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    5 Things: Lakers overwhelmed by Suns

    This should not have been a surprise. With so many players out, Carmelo getting tossed and the Suns rolling through the NBA this was, to me, an expected loss. The Lakers are who they are now in terms of being a team but dealing the amount of players out, including coach Vogel, meant this was a hill that would have to be climbed perfectly. That was something that did not happen. The themes surrounding the blowout are familiar ones.

    1. No interior defense worth mentioning. I mean…Melo and Rondo got a blocked shot apiece but none of our “centers” managed to block a shot or deter the Suns from burning us in the paint all night long. The 2 centers from the Suns, DeAndre Ayton and JaVale “looking pretty useful to my eyes” McGee abused the Lakers down low to the tune of 14-18 shooting combined for 29 points (Ayton got to shoot a free throw for the odd numbered tally), 22 rebounds (4 offensive rebounds with JaVale accounting for 3 of those) and a block. We had no answer for Ayton who feasted off of crisp passes from his teammates and abused whomever we slotted to defend him. The Lakers are simply too small to hang with a team like the Suns and, in general, suffer from an abysmal interior defense.
    2. A team versus a group of guys. The Lakers, to date, play more like a group of guys who showed up at the gym, picked sides and let it roll. The Suns look like an NBA team poised to challenge for the title. A lot of people wrote the Suns off last season they way they wrote the Heat off the previous season which, in my opinion, is a mistake. You do not reach the NBA Finals on luck alone or by accident. It takes a collection of talented individuals who play together well and with purpose. It’s not a fluke kind of thing to achieve. That teamwork was on full display last night as the Suns got what they wanted, when they wanted, how they wanted indicated by their 29 assists with every starter getting at least 1 dime and several bench players moving the rock efficiently, as well.
    3. The pace we want to play. There is a myth the Lakers want to play fast and loose. This has not been the case as we play kinda fast but not very loose. We run through 2 guys and one of them plays at a high pace and the other, well, notsomuch. Russ has frenetic frenzied aspect to his game that has worked for him his entire career. LeBron has a more controlled and at this point sometimes plodding aspect to his game which has also worked for him quite well up to this point. The problem is figuring out when and how to deploy which player’s skillset. Thus has been made more difficult with the injuries and games lost for a variety of reasons. If the Lakers want to get anywhere it is beyond imperative that they figure when to play fast, when to play methodically and maybe how to manage more than 15 fast break points for a team that’s supposed to be burning up the floor according to the coach and players.
    4. While we didn’t turn the Suns over a ton we did a great job turning those miscues into points. We punished the Suns in points off of turnovers, though not necessarily via the fast break. While it didn’t alter the complexion of the game in a meaningful way it was a bright spot.
    5. An overdue welcome back. Isaiah Thomas is back in the purple and gold. His first game back, his second game back was largely forgettable. He and the newly returned Talen Horton-Tucker went a combined 2-24. Just…wow…it’s incredible to imagine two players on the same team reaching almost the exact level of poor shooting. IT is a replacement player and we’d need to waive someone to keep him on the roster. I don’t really see the logic as we are already small, old and bad on defense. We need size and we need defense, desperately, IT checks almost zero boxes we need to check but does continue Rob’s theme of “old and slow but we really want play fast somehow” theme for the season. THT is basically our best tradeable contract but let’s be honest in regards to his value for a minute. It’s not high now and really never has been. He’s a solid player, not a future superstar just waiting for the right situation to come along. He can get hot from the outside but is not a shooter. He can score inside but isn’t a slasher. He can make plays for others but isn’t a playmaker. He is a good role player and, as such, we should expect the market for him to be about that high. You can attach Nunn or whomever you want to the deal but THT isn’t a sweetner or a haul for another team. He fills a role, could fill more than one because of his diverse skillset, and that should be the expected level of player we could potentially trade for him. I don’t see a trade as being too likely though for the reason LeBron voiced in regards to this team: we have no idea what it’s truly capable of because the team has barely played together. Not in camp, not in the regular season. basically the LBJ Vegas mini-camp was the only time the whole group of guys go together and could scrimmage or whatever they did together. We aren’t alone in that regard, many other teams have fared better against a stronger schedule facing similar obstacles. Our limitations go beyond a lack of chemistry and cohesion. There are physical obstacles (age and size) that I really don’t see a way to coach or game plan around. I also don’t see path to trade our way out of them as we’d likely be giving up whatever young players we do have for someone older but hopefully bigger and better at D.

    We got a winnable game on Thursday against the Spurs then it’s the traditional “Lakers on X-mas” where we tend to fall short. Doesn’t matter if it’s Kobe, Randle or The King the Lakers tend to lose on Christmas. The one thing to hope for is that we continue to tread water. We have yet to win more than 4 in a row and we have yet to lose more than 3 in a row. So, with the 3 game losing streak attained, here’s hoping we switch back to our winning ways and beat San Antonio and avoid a long losing streak which could well doom the season, even this early.

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    5 Things: The state of the Lakers as we close out 2021

    With the news that AD is out for a minimum of 4 weeks I thought it worthwhile to look at the overall state of the team rather than rehash the latest loss to the Bulls. In general, this season, like last, is being defined more by who isn’t playing rather than who is. Be it injury, COVID, wanting to be traded or anti-vaxx stances the players that haven’t played this season have garnered as many headlines as the ones who have suited up. All of this has impacted the Lakers in one way or another so let’s dig in. At least 2021 is at an end.

    1. The Lakerteers. Russ, AD, and LBJ have played 13 games as a unit and that trend of one or more of them missing will do nothing but continue due to AD’s knee injury. If we’re lucky he’ll be the only one that misses extended time but let’s face it: LeBron has entered a fairly injury-prone era of his career missing several games already due to various, and differing, injuries. Russ has been the most consistent of the three and his play has steadily improved. AD started strong but has really fallen off after lower leg injuries seemed to sap him of his ability to hit the outside shot that made him such a deadly player early in his career. He compensated by scoring inside more but with him being out for 4, or more, weeks what was already a small team got smaller. If LeBron and Russ can both stay on the floor, elevate the role-players to a decent level and share the ball properly I think we’ll stick in the 8-5 range of seeding but if they struggle to blend or the guys brought in to do a specific job don’t get it done we could see a Laker team loaded with HOF, top 75 All Timers, numerous All NBA this or that’s, MVPs, DPOY, ROY and so on have to play in to get to the playoffs.
    2. The role-players. There’s no way to sugar coat, the Laker struggle to find the right blend of role-players to slot in around AD and James. Adding Russ only seems to have exacerbated that issue which is just another reason it’s mystifying to me that we let Caruso, who had proven he could fit in on a team like this, walk. Regardless, what we have now is a collection of aged vets and young up and comers with the tilt leaning heavily on the aged-vet side. Gone are the elite role guys we saw in the Bubble like Green, Kuzma, KCP, Caruso, and locker-room stabilizer Jared Dudley. Much has been made out of who has left the building but we really need to figure out how to elevate the guys in it now because help is definitely not on the way. Unless you count G-Leaguers or over-seas vets earning a dime as help. I do not. IT has shown he can still score in addition to showing that he will never be a plus defender on any team in the NBA going forward. His lack of size and steps lost in addition to it never really being a strong aspect of his game means he will struggle. Why we chose IT over James Ennis, a SF, will be yet another mystifying aspect of this season. One that has seen Rob Pelinka consistently choose the older player who requires more of the ball and/or a VERY specific role for said players for them to be most effective. The Laker role-players have struggled a lot this season as they have lacked for exposure as to how our Big Three function which has trickled down to very uneven play across the board.
    3. COVID season 2.-uhm…no. The NBA will not be postponing anything unless the Federal government steps in and starts issuing shelter i place edicts or some such. There will be no Bubble playoffs, we will have travel and really the only question is to what degree do the NBPU and the NBA board of governors and owners disagree on vaxx mandates. If we continue to sieve players like we have been and we get what amounts to a replacement league season just without a lockout one has to imagine the topic of mandatory full vaccinations and boosters will at least get floated and looked at. Yes, there will be some hue and cry from the players but ultimately the things that they work for the most: the ability to earn money on the open market, legacies and rings, will win out. Sure, we might lose Kyrie for the season. But the latest tweak to both how replacement players affect the salary cap and the insistence that enough players be signed who can suit up rather than postponing a number of games or shutting down for a short time tells you all you need to know about the League’s stance on another semi-shut down: Hell no.
    4. Help on the way? Unlikely. because of injury, COVID, contract rigmarole and poor play in general it’s pretty safe to say the Lakers do not have the assets to swing a big trade that would end up being favorable to them. Frankly, I don’t see a move the Lakers can make won’t amount to essentially admitting this season was a disaster from the start, a PR nightmare I believe the front office is very keen on avoiding. AT this point they have so many baked-in excuses as to why the team has struggled as much as it has (injuries to stars, injuries to young players, injuries to key players, injuries in general, COVID, fake COVID, time needed to gel when no time is available and so on) that it almost makes sense for them to move forward as is and hope for the best. The only tradable contracts are Nunn and THT. Toss in a vet minimum player that couldn’t find a better deal elsewhere to start the season and that’s the package we have to offer. Underwhelming seems a kind term, really. Unless you want to see John Wall or maybe Kemba Walker manning the point you can throw out any and all Russ trades, I don’t care how the trade machine works it out. If Philly was interested it would only be to toss us bad deals in the form of more players added for a Ben Simmons deal and frankly we can’t offer them a pick until almost the next decade unless we involve the draft pick Godfather Sam Presti in OKC. This amounts to gutting the team in mid-January which will also not likely be happening. Is there a team that views Westbrook as the missing piece to a title? Maybe, but it’s a lot more likely that he gets traded this summer if that’s the case when his deal is expiring and the Lakers are over a barrel with cap issues, again. Why help the Lakers now if you know Westbrook can be had this summer as an expiring along with likely coercing Pelinka into tossing in THT anyhow and the 2027 1st rounder when it’s that much closer? SO I don’t see any trade other than something more minor, possibly with the Kings or Pacers, but even those teams can likely get better picks somehow and will covet said asset.
    5. Thankfully the western conference is kind of a mess this season. The top 3 spots are locked in between the Warriors, Suns and Jazz. Memphis…without Ja Morant who is back…has started separating themselves from the pack, as well at 19-13. After that it’s a jumble of .500-ish teams with injury or roster issues as bad as ours. SO 5th seems to me to be the highest seeding we can hope for given everything above. TO date our only consistent aspect of the team is it’s inconsistencies. Being slow, small and old is not generally a recipe for success in the NBA and yet that’s the very team we have assembled. That being the case we desperately need Frank and Co. to figure some things out better, especially on defense. We also need lady luck to blow some wind our way on the injury front in the form of a quick recovery for AD, no more COVID games missed, and fewer injuries in general. Also, we need to get Nunn on the floor at some point since he is now the only Laker signed this summer who has yet to play in the regular season.

    The Lakers face the Suns, with Book, and I think we’ll be right back at .500 after tonight with a 16-16 record. The Suns are rolling the way the Lakers were after losing to the Celtics way back in ’07 – ’08. Determined. Focused. Good. In all reality we could close out the year on a multi-game losing streak unless we manage to beat Houston or San Antonio. If we kick off 2022 looking up at most of the western conference expect all the hot coaching seat noise, trade rumors and overall malaise around the team to deepen if not get worse. We can do better than that, it’s just nigh-impossible to expect this team to turn the corner given all that ails it at this point.

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    • Good state of the Lakers fiver, Jamie>

      1. The Lakerteers. Big risk now is running LeBron into the ground trying to tread water until AD gets back. We get Dwight and THT back, which is big. We all know we need all three to be healthy, which also means no H&S protocols. We’re in for a repeat of last year or the championship year. Odds probably 1/3 against us but we still have a legit shot.

      2. The Role Players. No question adding Russ exacerbated the challenge of finding the right role players. I’m not one pining for the ‘great’ role players we had last year. In fact, I think the jury is still out and could end up swinging in favor of this year’s group. Not that I don’t think Caruso, Green, KCP, and Kuzma are better than Reaves, Monk, Ellington, and Ariza.

      3. Covid 3.0. That’s what this season will be. Fortunately, we won’t see players in the hospital and morgue because of vaccines and boosters. We will finish the season and it will be the third straight NBA championship that will never be repeated. Maybe we can win 2 of the 3. That would really burn the small market teams. Lakers win 2 asterisk championships. Let’s do it.

      4. Help on the way. Man, it’s got to be tough thinking trades when you’re GHE, Jamie. I think help IS on the way in the form of Jerami Grant or Myles Turner. I don’t think the Lakers will hesitate to include Russell Westbrook either. The issue is not to redo or undo the Westbrook trade but to use Russ, THT, Nunn, and even Reaves and the pick if needed to improve the roster. Lakers will not stand pat at the trade deadline.

      5. Mess in the West. Yeah, that’s one of the silver linings. The other may be a healthy and rested AD for the last 30 games and the playoffs. It’s what still gives the Lakers a puncher’s chance to win their third title in three years. Covid chaos could benefit the Lakers. We just need to keep LeBron and Russ healthy and figure out how to upgrade the roster before the deadline.

      Tonight is the Suns’ trap game. With AD out and the Lakers struggling, it’s the perfect time for LA to surprise the Suns and steal a feel-good win against the Suns. I’m looking for a spirited and high energy game from the Lakers tonight and a 3-point win.

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    My kid Syd had her 4th birthday party yesterday and so no 5er as I never got to properly watch the game. Stay safe out there people, the wild ride has yet to end and we may season a COVId season 2.0 which, if one is honest, benefits our team quite a bit as we are old and it would give the coaches more time to go over film and figure out how to make this work better. The way it looks like we lost to Minny reveals we still need quite a bit of work. I’m not generally a big fan of trades but might need one this season to fix Rob’s terrible roster moves during the off-season. Funny how Caruso has yet to enter H&SP’s yet…

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    My kid Syd had her 4th birthday party yesterday and so no 5er as I never got to properly watch the game. Stay safe out there people, the wild ride has yet to end and we may season a COVId season 2.0 which, if one is honest, benefits our team quite a bit as we are old and it would give the coaches more time to go over film and figure out how to make this work better. The way it looks like we lost to Minny reveals we still need quite a bit of work. I’m not generally a big fan of trades but might need one this season to fix Rob’s terrible roster moves during the off-season. Funny how Caruso has yet to enter H&SP’s yet…

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    5 Things: Lakers beat Mavs with last second heroics

    It took not 1 but 2 last second shots for the Lakers to overcome the short-handed Dallas Mavericks but overcome they did. With Wayne Ellington forcing overtime off of a broken play where the loose ball came to him when it looked like the Mavs had won to Austin Reaves canning a three while getting no-call fouled the Lakers showed a lot of grit in pulling out the win last night. While one of it was very pretty at the end of the season that W will look a lot like all the other ones.

    1. The Three Lakerteers. Last night saw one of the more balanced outings from the Lakers superstar trio. They shot the ball about equally (AD-18, Russ-18, LBJ-19), scored pretty equally (AD-20, Russ-23, LBJ-24) and played about the same number of minutes (AD-39, Russ-42, LBJ-43). In a game where LeBron was pretty focused on getting his own scoring going, AD was knocking off some rust after sitting out for a little over a week and Russ continued his integration process this was a nice game for the Laker big three.
    2. Wayne Ellington’s big bucket. It’s easy to forget that Ellington’s clutch shot off a totally broken up play sent the game into overtime because of what came next. But Wayne was much a hero as any Laker last night with 9 points (3-9 from three, no two pointers) and some solid defense (3 steals). Wayne has upped his defensive intensity over the last week or so and it’s paying off. He was a starter last night and was on the floor for most of the 4th and OT when the game hung in the balance. While it’ll take a lot more defense to shake his gunner legacy Wayne has been putting in work on the right end of the court for this team to have success.
    3. Austin Reaves big bucket. For me the biggest aspect of that shot wasn’t that he took it and made it (when you get the ball with 1 second left you better shoot or you probably don’t belong in an NBA uniform) but that it came after an on-court dressing down from LeBron about a blown defensive assignment. The rookie stuck with it, stayed within his game, and knocked down the winning three much to Mark Cuban’s disbelief. Reaves is going to have plenty of growing pains (as the dressing down regarding his defense indicates) but he seems like a hard-worker who soaks up what he’s taught. Keep that mentality and good things will come of it.
    4. 3 game winning streak and a .500 road record. There will be nothing historic about this Laker regular season in terms of team victories, records or streaks. Steady progress and growth should be enough for these guys to be ready for the playoffs if everyone can stay healthy (a seeming impossibility but more on that later) and if that road can be navigated successfully we’ll be good come May. The Lakers didn’t give up an absurd number of points in the paint (although early on it looked like we might but they turned the screws a bit and tightened it up) or too many free throws or threes. Some of that was the Mavs missing shots and some was good D but the manner in which the results were achieved is slowly becoming inconsequential as long as we keep pace with the middle of the pack while learning on the fly.
    5. More guys out for tomorrow. With Russ and Bradley being added to the growing list of players who are out due to the league’s health and safety protocols the Lakers will need more from LeBron, AD, Reaves and whomever else can suit up. Also, welcome back Mr. Isaiah Thomas! A name that has been consistently dangled in front of Laker fans IT is returning to lend whatever help he can. While it’s a ten day deal and will only last until someone else can play it’s always nice to see someone get a second chance and see what they can do with it. Here’s hoping IT proves the doubters wrong and finds a way to stick in the NBA. Like Boogie, serious injuries with terrible timing have derailed his career.

    The Lakers are holding onto 6th place in the west and are starting to get a little separation between themselves and the lower tier teams in the western conference. 6 or higher is a must for an aged team like the Lakers. the more rest and fewer games played the better, especially games like the play-ins. So the Lakers need to keep growing, improving and staying afloat for a few more months. With a little luck (which seems in short supply) they’ll do just that.

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    • Great Fiver, Jamie. And what a game!

      1. The Three Lakerteers. Would make Austin Reaves d’Artagnan then? Excellent observation about the balance in every area. While that will vary, having all three superstars humming is obviously going to be how we play our best. But even the Three Lakerteers sometimes need help from d’Artagnan.

      2. Wayne Ellington’s big bucket. I agree Wayne’s three to tie the game and send it into overtime was more clutch and important than Austin’s game winner. Wayne misses and we lose. Austin misses and we go to second overtime. Lot more pressure on Wayne than Austin although both shots were up against the clock, which we know always seems to let the shooter fire away confidently.

      3. Austin Reaves big bucket. What you said. Kid has the intangible moxie that is going to make him a longtime Lakers fan favorite. Sponge, clutch, savvy, sound, modest, smart. He’s all the adjectives you conjure when you think of great role players like Derek Fisher or Robert Horry. They have a nose for the ball and the moment and a knack of being in the right place at the right time. Like you say, Austin will have his rookie ups and downs but I wouldn’t bet against him ending up starting by the time we hit the playoffs. He’s gunner version of Alex Caruso.

      4. 3-game winning streak. Lot better than a 3-game losing streak. I still see good signs even though it seems like our opponents are doing a great job of playing above their level against us and we’re accommodating them by playing down. Overall, though, I don’t see it as a lack of heart or ability or coaching. Mostly, it’s just players struggling with unfamiliar lineups and rotations exacerbated by injuries and now Covid. Time will solve some of the problems but Lakers will need a big trade to fix the roster imbalance and get some size at the three.

      5. Third Covid Colored Season! Just hope none of the guys are symptomatic and nobody suffers any long-term effects. I think there’s no doubt the NBA is going to have to do something as this is going to get a lot worse over the next month. Going to be hard to figure out a solution for the league or the country itself considering how controversial and partisan everything related to Covid has become. I don’t think anything should be off the table right now.

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    5 Things: Lakers use dominant 3rd quarter to beat Magic

    LeBron James turned back the clock (or slept for 12 hours depending on your sources) and notched his second triple-double in 3 games, the 101 of his career and the Lakers pulled away in the second half to easily beat the easily beatable Orlando Magic. With the Magic missing Markelle Fultz, Jalen Suggs and Jonathon Isaac (all injured) this was the kind of team the Lakers had to date played down to, allowed to hang around, and generally struggle to win against this season. Whether last night’s game ended that absurd behavior or was a one off remains to be seen. Plenty of good vibes though as the Lakers look to match their longest winning streak of the season tomorrow night at 3 games.

    1. How long can LeBron James play the hero? Who cares, he’s still doing it and we’ll need it all this season. LeBron’s line has become fairly common-place which is a testament to his consistent greatness. 12-20 (3-7 from three and 3-4 from the line), 11 rebounds, 10 dimes, 3 team energizing blocks with the only blemish being his 6 turnovers. When the rest of the line looks like that, you accept the turnovers as an aspect of functionality. The way The King played both energized the arena and his team, bringing the bench and STAP, er…The Crypt… to it’s feet. Evidently a large dose of sleep was one of the catalysts for the breakout game as LeBron quipped in his post-gamer about his 12 hours after jetting all over the country to both play and watch his son Bronny hoop. More of this and LeBron will, once again, at least put himself into the convo for MVP.
    2. Talen tapping into his two-way game. A career high 6 steals punctuated THT’s solid contribution as he looks to fill roles left for him by both Caruso and Kuzma. We’re asking a lot of the 21 year old and his defense will determine his success more than anything else on this team. We got guys who can get buckets, and we got a couple of able and willing defenders…but we’re lacking on dudes who do both. Against the Magic THT was a true two-way player as he had active hands, shot efficiently from everywhere, and promptly landed on the NBA H&SP list due to a positive COVID test. Hoping for a speedy recovery for THT.
    3. Limiting FTA. One of the foundational principles to a good defense is not bailing out guys by fouling them on shots. Make them can a tough bucket, no bail out reach fouls. The Lakers had been giving up a ton of free throws to start the season and, of late, they’ve been managing a better defensive focus. This continued last night as the Lakers wracked up some impressive team defense stats (12 steals, 11 blocks, and 37.5% shooting overall for Orlando) and held the Magic to under 20 FTA. Getting the job done on D doesn’t often result in a Sports Center highlight (do those still exist? They must…) but it helps the team put up W’s.
    4. The right kind of offense. It is, of course, helpful when LeBron brings his monster game to the arena but the Lakers overall have started to tighten up some loose ends that had been dragging the team down. One of the big gripes here at the blog is Frank not getting the right guys the right shots and, too, has started to improve albeit only slightly over the last few games. Whenever the team shoots 46.8% from three it makes the rest of the game a lot easier. The Lakers did right by themselves in that they took a very succinct 28 three pointers (making a lucky 13 of them) and everyone who took one made one except for Malik Monk, who had a down game when compared to his recent play. No threes from Russ means he spent the night in attack mode and didn’t force his outside shot. All good signs.
    5. Beating the beatable. After struggling against the youthful vigor of some of the younger teams in the NBA the Lakers have flipped that script of late by beating OKC and now the Magic. We need these bunny games, like anyone knows the bear needs to fatten up before the winter nap and the Lakers a re very bear-like this season. GOt to add some more bulk and beat the teams we ought to beat, be they young, injured or both we can’t afford too many more let-down games this season. Luckily the western conference is having a kind of down season, thus far, and the Lakers are still holding onto the 6th seed at 15-13. The Lakers really need to turn it around at STAPLES/The Crypt where they are a mediocre 10-7.

    With Luka out the Lakers need to bring the heat and beat Dallas, keep pace with our cross-crypt rivals, The Clippers, and not let Memphis gain any separation. While not monumental in a singular sense, all of these games matter in terms of building good habits, chemistry and keeping pace in the standings. Can we equal our longest winning streak of the season? Here’s hoping. Go Lakers.

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    5 Things: Lakers finally down Thunder on third try

    Third time was the charm for the Lakers to finally overcome the comeback mentality of the OKC Thunder. Behind a dominant game from LeBron James and solid showings by Avery Bradley and Austin Reaves the Lakers cruised to a comfortable victory. Still, despite the win at this point it would appear Laker fans need a little more than that to start to fully believe in the potential of this team.

    1. A dominant and explosive LeBron. It was really nice to see how balanced and aggressive The King was throughout that game. 6 three pointers is a good amount and he kept the defense off-balance by using his step back and bully drives in a variety of ways. This is the version fo LeBron that needs to carry forward, In control, playing in the paint and not settling for lazy shots. I’m hopeful that the version of LeBron we’ve seen is born more of a need to work himself up to true game shape rather than a portend of things to come.
    2. Avery Bradley’s rewards Frank’s faith. I am of the opinion that Bradley in the starting line up is just fine. It allows Monk to get going against other bench guys, gives the starters a defender that can have an impact and when he’s on he can get a nice roll like he did against the Thunder. There are certainly younger, more athletic and, likely, better shooters that could be put in the line up over Avery. The thing is there really isn’t anyone that blends his shot-making ability with defense who can also get his own shot or create for others, although that isn’t his main strength.
    3. Dwight stepping up. The box score didn’t accurately reflect the big game Dwight had and there will always be the potential for Frank to revert and go back to playing a center next to Davis. I was watching the Backstage Lakers show on Spectrum the other day and it was all about DeAndre Jordan’s contract signing day and first couple practices. There was Rob Pelinka touting DAJ since his Clipper days and saying AD had told him “thank you, less minutes for me at the 5”. Enter Frank Vogel in all his excitement to coach the big man at long last. So, if we are going to have a big play I’d rather it be Dwight and when he does I want him to have a high degree of impact on our D. Dwight checked that box and needs to keep doing that whenever his bell is rung.
    4. Three point guys getting up three point shots. Much has been made of our lack of offensive schemes to get Ellington, Monk, Melo and the other “3 and…?” guys shots in the flow. Well, for one game, the Lakers solved that riddle pretty darn well: Melo 1-6 three pointers, Ellington 3-9, and Monk 1-6. While those guys may not have made the looks seeing 6+ attempts shows us that the team is at least trying to get these guys shots in the offense. A few more makes and this game would have been even more of a blowout. While the overall volume of attempts (42) is a tad high for my tastes (I’d rather see a few more rim runs and the 3 point FGA around 35-40, tops) it’s still a positive to see the right guys taking their shots.
    5. THT doing a little bit of everything. I’m not on the “Talen is a superstar in the making!” train but rather “let’s hope he can contribute consistently this year!” train. That’s exactly what he did last night. While no single stat jumps out at you (11 points, 3 boards, 2 assists and a steal) he got that very efficiently and controlled. That’s what we need from him this season. In some ways THT is the new Kuzma: the young Laker on a movable contract with some good and bad things about his game. If Horton-Tucker can focus on filling in the gaps he’ll be just fine on this team, we don’t need him to be superstar #4.

    Shout out to Auston Reaves who had a good game in front of his home town crew. Also another positive outing in garbage time for Kent Bazemore in which he made the only shot he took. If that shot can come back we could certainly use his defense. Need to string some wins together to show everyone, myself included, that this team can be a force.

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    5 Things: The dual nature of this Laker team

    It’s no mistake that I didn’t do a 5er after the win over Boston. I was excited, I was pumped, I was stoked because for a few moments I thought “we’re turning a corner here!”. Then I remembered how the only consistency thus far for the Lakers has been inconsistency. So I waited a game to see if we would play the way we did against Boston or continue our Paula Abdul “Opposite’s Attract” theme by taking a step forward followed by a step back.

    Cue the Cat:

    1. LeBron’s declining impact. I’m not wondering anymore, it’s here. The decline has begun and you see it in the pace we play (something that can be traced back to the post-groin injury in year 1), his shot selection (weighted more and more towards the 3 point line, and in how he finishes or rather how he doesn’t. It’s early-ish but The King is on pace to shoot, by far, the most threes/game of his career. 40.6% of his shots are from beyond the arc but 54..9 % of his points are of the 2 point variety. In short, the King is settling for threes. Often after dribbling out the shot clock. No offense to one of the greatest to ever play but is the definition of bad basketball. If it holds up over the course of the season his 8 3PT FGA/game would represent a career high (one which he set 2 season’s ago at 6.3 and replicated, exactly, last season) but he’s only making 2.6/game for a mediocre 33%. It’s showing a lot in his rebounding which is currently 5.9/game (rookie season is his career low at 5.5 other than then and now no season where he averaged fewer than 6+). He’s also picking up more fouls than he generally does. Some of this are his minutes at center, I would imagine. That being the primary defender in the paint, having to rotate out onto guys on defense rather than hiding on a dude in the corner is sapping him of valuable energy. Look, the man is 36 years old, this was always going to happen, and the Lakers are simply ill-equipped to absorb an ever-aging LeBron on this roster. We have almost no up-and-coming talent; no offense to THT but we’re basically hoping he tops out at KCP level impact if one is being realistic. Russ has been doing his best for the most part, but there is simply no replacing what LeBron brings. Could some of this be alleviated by pulling him out of the center rotation? I’m not so sure. Age has a way of just affecting everything. It may be that he’s working his way into game-level conditioning which, if so, means there are better days to come. I sure hope it’s the last point otherwise the rest of the points below don’t really matter.
    2. Anthony Davis has to figure out how to be dominant every game. Watch tape of Shaq, dude. Nobody got beat up more in the post but still brought it hard every single night like Shaquille O’Neal. It’s not like AD has been playing poorly, he’s been fine. But with roughly a 1/3 of the Lakers cap space occupied by his salary and given LeBron’s decline we need him to be more than he’s been on a nightly basis. We need more than fine. We need 30 points a game and 10 rebounds and that’s all there is to it. Be a champ on D, sure, hold guys accountable and thank you for doing so, but we need you to be the difference-maker on offense we all know you can be. AD is, again, not really in the MVP conversation. If he can average 30 and 10 he will be and he needs to get on that ASAP or, frankly, the season is done. Russ and LeBron with the rest of this team is not enough to win a title with AD playing a side-kick role. Time to put on the super suit and take to the air, Mr. Davis, the hopes and dreams of Laker Nation are counting on it.
    3. We need one dominant quarter from Russ/game. There should never be a game where THT takes more shots than Russell Westbrook does. Russ had scored all of his 9 points in the first half and was largely shut down after that by…himself. 4 shots in the second half. I didn’t see the Grizz scheming for him to not get the ball or aggressively doubling him when he drove. He just kind of took himself out of the game. Again, as a player that roughly 1/3 of the Laker salary cap is dedicated to that simply doesn’t cut it. We absolutely need Russ to p0ut the kind of pressure on the defense that he is still capable of doing. That means more than 9 FGA. That means capping the turnovers at 3/game (he had 6 last night and half of those were just him losing the ball all on his own). Russ is the wild card superstar as he can turn a competitive game into a blowout but can’t seem to be the one that helps the team win on a consistent basis.
    4. The rest of the team. I mean…we’re old, man. Outside of Monk and THT (and Nunn who has yet to play and Reaves who is a rookie) there’s not an impact player on the roster under 30. So, with that in mind, it’s small surprise we have trouble staying in front of guys and defending at a level we’d become accustomed to as Laker fans. They all score in ways relative to their roles and they’re doing fine at it with nobody really distinguishing themselves from the rest in terms of consistency or impact. if anything the only thing that’s certain is Monk is our best young player to date passing THT fairly easily. THT still seems to be the apple of the organization’s eye but one has to wonder how long that will continue. Asking more of the role guys is pretty absurd, as well. They don’t bring the ball up, they’re taking up a 1/3 of our cap space each and they weren’t brought here to do that. They take the shots they get, they play defense the best they can in our system. They collect that vet minimum paycheck. Also, hoping Ariza and/or Nunn will drastically change any of this point is fool hardy. Ariza is one of 3 36 year olds on the roster and Nunn hasn’t played in months. Both of them will need practice, game reps and time to get to even so, hopefully they’re contributing come the ASB…depending on if they’re even playing by then.
    5. Frank needs to…oh wait, Frank has already changed everything like three times. You can’t coach around age. It is impossible. We play at the slowest pace, with Russ on the squad. We waste entire possessions watching LeBron James dribble and heave. Frank isn’t going to talk LeBron into turning back the clock to 2011. We’ve seen Frank go from one kind of line up to another, from man defense to switching to whatever it is we try in this game or that. As a coach he certainly has limitations but he is also quite open to trying whatever works. The issue being that, because of the duality of the team he was given, it’s overall age and lack of size this is the best he can do. He can’t coach around shrimpy players or aged vets. The irony being that Frank will also be the one to go first because that’s just how it works in pro sport. Coach gets fired, GM next, then players get shipped.

    Look, it’s not all doom and gloom. We’re still 6th in the west with teams like the Clippers, Nuggets, Mavericks and Trailblazers all under-performing, as well. If we can shake off our habit of playing .500 ball we can certainly get up to 4th and have home court advantage in the first round while avoiding the play-in. Our longest winning streak this season is 3. Our longest losing streak is also 3. So if LeBron can turn back the clock just a tiny bit, Russ figures how to dominate one quarter/game and AD plays at a close to MVP level we’ll be OK. Maybe not win a title but certainly be more enjoyable to watch. As it all currently strands there’s no way we get past the Warriors or Suns in the west. It ain’t happening, we simply lack in too many areas that they excel in.

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    • Yep…that Boston game was a mirage. Nobody mentions that the Lakers were coming off 3 days rest which rarely happens during the NBA season. Kinda similar to the Covid Cup Exhibition Tournament. There’s no single problem with this team; there’s about 6 or 7 of em. So even if you fix 2 or 3 you still got another 3 or 4 that need fixing.

      • So far every positive sign has been partly a mirage. Problem is good habits take winning to stick. You can’t turn them on like a switch. They have to be learned, just like shooting. Team muscle memory requires repetitions of the same lineups. At both ends of the court. Continuity must be the foundation. Right now, we have the wrong foundation.

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    5 Things: Laker defense has no answer for balanced Clipper attack

    The Lakers fell to the Clippers with the usual suspects leading the way: defensive let downs, missed free throws and a shaky offensive identity. While the Lakers did do a decent job containing Paul Heorge they let the rest of the Clippers get pretty much whatever they wanted.

    1. Too much LeBron, not enough AD and Russ. LeBron had a subpar game shooting-wise. I’m not sure if he was forcing his own action in lieu of going to Russ or AD more butane. We don’t diversify our already simplistic offense we become extremely predictable.
    2. Missed Free Throws rear their heads, again.Ninsokution to this other than AD needs to recapture the form he had Laker year 1. Since then he’s been a 70%er and his outside shot has been mostly MIA. I’m sure it’s all still in there he just needs to bring his complete game more consistently.
    3. I’m not freaking out about the starters. We only have so many tools in the shed. Few of them are defenders. Most of them are floor spacers and old. This is mostly on the front office and ownership as they had a chance to retain Caruso who hit threes and defended well. I think that until Nunn. Ones back we’ll see Bradley start because you do need someone to come off the bench and score and Monk has been good at that. I also don’t see a trade where we bring in anplayerbthat surpasses what we would have to send out. A lot of this is on Frank and Co. to squeeze more blood from the rock.
    4. Waive DeAndre Jordan and pick up James Ennius. There’s not enough time for Frank to tinker and daydream about which big man is the better one. It’s Dwight by a country mile, we need him to play 15-20 mpg and we need another wing defender like now. DAJ is the only true flotsam we have, let him drift on down the river.
    5. The time for mucking about and fiddling with line ups ha well -passed. We know Melo and Monk work well off the bench, leave it alone until the playoffs. We know that we want to start a big, make it Dwight and leave it alone. That leaves deciding between THT and Bradley who ought to start. Choose one and let it ride. At this point it’s shaping up to be the mosh mosh of line ups we saw last season and that doesn’t bode well. Find something that works and the. Build it up but stop with the DNP-CD to “hey want to play like the whole game!’ BS. It’s not helping anyone.

    Had to do this 5er from the phone in various locals so likely some spelling errors or poor grammar, my apologies. Need to string something together or this season will be defined for all it wasn’t as opposed to all it was.

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    • Nice 5 Jamie, one thing I just thought of and maybe telling. Down the stretch, LeBron was not guarding PG. once the Clips took out a true center and brought in Kennard you would think LeBron would draw PG and Malik would guard Kennard. In the past LeBron would take on that match up. You just wonder what’s up with LeBron if he can’t take on PG for 5 minutes.

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    5 Things: Lakers get revenge against Kings in win

    It started like so very many Laker games have started this season. Easy buckets, poor transition D, offense that looks rudimentary and general malaise about the team. The Lakers seesawed back and forth with the Kings in the first half and would get within five before watching the Kings run out to a 12 point lead before the half. Then Malik Monk made a three point shot at the buzzer to close the first half. It all turned around after that.

    1. Dwight Howard’s impact. This game is a perfect example of why I favor playing Dwight over DeAndre in just about every conceivable situation. His energy is better, he knows the frank Vogel defense inside and out, he compliments AD better and he’s never afraid to mix it up down low. If we are going to play a big is simply has to be Dwight and the arguments against are paltry and flimsy, at best. Dwight’s stat line won’t be going in any record books (12 points, most of those in the first half to help keep us close, 13 Union man rebounds with 5 coming on the offensive glass, 2 steals and 2 blocks) but his effort and intensity are what we need as much as his production. Unleash Dwight, Frank, you know you want to.
    2. Malik Monk proving his worth and earning his role. Monk hit 6 of 10 threes, accounting for over half of the team makes from distance, played pretty solid defense and continues to be a solid guy to have on the team. If he plays like this all season he’ll likely play his way right off of our team and I, for one, hope he does. We need this kind of impact from someone other than the big three and after THT went out with a leg injury in the first half Monk really shined. His three to close the half started a Laker run that basically went on throughout the rest of the game. He isn’t just a three point specialist, either, Monk can get to the rim, score in the paint and make plays for others. Monk was stellar off the bench for the Lakers last night.
    3. Laker bench showed up big. 58 points were put up by the Laker bench and that wasn’t the best stat, in my opinion. The bench also nabbed 30 rebounds and were a huge factor in a game that actually saw AD and Russ sitting on the bench in a win to end the game. I’m not sure that’s happened yet this season, if it has it hasn’t been often enough. The bench came to play, and we need it happen a lot more often.
    4. AD and Russ leading the way, of course. Anthony was solid throughout the game, scoring more in and around the paint as has been his way this season. I’m all for it. Yes, he can stretch the floor and of course his three point shot is a weapon. There is just so much more to his game than that and when he relegates himself to spot up shooter or stands around on the perimeter our team suffers for it. Westbrook started slow and got hot to start the second half. While not his best shooting night (some of that due to questionable non-calls) we needed these guys to step up and play large with LBJ going into the NBA health and safety protocols for a minimum of 10 days.
    5. 65-26 run to take control of the game, outscored the Kings 67-33 in the second half. The saying “A tale of 2 halves” is a common one and it certainly applied here tonight. The Lakers utterly dominated the second half tonight and hopefully this signals the end of our terrible third quarters. While it’s nice to see consistent effort and great production in every quarter if we have to choose one area to dominate in I will take the second half every time. You can’t win a game in any half, it’s a slow build to a finale’. But if you’re going to have a dominant stretch I feel like the second half is the place to make it happen.

      All in all, a solid win. Something to build on in terms of the defensive intensity in the second half. Beating a team we should beat in a convincing fashion is certainly something to carry forward. The next 5 games can really help to turn the narrative and the season around. It’s unlikely LeBron plays in any of them except for, maybe, the 5th as the King has 9 days, minimum, remaining in NBA H&SP. The Lakers have all the tools they need to start to turn this around and redefine a season that has, thus far, been defined for the things they lack rather than the weapons they have. Time to turn the beat around. Go Lakers!

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    • Nice post Jamie, LeBron may only have to miss 2 more games. We have some off days coming up. We play the Griz on offense he 9th so he could be back for that one. I haven’t heard anything yet on THT but I’m hoping he can play Friday. We will be undersized against both PG and Tatum and not having LeBron makes having THT and his length out makes it even harder. We may have to dust off Bazemore. It would be nice with a lot of practice time coming up if Trevor and Nunn were cleared to practice. I know they are both getting close. I think Trevor gets re-evaluated tomorrow.

      You are right about Dwight. Even though I don’t agree, I could at least see the logic behind playing Dwight with the 2nd unit. His skill set was more beneficial with them than the first unit. But when Frank decided to play LeBron at center, it should have been Dwight at the starting 5. Hopefully we will see a center rotation of just AD and Dwight Friday.

      • One thing that should have mentioned was Melo going old school Melo. 14 points but not on 3’s. He was 0 for 2 from 3. He’s still deadly from mid range and should look to score from there more often.

      • I personally don’t see LBJ at the 5 as the be-all-end-all of our issues. I think it works in some situations but when he’s the biggest guy on the floor for us we get murdered on the glass. Unless you play him with Russ and Rondo (2 elite rebounders at the guard position) I don’t see it as a long-term or every game kind of thing. Is it a useful tool to have in the shed? Absolutely.

        Spot on in regards to Melo, didn’t think it deserved a slot but I love when Melo goes full old school and plays back-to-the-basket. We have decent post-up players and should use them as the situation warrants. Is that a “do it this way going forward” kind of thing? No. Is it another useful tool in the shed? Yup.

        Lastly, I hope THT is OK and that we start getting guys back because no matter how long LeBron is out we need some skill and size. Reaves is learning on the fly, Rondo is old and best used in spot minutes situations, and we dedicated more than little cap towards Nunn who looked good prior to the injury.

    • Great game and great fiver, Jamie.

      1) Thank God Frank got an epiphany 4 minutes into the game and benched DJ hopefully for good for not playing hard. Dwight came in and had his best game as a Laker. Dwight starts at the five and AD and LeBron cover the other minutes.

      2) I love Monk’s game and hope there is some way we can keep him next season. I would have no problem with him starting but also understand his value off the bench. I love that Malik can get his own shot or a shot for a teammate at all three levels.

      3) When Monk and Melo show up and Dwight dominates, our bench is Dynamite. We just need more consistency. And we need Nunn and Ariza to get healthy so we can be whole.

      4) Good to see AD and Russ learning how to win without LeBron. As I keep harping, winning the non-LeBron minutes is the key to winning #18. Turn LeBron’s positive test into a silver lining.

      5) Holding the Kings to 33 points in the second half was the kind of defensive effort that has to be this team’s identity. Start Russ, Reaves, LeBron, AD, and Dwight on Friday.

      Let’s hope this great game is the turning point. We have so many false starts to a comeback that it’s hard to believe but I loved how the team came back in the second half. Best game of year.

      • I have to say that I agree 100% on LRob;s take from his podcast after the win. I died when Gerald set him up with a long “Do you have any hope that the Lakers can take anything away from this game?” and he point blank, un-sarcastically said: “No.” That it’s basically impossible to believe this team is capable of sustaining anything. That’s on them and their wildly inconsistent play, Frank’s odd rotations, injuries and roster make up.

        We struggle to beat bad teams is perhaps the most damning thing. If we got up for bigger. brighter match ups it’d be one thing but we just generally get out-played. the instances we don’t are, to this point, the outliers.

        So when/if that changes, great, but at this point I’m taking it one quarter at a time. Honestly, I’m not even sold that Frank is not going to start DeAndre Jordan against Zubac tomorrow night. Or even if he does start Dwight that it won’t change if he has a bad game or two.

        What was once a team has become a collection old mercenaries and it kinda shows on the court. It shows in Frank not feeling confident in any one line up he’s trotted out yet. It shows in the hustle stats, regularly. So, for all that to change after one good half seems improbable now.

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    5 Things: Lakers eke out win against Pistons

    This team isn’t going to make it easy, it would seem. Even when we get a big lead against a team we should manhandle we seem determined to let them back into the game. Whether it be sloppy execution, poor D, or a lackadaisical attitude in general this incarnation of Laker basketball lacks a killer instinct. It may come back to bite them but there’s fading hope it will change. After all, you are what you is.

    1. Lotta donuts. Avery Bradley and Melo both put up scoring zeroes. Both added something to the box score but starters need to bring more and Melo is our best scorer off the bench. Against the woebegone Pistons who struggle nightly to score 100 points it ended up not resulting in a loss, however for a team that could use an easy win or three it only added to the rep of a team with banner aspirations playing down to inferior opponents. It wouldn’t hurt for us to be able to rest our star players in the 4th, either, as LeBron’s re-aggravated abdominal strain shows. It’d be nice to beat up on teams we should beat up on.
    2. Lakers three point shooting remains an issue. The guy taking the most is the guy we want attacking the basket (LeBron) and the guys we brought in are either getting a low amount of shots and/or missing them in bunches. Last night saw the following players go 0-fer from three: Bradley, Melo, and Monk. Key reserves Ellington (1-3) and THT (1-4) made one but this isn’t a recipe for continued success against most teams in the NBA. AD has been so bad (20.5% for the season after last night, around 16% prior to) he’s taking more shots in the paint than ever. Again, no easy answer presents itself as the issue seems to be that LeBron would rather take threes than create them for guys like Ellington, Monk and so on. In some ways that makes sense since LeBron is one of three guys whom most of our cap is dedicated to. In reality I think the team would function better if all the tools were used to the best of their capabilities. Hopefully this works itself out over the course of the season but, so far, there isn’t a lot of evidence to support that notion.
    3. Credit that Detroit Piston free throw defense. I kid, but LeBron and Russ need to be better. LeBron and Russ missed key free throws in the triple overtime loss to the Kings, and again missed key free throws down the stretch that could have helped us pull away earlier. We breathe life into teams in so many ways we have to look to cut down in some area or another and free throws seem the likeliest place to start. It’s nice we’re getting to the line more, but we need to make them for it to matter.
    4. Small line ups score a little better, get killed on the boards. As Frank continues what one now has to assume will be a mostly season-long experiment we saw what was the only DeAndre Jordan at center line up. other than DAJ it was AD and LeBron manning the center position. In his 21 minutes Jordan managed only 6 rebounds and as a team we got killed on the boards 53-42 with the Pistons grabbing 12 offensive rebounds. This is unsustainable, especially against teams with true centers and a crash the glass mentality. We don’t box out, we don’t jump for rebounds, we simply stand there and hope. My biggest issue with LeBron at center with a bunch of guards isn’t the defense it’s the rebounding. Russ can’t do it all, somebody has to figure out what the phrase “put a body on him” means and box the hell out. Getting killed on the glass has become yet another constant issue in just about every game we play. More oxygen for inferior teams.
    5. The ball was moving though! One super positive in my opinion was the 32 assists and the fact that all three superstars had solid and efficient games. This wasn’t a win to celebrate by any means, we should have beaten Detroit even more than we did. But when something goes right it starts to feel like you have to mention it since so little has thus far. So, in the spirit of that, the ball movement was exceptional last night. Also, Russ, LeBron and AD all had solid games without getting in one another’s way. So, if this si something sustainable and can be built upon I’ll take it.

    The good thing is that rest of the west is kind of a mess, too. We’re lucky that Denver is this season’s walking wounded team, that Portland didn’t find new fire under Chauncy Billups and that teams slated to be rebuilding teams have, for the most part, played like that. We’re 6th in the west and we need to solidify that spot and look to push our way past the Clippers in the coming games. If we can fight our way into a top 4 seed by the All Star break and stabilize the ship I feel like we’ll be alright. If we keep up with this up and down play, stay around .500 we’re just as likely to have to go the play-in route, again. Nobody wants that.

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    • Nice write up Jamie, I think you pretty much nailed it. Rebounds have been a season long issue. The Pistons PG and SF had 11 boards each. LeBron had 6. Even AD’s 10 wasn’t all that impressive when you consider the Pistons are t a big team.

      As far as 3 point shooting goes it’s not just not getting a lot of shots, it’s being involved in the offense. Touching the ball, moving without the ball, just being in the flow of the game. Then you have a rhythm. It’s no accident that all these guys we bring in as shooters fail. It’s the offensive system itself that is partly responsible. If we are going to have success shooting the 3 these shooters have to be involved in the offense.

    • Good fiver, Jamie. Still in the middle of the muddle this season has become and appears to want to remain for some time.

      1) Lotta donuts. The positive is the three superstars did exactly what the Lakers wanted when they traded for Russ: not to have to rely on a bunch of role players who usually don’t step up. We won. Formula worked.

      2) 3-point shooting. I think I agree with Michael that we need to run some plays to get these guys shots. Shooters need to get up shots. They can’t just suddenly get into a rhythm. That’s on Russ and LeBron.

      3) Free throws. I’ve been pleased with LeBron and Russ from the line. LeBron’s shooting 75.5% on 4.8 ftpg (69.8% on 5.7 ftpg lyr) and Russ is shooting 69.0% on 5.7 ftpg (65.6% on 6.4 ftpg lyr).

      4) Small ball lineups. We solved the points in the paint issue, winning that by 18 points, but lost the rebound battle by around 10 boards. I blame that on poor rebounding by Jordan and other players. Not small ball lineup.

      5) Ball moving. Team made the next pass almost every time. Superstars did their job. Others need to step up. At least two or three. Not none. Let’s hope this is a first step in what will be a transformative winning streak.

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    5 Things: Lakers blow 13 point lead, fall to Kings

    The theme of the season is blowing big leads to inferior teams and/or giving up monster quarters to any and all comers. Team Oxygen gave the reeling Kings some life who are now coached by Alvin Gentry after a poor start to the season got Luke Walton fired. The Lakers in the 3 OT’s ran a nascent offense through LeBron which resulted in a lot of lazy threes, poorly executed plays and our now traditional defensive lapses. A win that got away in a season full of them.

    1. Simple plays are easy to defend. When the Lakers start running their “LeBron dribbles for 19 seconds and jacks up a step back” offense we are a ridiculously easy team to defend. Star power? Wasted. Other 2 superstars? Unused. Motion or basketball plays? Nonexistent. It allows the defense to get set, makes it harder for us to rebound and is just plain bad basketball. When LeBron makes the shot we all go ‘yay’ but it doesn’t have to be this way.
    2. 5 guys played almost an hour of basketball. I never understand when coaches let the guys who closed the 4th just keep on playing. And playing. And playing, as was the case last night. Get some guys a quick rest, change the look of the lineup, anything to get a fresh approach to winning the game. Looking at the box score it was team AARO and Monk who accumulated a ton of minutes. Bit a recipe for long term success.
    3. AD has a terrible game shooting the ball. This team doesn’t work well if AD isn’t a force inside or lets himself be relegated to outside jump shot guy. We need him to score inside to open up looks for our three point specialists and open up driving chances for Russ and LBJ. Need AD to regain the form he showed when LeBron was out.
    4. Russ finding his way. He’s racking up triple doubles, he was our most efficient player in the floor last night and we need him to have the ball in his hands more because Russ uses the team more often than LeBron. He gets guys moving, involves AD in pick and roll action. LeBron has a tendency to dominate late-game possessions and we need to better diversify.
    5. Excuses have run out. We’re 21 games in. This team is playing the same whether LBJ, AD, Melo or whomever is on the floor. We need our younger guys to start stepping up which both requires them to succeed and for the older guys to step aside at times. Frank has the team’s ear on defense…kinda…but we need a more diverse offensive attack to close out quarters, halves and games. We’re a middle of the pack team right now, at best. That’s pathetic considering the talent level. There’s no way Jeannie and Co. can be happy with the results thus far and so the questions will begin. Frank needs to show them something or he won’t last the season. Offhand I can’t think of a coach that was fired a season removed from winning a title and yet here we are.

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    No 5er from the Indy game as I on vacation in Palm Desert for the holiday but wanted to wish you all well and go Lakers!!!

    Yo Lakerholics

    No 5er from the Indy game as I on vacation in Palm Desert for the holiday but wanted to wish you all well and go Lakers!!!

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    5 Things: Lakers show up late to Garden Party and lose to the Knicks

    Too little, too late. After digging themselves into a 25 point hole the Lakers came all the way back to tie the game in the 4th quarter only to see it ultimately slip away. Once our again our 4th quarter execution looked more frenzied than focused and our defense wasn’t able to get the job done early. All in all the loss to the Knicks guaranteed that the road trip will be one with a losing record and tonight the Lakers are trying to avoid going 1-4 on the 5 game roadie.

    1. If only we were fixing holes and cracks but it really feels like this team is treading water on a nightly basis. The injuries, new personnel, new offensive system and the new roles for AD and LBJ are all tough orders in the shortened training camp era and for Frank to have seamlessly implemented and integrated all those things off the bat would have been amazing. I’d settle for just one of those things above working and, really, none of them are, yet. Hard to see how it gets better other than from within. Had we changed LeBron and AD’s roles alone, kept most of the roster, that feels like it would have been an easy integration for the core squad from last season to adapt to. However we instead brought in 11 new faces, one a ball dominant guard, so that added a wrinkle to everything in that while AD and LBJ were learning their new roles at their new positions they also have to learn how to get the most out of an entirely new roster. Adding Russ in and of itself wouldn’t have been such a slog but then Frank also added a new offense so not only are Russ, AD and LeBron adjusting to one another, new roles, new teammates they’re also learning a new way to score. Then came the injuries. While not an excuse, it feels like the Lakers chose the most difficult path to get back to title contention they possibly could have.
    2. That first quarter… The one thing this team does consistently is give up big quarters to, well, just about any team. Sometimes it’s the 3rd, it’s also happened in the 4th, last night happened to be to open the game. Regardless, no matter the opponent, the Lakers have a rep already of giving up 30+ point quarters and they usually come when we can’t throw it in the ocean. I don’t know what to say about this anymore, we seem to lose our focus and execution for a solid 10-15 minutes/game. If this trend continues it will be the defining characteristic to this Laker team as it makes it almost impossible to find a way to win consistently if you’re in the habit of giving up 1 monster quarter/game.
    3. THT needs to find something that works consistently. We got a donut from THT last night and, if he’s going to be the starter and we’re going to see less of Kent Bazemore who is the better defender, he needs to bring a lot more on both ends. He was totally ineffective and had one of his most unproductive outings to date as he missed every shot he took, didn’t get to the line, and led the team with a -18 +/-. While some of that are the lineups he plays with but, as a starter, he needs to be a lot more consistent.
    4. Lakers 3 point shooting woes continue. Other than Westbrook (3-6) and AD (1-2) the Lakers struggled mightily from three. It wasn’t like the Knicks shut us down, we just missed shots and a decent number of those came in the final five minutes of the game when any kind of score would have helped but empty possessions guaranteed the loss. I get it, the modern NBA is infatuated with the three point shot, 3 points is worth more than 2, and so on. the name of the game is still who ash the most points on the board, regardless of where they came from. When you have a player like AD and Russ it’s astounding to me we don’t run late-game offense through them more adeptly. Our late-game offense has consisted far too much of the laziest shot in basketball: the early shot clock three. Had we gotten a bucket or two from down low, run something through AD on the block I think we would have generated much higher quality shot attempts. For the Lakers I do not believe the answer lies solely in more, or volume, but in being diligent in ensuring the quality of the three point shot is high. That means doing more than passing the ball once or twice around the horn and jacking it up. That’s lazy basketball, not winning basketball.
    5. Hey, we’re valuing the ball, though! Take away that first quarter and the Lakers would have had fewer than 10 turnovers last night. You can’t do that, though, and so we still ended up with a very manageable 12. That, beyond anything else, was what helped us claw our back into this game. That and a tighter defensive execution scheme in regards to our zone. Keeping turnovers low with Russ (2nd in the league currently in terms of turnovers/game) and LeBron (averages a round 5/game for his career) is a key to us winning consistently. Happy to see that the team is trying to at least create shots every time down and not coughing it up. Clean up a few more of those and we’re on our way in terms of getting the most out of time with the rock.

    The bets we can hope is to come home a .500 team 20 games into the season. The trends are plain for all to see: play down to opponents, give up one monster quarter/game, lack of focus or intensity overall, especially on defense. LeBron coming back or trading for player X might help a little but we’re still a couple weeks away from even being able to trade guys we signed over the summer. Plus, THT has been pretty inconsistent thus far and I have a hard time seeing a team giving up an impact player for a project at his price. Lakers need to find the solution from within and the sooner the better.

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    • Good stuff, Jamie. Can’t disagree with any of it

      1) Treading water is the perfect description of this team’s mental state. Every game it’s something. Is LeBron playing? Is AD playing? When will Nunn play his first game? Same for Ariza. Frankly, I think we’re LeBron and one player from being OK. Maybe LeBron and Reaves. I’m thinking he’s the only guard with the defense and size to start at the two. Until Ariza’s ready, I’m betting Frank sticks with two bigs. If he’s going to lose his job, he’s not going to do it without doing it his way. Can’t blame him.

      2. That ‘Fill-in-the-blank’ quarter! Yeah, the funny thing about this game is it was the starters like Russ and Bradley who put us in the hole and then almost saved us. What was disappointing was no carry over from the great fourth quarter against the Pistons. Even bigger mystery, no Russ/AD pick-and-rolls from the left side like won the Detroit game. Puzzling!

      3. THT looked terrible. LOL, so bad he could screw up all of my proposed trades. He’s not ready to start and likely won’t next game. He does need to play better for the Lakers to win and for teams to covet him in a trade. I’ll be rooting for him but the last two games have been major disappointments. THT is as good as gone right now for a shot blocking stretch five or bigger 3&D wing. Game’s still too fast for him at 20.

      4. Have to agree with you on the Lakers 3-point shooting. You know I’m a big proponent of volume 3-point shooting, which means a player like Buddy or Lonzo who hoist 10 threes per game. Melo is the only player on the Lakers who should have that kind of green light.

      As a player and coach, I also lived by the rule that you went to the rim to get a bucket or free throw when you’re not hitting from outside. Only losers settle when the game’s on the line. In this case, I think the Lakers just ran out of gas coming back from 15 down. Another lesseon we can only hope the Lakers learned last night. Don’t get off to a bad start.

      5. Turnover advantage. Even a sloppy first quarter by Russ can’t prevent the Lakers from another game with excellent ball security. Glad to see you looking for silver linings too. For some reason, I think this team is getting more adversity and criticism than they deserve. Let’s hope we start a win streak tonight.

    • Lakers are tied for giving up the 2nd most PPG along with Charlotte: 113.1. That leaves only Memphis (114.1 ppg) at the bottom. Need to find a way to get it done better on D, nothing else to say really.

      • We can’t ‘tread water’ until Dec 15 to trade anybody but THT or Jan 15 to trade him or the Feb 10 trade deadline. We’ll drown by then. That means everything hinges on Nunn and Ariza finally playing and Reaves returning. Those three should replace many of minutes that THT, Bazemore, and Jordan are currently getting.

        Until we can make a trade or sign a buyout free agent, this will hopefully become our starting lineup and depth chart:

        PG: WESTBROOK, Nunn, Rondo
        SG: BRADLEY, Reaves, Monk, Ellington
        SF: JAMES, Horton-Tucker, Bazemore
        PF: ARIZA, Anthony,
        CE: DAVIS, Howard, Jordan

      • Aloha Jamie, nice post. The Lakers demonstrated why I wasn’t feeling exceedingly optimistic after the Pistons comeback. Our energy is a rollercoaster ride that I really don’t have an explanation for. We got to see the best and worst versions of Russ, his play helped dig that first half hole and he helped dig us out of it in the 2nd half. It’s rare that a teams comes back from 25 down and wins. The comeback takes so much energy that there isn’t much left in crunch time. We have won only 5 first downs quarters this year. That’s just unacceptable. Injuries, new players and a new system is certainly problematic and I except difficulties due to those issues but there is just no excuse for lack of effort. I really don’t know how to solve it.

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    5 Things: Lakers find some inner grit and down Pistons

    Almost 17 years to the day was the infamous Malice at the Palace the Lakers and Pistons got together for an impromptu, unscheduled, old-timey re-enactment. While last night didn’t turn into a “one player against the world” kind of thing it was, by far, the most intense on-court brawl in a long time. At the time the Lakers were down and sinking fast. The Pistons came out after the scrum and scored the first bucket for a 17 point lead. Everything started to change after that and hopefully it’s a change for the better and on a permanent basis.

    1. The LeBron James question. Both in the national media and on our Gerald Glassford’s Lakers Fast Break podcast the question has been raised: is Father Tim finally sinking it’s claws into LeBron James. The question is legit as James has been dealing with an abdominal strain that took an extended amount of time off the court to heal, and even when he did play nearly half his shots were from three point land. I actually thought the beginning of the Pistons game showed us that the true LeBron remains. While he was getting hit and slapped on a bunch of his drives he was more balanced in his shot repertoire. 1-3 from three but also three shots in the paint with one midrange step back that he drilled. I am of the opinion that James still has something in the tank and that he’s easing his way into the regular season. This is not only common for players his age who generally play more of a role than lead but it’s been LeBron’s traditional approach for some seasons now. The King will be fine if he can avoid contact injuries and get time on the court with the team. Now, he may end up getting a suspension as a result of his retaliation but that’s up to the League office.
    2. Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook found a way. It sure wasn’t pretty but wrestling with a pig never is. Let’s be honest, Detroit’s plan was to junk up the game from the start and the number of free throws shot, the fight that added a 15 minute delay, and the overall feel of the game. Detroit has never been known to field a finesse team, it’s just not in the state of Michigan’s DNA. Piston teams are hard-driving, gritty and play in your grill. It’s why players like Bill Laimbeer and “Big” Ben Wallace are revered there to the degree they are. It took the best quarter of Russ as a Laker and a return to form for AD to pull this one out. Davis swatted 5 shots, Russ started attacking with the purpose to score and not figure it out in mid air. They both played like the superstars they are and we need them to be to have a shot. Davis shot 4-4 in the final frame and was stellar on defense overall. Russ carried the load offensively shaking loose for 15 points. Both guys found each other repeatedly for baskets down the stretch. This is how they have to play all the time, every game. With that intensity and fervor.
    3. Carmelo shaking off his road woes. it’s no secret that Melo has mostly struggled on the road. Outside of his game against Boston where he wasn’t much involved but shot well, his road splits have been awful. Last night he came up huge on both ends in the 4th quarter with some aggressive close outs, his shooting and his overall presence which is still one of elite NBA pedigree. While he may not be the Melo of old, he has a ton left in the tank and the young guys react to that in a positive way. Melo is going to be a big part of this team’s successes and it’s been a thrill to watch. I’ve always loved me some Carmelo.
    4. Dwight Howard’s monster 13 minutes. We lose this game without Dwight. He was the only one who, early on, rose to the level of physicality that Detroit was playing with. He wasn’t part of an effective unit but he played with the kind of focus and intensity this game required when he was out there. Oh, and he hit 2 threes within the flow of the offense. One to close out the first half as time expired. Clutch.
    5. The gritty stats. While we can once again point to a plethora of first half issues defensively we still found a way to win. We outrebounded Detroit by a decent margin (51-39), and did a great job on the offensive glass with 12 boards there (4 of those by DAJ who got the start). Kept the turnovers low when they had crept up early, our defense in the 4th quarter is something I’d like to bottle and save for every single game from here on out and, in general, we found the right kind of hustle this team needs to play with. They stopped relying on talent, stopped begging the refs to bail them out and simply played harder down the stretch for a potentially season-saving and job-saving win. Had we lost (and should we lose either of the next 2 games on the schedule) this will be a losing road trip and ensure we come back no better than .500. Win these next 2 games and everything starts to look a little better: 11-9 with a .500 road record. While not elite, that works for a team that is still figuring out a lot of different things on the fly and waiting for key guys to get back.

    The main thing for the Lakers is to avoid the play in which means a top 6 seeding. 4 or higher would be nice but it’s already looking like 1-3 are going to go to Golden State, Phoenix and Utah in some order or another. That means we have to knock one of Dallas, Denver or the Clippers out of the top 6. With 64 games left that seems doable. Who knows with some injury luck on our end and something unexpected happening to one of those 6 teams there is still more than enough time in the season to make a serious move up the standings. I think the team has enough as-is to compete for the title. If we do make a move it feels like this team plays better with a traditional big man, at least to start halves and play spot minutes leading up to crunch time so I would hope that we’d acquire a player to fill that role rather than split it up between Dwight and DAJ. Heck, one potential solution in my mind is to actually try starting Dwight and letting him play 20+ MPG and DAJ is there in case of foul trouble. Super Man has shown he can hit the three, after all.

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    • Good fiver, Jamie. Personally, I thought the faux post by Shams about the NBA fining Steward $900,000 was real. I mean the Malice at the Palace was a low the NBA never wants to see again. Stewart is going to get a big fine and suspension and should get some counseling. That could have been a major disaster for the NBA had somebody who got in Stewart’s way got hit and hurt.

      1) I thought LeBron looked like the abdominal strain was really bothering him. He was very stiff in posture and had little lift. I saw that hater Hollinger jumped all over that in his article. Bottom line, this was the first time I thought Father Time looked like he was affecting more than just LeBron’s recovery time.

      2) AD and Russ found a way to get it done. I don’t care if it was against the Bad News Bears. Winning without LeBron is something the Lakers desperately need to figure out. That fourth quarter comeback from AD and Russ was the biggest sign yet that they may be able to end the droughts when LBJ sits.

      3) Melo continues to show he is a weapon for this team. Glad to see him coming off the bench. We have lacked this kind of long range shooting off the bench. Now if Ellington and Monk could join the block party off the bench, the Lakers might shed the poor 3-point shooting reputation.

      4) Dwight’s now shooting over 70% from deep, tops on the Lakers. We might have laughed but I’ve seen much better touch on free throws from Dwight and believe that’s because of the effort he has made to learn to shoot threes. When the shot’s there, I don’t mind him taking it. Our new stretch five.

      5) While it looked like the Lakers had not yet hit the bottom during the first three quarters of the Pistons’ game, we finally saw this team finally get a sense of urgency with LeBron ejected that resulted in their best quarter of the year without LBJ as Russ and AD found a way to turn disaster into a gritty win.

    • I also think there’s something to starting two bigs that makes Frank, LeBron, and Anthony more comfortable on the court. That’s why I strongly believe going after an elite two-way center like Turner makes such good sense.

      We know the Lakers want to be the bully ball team so why not double down on that by adding a center who shoots 40% from deep and leads the lead with 3 blocks and 1.7 steals per game? Double down on playing small-ball-on-steroids.

      It’s a move that would transform the Lakers into a dynasty that would continue after LeBron James retired.

      • Aloha. Nice post Jamie. I really didn’t gain much confidence from the comeback. We gave up 99 points through 3 quarters to a team that averages 97. A game. I actually was more encouraged by our loss to the Bucks who finally had their big 3 back then I was by this win. We played with energy the entire game. Like I have said before, it’s not the losses that has bothered me as much as the effort level.

        I agree with you that if we are going to start 2 bugs we should start Dwight. I know he brings energy to the 2nd unit but it seems like the start of the 3rd quarter is when we need that energy the most. Frank likes to let AD play most if not all of the 1st and 3rd quarters so he could bring Dwight out early and bring him back when AD rests. DJ should only get in if there is foul trouble or an injury.

        My half full glass amazingly is still upright. I’m going to withhold judgement on this team until LeBron can string 10 to 15 games together to see how he looks and the rest of our guys come back. It’s easy to see the areas where they all can contribute.

        As far as trades, I’m not holding my breath. I would love to see the Lakers pick up Thad Young at the buyout. It appears that the Spurs have finally decided they are in a rebuild and they are playing their young guys more and Young is playing very little. Hopefully no one trades for him.

    • Thanks guys.

      @Tom I love how you’ve come back around in regards to the center position. I think our choice not to add a younger than DeAndre Jordan center to the roster when we had the chance is going to be a huge issue this season. AD will play at the 5 when the game is on the line, I think we waste some of his elite-weak-side help talent when we relegate him to the 5 for the majority of the game.

      @Michael at this point any miniscule improvement is a welcome one and any win a good one. I’m not sure the team will ever be in a place where we can evaluate them any better than we can right now. Injuries, illness, COVID, NBA what-have-you all have a way of conspiring against that notion. Should it ever come and we see LeBron in a string of games with the key pieces all healthy and contributing in the way Frank envisioned I’ll welcome it but until such tie, this is what we got.

      At any rate, if AD can’t go tonight it likely means a loss and that means a losing road trip and that we will finish no better than .500 20 games in. That’s the barometer I’m using and the team has been, for the most part, fairly underwhelming up to this point. There are flashes here and there of the kind of team this could be, even sans LBJ, but they are utterly unable to sustain anything so far so while the final verdict may still be out there the games still count and the seeding for the playoffs is being defined every week. This team really ought to want to avoid any play-in games.

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