going in when it leaves his hands. We needed every one of those highly efficient 28 points to overcome Ja and the pesky Grizzlies. Anthony went a superb 10-15 from the floor, 6-8 from three and chipped in 3 boards, 2 blocks and an assist and a steal leading a stellar effort in general from the Lakers bench.
    2. Malik Monk had a solid bounce-back effort. Monk is fighting to prove he should stick in the rotation when some guys get back healthy. Frank went with a shorter, 10 man rotation last night and Monk featured prominently in minutes that had been going to Rondo. He did well on both ends and shot well from beyond the arc. His 4 assists were a boon and were a big part of the benches success last night as the second unit did a great job moving the ball and not letting the rock stick. Malik did pretty well on defense which is where he needs to prove he can contribute consistently if he wants a prominent role.
    3. Austin Reaves continues to impress. It’s getting harder and harder to come up with reasons as to why Frank doesn’t play Reaves more. While he will certainly go through some growing pains, especially on defense, it makes sense for the Lakers to get through those as early as possible because the kid has what it takes to be a force in the NBA. Maybe not an All-Star, but certainly a key cog on a team with banner expectations. In just 18 minutes Reaves played some decent defense and kept the ball moving by finding the open man for 3 dimes. Again, as with Monk, it’s the defensive end which will determine the extent of his role but the intangibles Austin brings are already having an impact.
    4. The starters are still struggling. Not one starter logged a positive +/- in what has become a fairly consistent pattern thus far. I’m sure there are metrics and measurements Frank and his staff use that allow them to justify this starting group but from my perspective it’s not working very well. I’m guessing this is pretty much set in stone at this point, barring injury, though. Frank is not one for changing things up, likes a set look and adapts to things in-game. While we could go on and on discussing the pros and cons of that approach it is the way things are run at this point. Therefor the best we can hope for, as fans, is that Frank, LeBron, Russ and AD can figure out how to make it work with DeAndre Jordan to start halves. I’m not thinking that there is anything else to hope for.
    5. While getting that first win was great the issues that are worrisome remain. We gave up an astonishing 62 points in the paint, got out-rebounded 49-36 and allowed the Grizzlies to shoot 53% overall. We were a Ja Morant missed free throw away from OT and who knows what happens then. It would appear it doesn’t mater which player plays at the five, we can’t stop anyone at the rim and teams are feasting on easy shots against us. They’re also killing us on the glass. If we want to reach our goals that area needs to improve as we’ll lose more games than not if that trend becomes the status quo.

    Fun fact, I happened to be at the Forum last night to see Phish and it’s always nice to be back in that building. We’re going to need a little old school LA magic for this to come together quickly and the quicker it does the more we can get around to the business of seeing what this team is really capable of. I think it will happen but the defining question of our season is when. When can this group put it all together on both ends consistently? We have a nice stretch of games coming up that feature teams we ought to beat. We pick up a couple wins, improve our defense and cohesion in the doing, and things should start to look up. While it is just one win, as the first two games were only two games, maybe this will be the thing that helps to start bringing it all together. We get another chance tomorrow night. Go Lakers.

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    • Glad you’re on the mend Buba! It’s all good man, people do what they do and we carry on. Wrinkles indeed but I agree, the biggest question is the amount of time and where we’ll be in the standings when it all really comes together.

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    What amount of leash does Vogel have? 0-5? 4-10? 2-7? We’ve lost to 2 teams that have their whole core returning from last season. Sunday is Memphis, same situation : key cogs return, playoff team, All Star PG. Then San Antonio which is the the first game I have us winning (1-3 start). If we’re not at .500 after 10 games I think Frank could be in some real hot water.

    Thoughts?

    Question for the blog

    What amount of leash does Vogel have? 0-5? 4-10? 2-7? We’ve lost to 2 teams that have their whole core returning from last season. Sunday is Memphis, same situation : key cogs return, playoff team, All Star PG. Then San Antonio which is the the first game I have us winning (1-3 start). If we’re not at .500 after 10 games I think Frank could be in some real hot water.

    Thoughts?

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    • I’m not sure. I think we win some of the upcoming games. They received serious servings of humble pie. If they bring that same 4th quarter energy as last night they are going to win a few. It might be ugly but they will win. I think it was a mistake not playing our stars together much in the preseason. They obviously didn’t get enough game time together. We were not ready for 2 of the best teams in the league out of the gate. Hopefully we can stay afloat while we wait for some of our other guys to get back. I’m reminded of the Heats first season with their new big 3. They lost a lot of games and had a losing record for awhile. So it does take time, especially when you have 11 new faces. I really wished that had kept Alex and Morris for a little more continuity. As well as energy and defense.

      • I want to say the Heat were 8-8 when they basically gave the ball to LeBron and got out of his way. That was over a decade ago, though…

        Agreed on Caruso and Morris. Re-acquiring Bradley is nice but he didn’t play in the Bubble, didn’t get forged in the same fire.

    • That sounds and feels about right. Frank got the “Hey, thanks for that 17th banner guy!” 1 year extension, that’s not job security. Really, in pro sport, coach takes the fall first almost always. Especially since they Fizzy in the wings now. If you thought the offense was bad before…lol

      2-4 when we’re already 0-2 means something like this:

      GSW – L
      PS – L
      Memphis Grizz – calling an L
      Spurs – calling this the first W but you know Pop will have an expensive Bordeaux in everyone’s locker if they win so…
      Thunder – W (they WANT to lose, lol…not sure what that long term vision is OK…)
      Cavs – L which would kinda be the shocker

      After that we got a back-to-back vs. Houston and another one against the Thunder. If we’re not at .500, or better, after that the knives will come out and the fire under the spit will be lit.

      However, the one thing you really want to avoid is “new ideas mid season guy” so the new coach will be either Phil or Fizzy. Does Phil want to be that guy? Can he be that guy? Not gonna lie, I think I’d rather see Handy than anyone else on the bench.

      (Jeannie Buss: “What’s Phil’s home number in Montana again…”)

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    5 Things: Lakers bumpy start turns rocky, fall to Suns

    Thanks for the fiver, Jamie. It pretty much sums up everything that went on in the game.

    The game against Phoenix was the worst Lakers game I have ever watched. It goes without saying, that is why the preseason is very important in building chemistry. Our stars were left out of the lineups in the preseason instead of trying to integrate every one in the early going. It should have been known to everyone that a team with so many new parts need more than just the first week of the season to get started. The preseason should be treated as ” we need the preseason” instead of “the preseason needs us.”

    The loses to the Warriors and the Suns shouldn’t come as a surprise. Those teams already have built-in cohesion and continuity, and to think you are going to use them to prepare yourself at the start of the season, you are literally acting like drunkard begging for a knock out punch which is exactly what they got. The Lakers were completely punch drunk in these two defeats.

    There is hope with these Lakers team, and I mean a lot of it. They just need time to get this chemistry issue taken care of. There are 79 games to go for the season and this team will eventually explode in every team’s face. I like how they grind out the win against the Grizzlies. There will be more games like this as we go on.

    Just like the super team of the Miami Heat that went 9-8 to start the season, this Lakers team has the potential to eventually embark on harassing and tearing up teams as if they were asking for every team to hand in their resignations or else they will be smothered. This team will come alive at some point and it wont be good for many teams.

    There are a lot of wrinkles that need to be ironed out in terms of rotations and substitution patterns before the team reaches its potential, but we will get there.

    Finally, I want to thank everyone for the contributions to the blog.
    By the way, I am still recovering from my shoulder replacement surgery. So I am having difficulty typing with my left hand. That is why I have not been commenting that much.

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    • Aloha Jamie, great post. I agree with everything you said. I nearly turned off the game to watch Dune after the 3rd quarter. I’m glad I didn’t. I saw some signs of life in the 4th. The question that popped into my mind was, where was this energy in the 2nd and 3rd quarters? They played with a sense of desperation for the first time this year. We need that kind of effort all game. We are thin right now but when we get more bodies back we have the depth to play all out, all the time. One of the biggest disappointments for me was that they let the truly awful officiating get in their heads. This is a veteran group and that should never happen.

      Like everyone I believe AD should play at the 5 against most line ups. And I was thinking that the only time one of the other centers should see the floor was when AD rested. Now I’m wondering if we should see them even then. The stretch with Lebron at the 5 was one of the most impressive stretches in the game. I could imagine how that would look when we get our other guys back.

      You are right that the defense sucks, big time. I am encouraged by the guys that we will be eventually be getting back. Ariza is a very good defender and both THT and Nunn were both impressing the staff defensively before they were hurt. Still there is too much remaining talent to look this bad. I agree that Reeves impressed. At some point the league will have a book on him and we will see how he adjusts to that. Until then, we should take full advantage of him.

      We fortunately have a stretch of lesser teams but unless we ramp up the intensity and begin to figure it out, every team in the league will be a challenge.

      • Its saying something that the one guy who plays with any kind if fire within the system paradigms is a rookie looking to stick. I had hoped that the collection if vets which haven’t won a ring would play with similar fire but I ain’t seen it yet.

    • Yup, shades of Mike Brown rearing their heads. Also was the last time we brought an All Star PG on board…

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    Carving up the Clippers like a Thanksgiving turkey that owes them money. I have the Warriors pegged as a top 6 seed and that may have been an under-sell…looking like world beaters right now.

    Warriors playing with knives out

    Carving up the Clippers like a Thanksgiving turkey that owes them money. I have the Warriors pegged as a top 6 seed and that may have been an under-sell…looking like world beaters right now.

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    • Clips turned it around to end the half but if Kerr has a halftime adjustment speech like he did against us this thing isn’t going to be interesting for much longer. Bledsoe playing like this could be huge for the Clippers, hasn’t found a coach who could unlock him next to high talent players, yet, and if Ty can do it they can hold their own until KL gets back.

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    Nunn out a couple weeks with a bine bruise in his right knee.

    Man...

    Nunn out a couple weeks with a bine bruise in his right knee.

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    5 Things: Warriors spoil Lakers opener

    The balanced and cohesive Golden State Warriors proved to be too large a load for the Lakers as the home team fell to the visitors 121-114. The Warriors are returning the majority of a core that surprised some but came up just short of making the playoffs last season as they lost both of their play-in games and failed to qualify. They looked a lot more like a playoff team last night than we did but, take heart, it’s still early in the season and great things take time and effort. Still, the road to greatness will likely be filled with potholes and landmines so buckle up.

    1. The Grind. I’m not talking about the regular season, which is indeed another kind of grind. I’m talking about the length of time a process like this takes to come to fruition. When the Lakers traded for Westbrook they assured themselves of one thing: that the gelling process would be a major aspect of the regular season. Whenever multiple, ball-dominant, All-Star/HOFers are on the same team the question arises and it arises quickly: who will be the lead dog? Generally talent wins out in that debate and it should here, as well. LeBron James is still the best and most complete basketball player on planet Earth, thus, he should and needs to be the lead dog in order for the Lakers to attain their goals. The question raged all summer as to which Laker ought to change their game to accommodate the team best. Frank Vogel answered that question in his post game comments when he labeled Westbrook as both the new guy and the one who had the most to catch up on as well as being the one to fit in. That reads correctly to me, Westbrook is almost beyond elite in the areas in which he excels but where he doesn’t excel he has middling impact. I believe Russ will get there but that it will take some time. The big question being ‘how much?’
    2. The Warriors bench kicked our benches butt. Warriors starters 66 points, Lakers 85 points. Dubs bench 55, Lakers bench 29. The legendary Stu Lantz has a pre-game segment called Stu’s Views and he often has a View called ‘No New Stars’. That would have applied to last night’s game as we saw guys like NeManja Bjelica, Damion Lee, and old man Andre Iguodala all score in double-digits. Of the three I felt like Bjelica did the most damage as he often out-fought Davis, Howard or anyone else that tried to grab a rebound when he was nearby. Can’t let guys like that beat you. Injuries have affected the composition and rotation of the Laker bench but the bottom line is when you are called upon you gotta go out and deliver.
    3. Playing defense without fouling. We sent the Warriors to the free throw line a staggering 30 times and they made 25 of them. Now, while a point could certainly be made that they made more free throws than we took (19) we didn’t do ourselves many favors by missing 10 of those freebies, with Anthony Davis shooting a disturbing 2-7 from the free throw line. AD needs to be better, he struggled from the line last season, too, but doesn’t have the quick turnaround excuse handy any longer. We won’t get where we want to go shooting 47% from the free throw line. Can we do a better job of getting to the line more? Not really, that kind of thing ebbs and flows throughout the season based on the refs (which weren’t great last night, especially the travelling call on Russ that could be called on any guard in the NBA all game long). Can we do a better job of playing defense without fouling? Absolutely.
    4. Hey, that’s Avery Bradley! Dude almost came in and helped swing the win our way with no preseason, no camp, and not much time to even say hello to the new squad. AB was one of the guys I felt like got away to our detriment after the Bubble Banner and I, for one, am happy he is back. Knows our defense, can run an offense and is class A dude. Welcome back, Avery.
    5. TIME TO HIT THE PANIC BUTTON!!!!!! Well, not yet, while the same trends that had been disturbing continued from the preseason into last night I did see enough improvement, especially in the first half, that gives me a lot of hope for the future of this team. The things I’m not fond of are seeing Russ and Rondo share the floor. Rondo will dominate the ball and we need Russ to get time with the ball in his hands, some shooters and a screener for him to get comfy. Put Bradley on the floor for those minutes and save Rondo for his best season: the playoffs. Same goes for DeAndre Jordan as a starter. “The Stein newsletter be damned!” says Frank and while I agree that there a small number of compelling reasons to start off with a traditional big man it shouldn’t be DAJ. You’re not doing him any favors playing him only 13 minutes, basketball is a game of rhythm and no player will get into a groove barely playing, better to give those minutes to Dwight or Melo. Malik Monk needs to see the floor more, as well, especially since he’s healthy. Maybe they were easing him back, I didn’t hear that but it seems logical. Regardless, it can’t be all old guys; we need some youth.

    All in all, I had this pegged as a loss and there it is. I didn’t like a single thing about our 4th quarter except Avery Bradley. Too many lazy threes when we just needed to score points of any kind (too many threes in general). We started the 4th down 85-83 and came out and missed several threes as the shot clock wound down, another bad carryover from last season where we fiddle seconds away while Rome burns. The turnovers were OK, still a lot of unforced turnovers which is maddening. NBA playoff rematch on Friday, might be a rough start to the season, I need to see Phoenix/Denver tonight before I form an opinion but if you asked me now I’m seeing another loss on Friday while we continue to integrate.

    Go Lakers.

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    • Good fiver although a little more pessimistic than necessary, Jamie. I rewatched the first half of the game and are now much higher on what we saw from the Lakers defensively in the first half, from LeBron and AD, and in the fourth quarter from Avery.

      If we play the way we played in the first half, we can beat any team. Our defense and offense were spot on. In fact, every Laker who played had a positive Net Rating except for Russ, who was -9.3 for the first half. First half Lakers stars were Kent with a net rating of 26.3, LeBron at 26.2, Melo at 16.9, and DeAndre at 13.3.

      So what happened in the second half? To start with Frank started to give more minutes to poor defenders. In the second half, only Bazemore and Bradlay avoided having negative net ratings. LeBron went to -31, Melo to -40, Russ to -43.1, Malik to -509, and Dwight to a remarkable -123.2, the biggest negative net rating I’ve ever seen.

      While I though DeAndre did fine starting, I would like to see more minutes used for defenders like Bradley than for dinosaurs like DeAndre. We spent over half the game with a low post big taking a spot a shooter should have had. We got as total of 7 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 blocks, 1 steal, and 5 turnovers in a combined 25.7 minutes. DeAndre should be a DNP while Dwight plays around 12 minutes.

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    5 Things: So it begins...

    We’re here, the day when all the theories become practice, where the paper team takes the floor in the flesh, and when the game start counting. Tonight the Lakers face the Golden State Warriors but the real question a lot of Lakers fans want answered don’t stem from whom the Lakers are playing but rather whom the Lakers are playing at what positions and when. While opinions and notions fly around the internet only one man’s thoughts matter on this and that man is Frank Paul Vogel.

    1. Will AD start or at least play the majority of his minutes at the center position? I think so, but it’s a slight majority. While some took the now legendary Marc Stein newsletter as gospel for the the future, I took it as a theoretical blueprint or framework for how the playoff version of the Lakers will look. I still am of the opinion that, no matter what AD or LeBron says/thinks, Frank trots out his regular season line ups with an eye towards reducing the physical toll and load so as to better save their legs for when the games take on a whole new meaning. With the Warriors on the schedule and seeing Looney in the line up for the Dubs it throws the door open wide for Frank to counter with DeAndre Jordan to start. In terms of a purely strategic discussion there are some valid points on starting DeAndre or Dwight, my preference is Dwight but Vogel’s on record saying he wants Dwight to abuse second stringers like he did for us 2 seasons ago. First off is foul trouble, because we are limited in the size department (long, but not big…not the same thing and both have their uses) keeping AD out of foul trouble is vital. Being forced to play Jordan or Dwight major minutes is not a recipe for success. The other point I consider valid is Ad’s off-ball defensive chops, which are elite. He has excelled as the weak side shot-blocker and being able to rotate around on the perimeter knowing that there is a viable shot blocker behind him. These points don’t overcome the positives that AD at the 5 bring to the table overall, but knowing Frank’s penchant for the defensive side they loom larger.
    2. The Lakers didn’t complete the ultimate goal of preseason: get through it healthy. We’re all sorts of banged up with, as of now, THT, Trevor Ariza and Wayne Ellington listed as being out and Kendrick Nunn and Malik Monk are listed as day-to-day. While those names don’t shake the Earth like LeBron James, Russell Westbrook and Anthony Davis do for a Lakers team that added 9 new faces and overhauled it’s offensive approach missing anyone who figured on being a key part of the rotation is a fairly large obstacle. It didn’t take a genius to see that during preseason the Lakers weren’t just getting acclimated to each other but also to a new way of doing things. This was later confirmed by the coaches when it was revealed the Lakers overhauled their offensive system (which wasn’t much to speak of). Further complicating things for the Lakers dream scenario of seeing more AD at the 5 are the injuries to THT and Ariza both of whom can guard a size up when called upon. With no other real power forwards on the team except for Lebron or Melo the Lakers lack mobile big bodies to deploy to shore up these missing players.
    3. The Lakers brought in a lot of three point specialists, they’re making about the same amount of three so far and the team is taking about as many as they did last year. Like a lot of the lofty notions bandied about I didn’t buy into the “we need to up our volume of 3 point FGA!!!!” one much, either. If we shoot 30-35 three pointers/game I’ll be fine with that volume of attempts, we’re a team designed to excel in transition and in the paint. It would be worrying to me if we averaged more than 40 three point attempts/game as it would likely mean we’re settling or unable to generate off-ball action. I continue to think we need to work on how we generate higher quality three point looks. Solely relying on Russ or LeBron to set them up with paint attacks is fine, it’s worked for both guys for a long time. But I think the guys we brought in also have unique and individual ways they can get that shot off and, for some of them, especially out of time outs. This may have already occurred, we haven’t seen us in a situation yet where we needed a three off an inbounds play and Frank wouldn’t tip his hand yet, either. The quality of the shots still has a lot of room to improve, in my opinion, if they’re falling on a given night then take more.
    4. The new faces are acclimating OK. I have a lot of mixed reviews about all of the new guys. It’s safe to say they’ve all had a good showing, a clunker and a game where they had very little impact. The age of our bench is a worry and it didn’t get younger with the addition of old newcomer Avery Bradley, although I am a big fan of his overall impact to our team defense. In preseason we saw the on and off versions of all the key role-players and the “off” side is kind of frightening. It looks like a matador on defense and a bad shot on offense. It has no cohesion or identity as it usually occurs when Russ is on the floor and LeBron is on the bench. Russ has the most to integrate of any of the guys on the team and it showed in preseason. My hope is that in 10, maybe 15, games Russ will have it in his head where the ball needs to go when he passes it and the other guys will know to be in that spot. Too many completely unforced turnovers sunk us both last season and in the preseason and a lot of that is on LeBron and Russ as they are the primary initiators. If we can weather an early storm of sloppiness and be a couple games over .500 10 to 15 games in I think we’ll start to see a whole new look and get a more complete vibe from this squad.
    5. “What about tonight’s game, don’t you even care Jamie?!?!?!” Yes, yes I do and I have it penciled in as an L. Steph and the Warriors look like they are in mid-season form, Jordan Poole is breaking out in a different way every night, and they’re ready to start winning basketball games right now. We still have as many questions as we did at the beginning of camp. So, with that in mind, I see us letting a close game get out of reach with some late-game defensive miscues that will make for some great fil sessions for the team to learn from and improve on. Our training camp is extended for another month, the rest of the NBA just doesn’t really care. At any rate, I still see this squad as 3ish seed with a top ten defense and top 15 offense. We just need to keep up with the pack until these guys can find some cohesion and put it all together…together.

      Go Lakers.

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    5 Things: The Others

    Last season the Lakers scored 109.5 points per game. LeBron James scored 25 ppg, Russell Westbrook 22.2 and Anthony Davis scored 21.8 which would, when totaled, add up to the tidy sum of 69 ppg over the course of an NBA season. By my math that means we have to account for account 40 more points to bring us up to the scoring potential of last season’s team. Let’s just say that the 3 superstars above will be able to replicate their performance from last season, that they will score roughly the same amount of points despite there being more players of gravity on their squad than last season. Where will those other 40 (or hopefully more) points come from?
    The Others.

    1. The Other guards. Much has been made of the shot-making potential of the guys we brought in this offseason. Much like last season, really. The Lakers last season brought in guys coming off career seasons from three (Schroder, Wes Matthews) a stretch 5 (Gasol) and saw decent marks from returns KCP and Alex Caruso in terms of efficiency. This season we brought in Kendrick Nunn, Malik Monk and professional shooter Wayne Ellington along with the trade for Russell Westbrook to shore up the guard position. With Russ we got instant intensity and the ability to get to the rim or out on the break. In Nunn and Monk we got guys who have shown themselves to be decent three point shooters albeit in a small sample size. Wayne Ellington is the only proven commodity among the three when it comes to scoring from the outside and his inside game is nascent, at best. As a trio, Nunn, Monk and Ellington averaged 35.9 ppg on teams where they had defined roles. If they can come anything close to that as Lakers our offense will look great. Coupled with the 69 ppg we hope to get from the Trio if they manage, as a group, to average 30 ppg (accounting for fewer minutes since they won’t all be playing 20+mpg every game) that would get us right about to where we stood last season. I don’t think it likely as at least one of those three will be fighting for minutes and you can expect there to be a fairly sizable dip in production for at least one, if not all, of our guards. They each averaged 20+ minutes per game (Nunn at 29 mpg stands to see the biggest decrease). If one slots THT as a guard those numbers from those three will take a bigger hit and put more pressure on the 20 year-old Talen to show off an improved jump shot, or a floater, or something to up his efficiency. In short, I expect the guards to average fewer points than they collectively put up last season. One of the reasons being the flow/super-star driven nature of the Frank Vogel “offense”. The Lakers, as a team, really don’t know where their shots are coming from. For guys like Ellington that’s a killer, professional shooters like Wayne seem to function better when they know where the butter for their bread is coming from. Can the opposite prove true? Of course. Time will tell which way this breaks. Oh yeah, Rajon Rondo. I don’t expect him to play much, I think he’ll be this team’s better version of Jared Dudley. Seeing as he averaged 5.4 ppg last season I’ll be happy if he’s not hurt, racking up some dimes and hitting a couple shots a game. Not offense saving stuff.

      Prediction: 25 PPG averaged between the 3, 35 if THT mostly plays at the 2.
    2. The Other forwards. We added some big names to the forward spots and, to a man, they’re all getting up there in age for the NBA. Combo guard/forward Talen Horton Tucker goes a long way towards reducing the cumulative age of the forwards on our team at 20 but after that the youngest one is Kent Bazemore at 32. Ariza is next at at 36 and not far behind him is Carmelo Anthony. This trio averaged 30 ppg last season but where I take some hope is that they each are reprising roughly the same role just on a different team. Here again a breakout season from Taken Horton-Tucker could really boost the forward’s scoring fortunes if he can either simply improve upon what he was able to accomplish last season or show us all a little something new. The minutes here will also be impacted by how much LeBron plays at the 4 and so, until we get a better sense of how that will factor in (since, as of preseason game 1, we saw AD at the 4 and LBJ theoretically would have played at the 3) so, depending on Frank’s rotations, one of these guys could essentially sit out every game or so. My theory is Trevor will start on the IL, let him really ease his way into the season. He’s battled several injuries over the last few seasons and I think we’d all rather see him effective in the playoffs rather than come out of the gates hot and fade. Bazemore and Melo ought to have fairly sizable and stable roles.

      Prediction: 20 ppg between the 3, 30 if THT mostly plays at the 3.
    3. The Other centers. or the only centers, depending on how Frank plays this thing out. The biggest storyline of the Lakers offseason is easily the news that AD is willing to play more (when he talks sounds like a lot more, when Frank talks it sounds like not to much) center. How that shakes out will affect the other line ups on down the roster. More AD at the 5 opens up more minutes for Melo at the 4 backing up LeBron when he either slides back to the 3 or even potentially seeing the return of Carmelo Anthony: starting NBA player. The more we rely on Dwight and DeAndre Jordan to score the worse our offense will look. Both are past their NBA primes, both averaged just over 7 PPG last season and neither has any range to their game. It’s dunks off of lobs and offensive put-backs or it’s nothing. OK, OK, the occasional Dwight Howard three-bomb. Point is, neither of these guys even has much of a traditional low post, back-to-the-basket old school game. They really do rely on the guard setting them up or crashing the glass. So, based on how many minutes AD takes away from this duo it’s hard for me to see even 10 ppg coming from the other Laker centers. If they come close to 15 we’ll have what appears to be an elite offense in the making. 5 more ppg from Dwight and DAJ doesn’t necessarily mean fewer shots for anyone else, just that they’re doing their jobs well providing a paint release for drives or cleaning the offensive glass.

      Prediction: 10 ppg…if we’re lucky.
    4. What about all the three point shooters we picked up? Frankly, I don’t see us transforming our offense or playing much differently than we did last season. We’re not going to lead the league in 3 point FGA, we’ll be in the top 1/3 most likely. We shot 32 three pointers/game last season, I don’t see that number going up too much. We hit 35.2% of those. If that could creep up over 37% it will help open up the paint a little bit but the honest truth is that, with LeBron and Russ handling the ball 90+% of the time, teams will dare us to make threes. They are not going to open up the paint for those guys to breeze to the rim from rim-rattling dunks or crowd-juicing lobs. It’s not going to happen no matter what kind of line up we trot out. The Lakers will need to prove that they can hit three pointers at a high clip to alter ay of the tried and true stratagems against Russ and The King.
    5. But won’t AD playing at the five make our offense better? In theory, yes. More Davis means less Dwight or DAJ and so that means a more dynamic offense. But AD likes to shoot inefficient step backs and off-balance twos. A lot. Couple that with Russ who is not a knockdown shooter and LeBron who can get hot from the outside but is far better at scoring in the paint and we have a lot of guys who like to play an older brand of basketball, which suits me fine, just that we’re seemingly built for a newer brand. That’s where Frank and his new extension come into play. While not relegating him to lame-duck status Rob didn’t cement his status as long-term future coach of the LA Lakers, either. Frank is going to need to show a little something more, especially on offense, than he has in seasons past.

      So, if you add up my predictions we seem to have the potential to score an amazing and near NBA record 124 ppg this season! Don’t bet on it, my predictions are based on feel and notion as much as anything else and we haven’t even seen the full team play, yet. It’s going to be hard for each group to hit my predictions simply because there likely won’t be enough shots to go around. For a little dose of reality we didn’t even crack the 100 point mark in our first pre-season game. For another dose of reality the top scoring teams in NBA history are all from before the 90s. In fact during this, the glorious offensive renaissance of basketball, no team from the 2000’s cracks the top 50 list except for two: The Milwaukee Bucks from last season and the season before. Yeah, that’s right, that misbegotten group of not the New Jersey Nets, or the high octane Mike D’Antoni Phoenix teams or the Shaq/Kobe Lakers are the only modern NBA team to crack the top 50 highest scoring teams in the regular season.

      That’s because they do it with defense as much as offense. Which is exactly what we better do. More on that point next time.

      Go Lakers.

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    • Excellent fiver, Jamie. We’ve missed your outstanding analysis and insights. It’s odd that most of us are in agreement with the way the roster has been constructed but are still wavering as to what Frank will do. Will he go all in and optimize the small ball lineup Rob has given him? Or will he try to mold it into something more recognizable from his previous coaching stints? That seems to be the big question. While I still have confidence that the AD at the five vision will happen (with Frank’s blessing because he knows AD has to play the five for us to win) holding strong except for the nagging worry that Frank might screw it up.

      I don’t think the Lakers will lead the league in offense or defense although they might lead the NBA in transition pace and efficiency. I do believe, howevrer, that the Lakers can be a top-5 team at both ends of the court. There’s a formula that I think the Lakers are going to follow with their lineups that basically says they will open and close games with all three superstars playing together and will try to have two superstars on the court at all times. I think Frank will want three plus defenders and at least two elite 3-point shooters on the court in each lineup. I think Bazemore and Ariza could very well close games and maybe Melo and Monk could start. Start with young guns. Finish with proven veterans.

      I do like that Frank wants to have a set starting lineup for the regular season. Chances are that lineup will be the Russ, Wayne, LeBron, Trevor, and AD lineup. It’s going to take more than a few preseason games and practices to change the pecking order of the players on their roster. Ellington is our best 3-point shooter. Monk our best 3-level scorer. Ariza our biggest wing defender. Bazemore our best guard defender. Melo the obvious 6th man.

      Sorry you’ll miss the podcast. Maybe you and Gerald can do a midnight flier to attach to our podcast. Great responses and comments from you to keep the blog humming though. Can’t wait for the season to actually start. I’m going to be traveling to San Diego starting tomorrow so I won’t be available for the podcast after Friday’s game but I know you’ll be there to keep Gerald and Sean in line. 🤣🤣🤣

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    “It’s just what type of balance are we going to have? And that’s still to be determined,” Vogel said. “I think the first year, it was a near 50-50 balance of him playing alongside another big at the four, and then him sliding to the five. Last year was more him playing the four with Marc and Drummond and Trez getting a lot of those minutes in there. I think we’re going to return to the first year’s balance. But he’ll play some four and some five.”

    -Coach Frank Vogel

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    “It’s just what type of balance are we going to have? And that’s still to be determined,” Vogel said. “I think the first year, it was a near 50-50 balance of him playing alongside another big at the four, and then him sliding to the five. Last year was more him playing the four with Marc and Drummond and Trez getting a lot of those minutes in there. I think we’re going to return to the first year’s balance. But he’ll play some four and some five.”

    -Coach Frank Vogel

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    • Keep trying to keep your dead dialog alive, Jamie.
      AD is going to start and end games at the five.
      You heard it here first. Time to start believing.

      • lol, I ain’t the coach LT. Frank said that, not me.

        24 mpg seems reasonable out of the gate. Gives 24 minutes to Dwight and hopefully DAJ is window-dressing this season, no offense to him or anything, just never moved my needle as a fan of the game.

        Come the playoffs, 34-36 mpg seems reasonable.

        So, unless Frank chooses not to start AD for some reason, I do expect him to start halves and finish the game at the 5. Other than that I imagine we’ll go bigger not smaller. Unless those line ups crater but I don’t see how, Russ has always had a lob man, LeBron loves a lob man, and we got ourselves three lob men.

        • I suspect AD will get the bulk of his minutes at the 5. At this point I don’t even think the coaching staff knows yet how those minutes will be distributed. How they rotate the big 3 will determine a lot of the minutes. AD is actually bigger then a majority of NBA starting centers. But there will be a few match ups where it will be advantageous for AD to play the 4. Giannis and the Bucks come to mind. Giannis simply over powered everyone in the playoffs. He won’t over power AD and LeBron, so tag teaming them on him makes sense. Embid and the Joker are the other 2 match ups that come to mind, although AD has held his own against the Joker.

          • I agree, Michael. I just don’t see Vogel playing DeAndre instead of a guard or wing who could have impact like Nunn, Bazemore, Monk, THT or Anthony. Lakers can’t play more than 11 players in any scheme. Don’t see Jordan, Rondo, or Reaves playing before the other eleven players.

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    Kyrie must not have talked to his Auntie recently, I was expecting the Kyrie version of the Zapruder film, a whole wall of colored strings and pins showing how the outbreak went down and a PowerPoint like the one Colin Powell took to the UN when Bush 2.0 was getting set to invade Iraq for no reason. Instead we got “I don’t want cause any hoopla”. Disappointing.

    Where that proof at?

    Kyrie must not have talked to his Auntie recently, I was expecting the Kyrie version of the Zapruder film, a whole wall of colored strings and pins showing how the outbreak went down and a PowerPoint like the one Colin Powell took to the UN when Bush 2.0 was getting set to invade Iraq for no reason. Instead we got “I don’t want cause any hoopla”. Disappointing.

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    Woj saying Rajon has agreed to a buyout and is likely to come back once he clears waivers. Might be Rob had a little bird whispering in his ear and let Duds walk. Still not sure why he couldn’t start his career as a coach here but Kidd did offer him a helluva position.

    Sounds like Rondo is returning

    Tom, I am going to subscribe this season. I like his articles a lot. By the way, what happened to Kevin Ding and Mark Medina?

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