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    Sorry about the utter lack of Fivers, folks. Work has been bananas as we prep for the Spring semester so just haven’t had the band width. Also haven’t had much positive to say about the state of things lately. In all honesty the Lakers are a bit of a bummer these days. I still root, still hope, but see little (if any) light at the end of the tunnel that this season has become.

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    Sorry about the utter lack of Fivers, folks. Work has been bananas as we prep for the Spring semester so just haven’t had the band width. Also haven’t had much positive to say about the state of things lately. In all honesty the Lakers are a bit of a bummer these days. I still root, still hope, but see little (if any) light at the end of the tunnel that this season has become.

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    Ben Simmons gonna lose a whole lotta money this season…

    Could go north of 31 mil by the end of the season. Astounding.

    Kobe did his “I’m pissed at the front office and I don’t like this team at all!” correctly. Simmons just sounds more and more like an out-of-touch buffoon whom I want no part of as a Laker. Kobe got paid, played his way back into the good graces of the fanbase, and helped add a defining aspect to his legacy in the doing. Ben looks and sounds like a teenager who had the wifi locked on him by his parents.

    I’ll bet he skips the rest of the Philly games he could ever play in for the rest of his career. Klutch not looking too smart, either. Anyone who thinks Simmons not playing a single minute is a way to bolster his trade value is insane purely because of the gaping holes in his game on offense. It’s real easy t forget the intangibles a guy brings when you don’t see him bring them. You look at stats and the stats say “pass”. Oh but he’s under contract for like 3 more seasons and we gotta tip toe around his ego like a teenager coming home late from prom? lol, whatta joke…

    Morey will get close to what he wants this summer after so many disappointing and injury-riddled aspects of the season. He’ll either end up in Portland or Sacramento, I bet. Hate living in a Podunk burg like that and make life miserable for whomever traded for him. Repeat of this season… but the team who traded for him now looking for an ever more meager haul because everyone will realize he don’t care about hooping.

    If hooping was in his blood he’d have pulled a Kobe. Public statement in front of his locker in earshot of his teammates “I’ll go play on Pluto.” type thing, city might even still respect him for getting up and going to work like the rest of us everyday. Ben is currently “teaming up” with a lot of clothes brands. Gotta pay that mortgage and those car payments, amiright Ben? Oh, he also managed to tweet that we all deserve equality. Awesome bro, making the most of your time, I see.

    Hooping ain’t in his blood, he’s willing to sit and watch his team put on an absolutely heroic regular season performance without him. If he becomes a Laker I’ll be taking a break, he’s a joke whom I want no part of. That’ll be the final straw for me and Rob Pelinka, as well. Russ may not be the best Laker ever but the dude hasn’t shied away from jack. He takes his lumps, over and over and over to the point I wish he didn’t need to take so many lumps. Don’t see Ben weathering this kind of shot storm of a season like Russ has. Russ, who has barely played with the two guys he wanted to come and play with, who has been tasked with leading a mess of old guys to a playoff spot. Sorry, just no comparison between the two when it comes to heart and character.

    Give me guys like Caruso or Stanley Johnson over a “talent” like Simmons; guys who haven’t had the road paved with gold for them just to throw it all away in a fit of pique. Guys who understand what punching a clock and working for some scrap of recognition means. Give me guys who can’t stand not to hoop, even if it means playing with people who you’re not overly fond of. What’s that old saying? Where there’s a will something or other…

    So here’s my very short and direct open letter to Ben Simmons, which he’ll never read:

    Hey Ben, quite a year, huh? Look I know you have nothing but time so I’ll make this short. An estimated 52.9 million Americans (that’s roughly 1 in 5) suffer from mental illness. The same percentage affects the Australians of the country you were born in, about 4 million (again, about 1 in 5). If you are truly one of them then please, for you and your family and friends, go and get the actual help you need. There will be ways to make money, heck maybe even find your way back to NBA basketball. Just retire and end the drama with your former team. Jim Brown did it and was forever a hero to his community and an advocate for the health of athletes everywhere. He put his money where his mouth was. You could be an even better advocate for athlete mental health than Jim or Kevin Love because you’re young, you understand Twitter and things like that way better than those guys ever will.

    If it’s about the team and the mental health thing is an excuse and/or a mechanism by which you hope to recoup some money via arbitration this summer…well…frankly that’s just about the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard, dude. Follow in the footsteps of just about every pro athlete ever and complain about work while also doing your job. You know, like the rest of planet Earth does every damn day. The person who deserves better owes it to themselves to do the work the right way, to make a stand for something the right way and, in this scenario that person is actually you. Ben you deserve better than what you’re doing with your time right now. Be a man or be an advocate. Don’t be a whiny little bitch, we all know how those kind of people end up, eventually.

    I, at one point, had a decent amount of respect for your game. That has gone now and I hope you can earn it back. Not on the Lakers, mind you, but somewhere, somehow. Whether it be in sport or the real world you can be a better version of you than you are choosing to be right now. Also, and I’m sure you realize this, you’re throwing away the equivalent of the GDP for many small countries. Just another thing to think about, bud. Hope you figure this out and make the right choice: get the help you actually need or go to work.

    Your pal, Jamie

    19 mil and counting

    Ben Simmons gonna lose a whole lotta money this season…

    Could go north of 31 mil by the end of the season. Astounding.

    Kobe did his “I’m pissed at the front office and I don’t like this team at all!” correctly. Simmons just sounds more and more like an out-of-touch buffoon whom I want no part of as a Laker. Kobe got paid, played his way back into the good graces of the fanbase, and helped add a defining aspect to his legacy in the doing. Ben looks and sounds like a teenager who had the wifi locked on him by his parents.

    I’ll bet he skips the rest of the Philly games he could ever play in for the rest of his career. Klutch not looking too smart, either. Anyone who thinks Simmons not playing a single minute is a way to bolster his trade value is insane purely because of the gaping holes in his game on offense. It’s real easy t forget the intangibles a guy brings when you don’t see him bring them. You look at stats and the stats say “pass”. Oh but he’s under contract for like 3 more seasons and we gotta tip toe around his ego like a teenager coming home late from prom? lol, whatta joke…

    Morey will get close to what he wants this summer after so many disappointing and injury-riddled aspects of the season. He’ll either end up in Portland or Sacramento, I bet. Hate living in a Podunk burg like that and make life miserable for whomever traded for him. Repeat of this season… but the team who traded for him now looking for an ever more meager haul because everyone will realize he don’t care about hooping.

    If hooping was in his blood he’d have pulled a Kobe. Public statement in front of his locker in earshot of his teammates “I’ll go play on Pluto.” type thing, city might even still respect him for getting up and going to work like the rest of us everyday. Ben is currently “teaming up” with a lot of clothes brands. Gotta pay that mortgage and those car payments, amiright Ben? Oh, he also managed to tweet that we all deserve equality. Awesome bro, making the most of your time, I see.

    Hooping ain’t in his blood, he’s willing to sit and watch his team put on an absolutely heroic regular season performance without him. If he becomes a Laker I’ll be taking a break, he’s a joke whom I want no part of. That’ll be the final straw for me and Rob Pelinka, as well. Russ may not be the best Laker ever but the dude hasn’t shied away from jack. He takes his lumps, over and over and over to the point I wish he didn’t need to take so many lumps. Don’t see Ben weathering this kind of shot storm of a season like Russ has. Russ, who has barely played with the two guys he wanted to come and play with, who has been tasked with leading a mess of old guys to a playoff spot. Sorry, just no comparison between the two when it comes to heart and character.

    Give me guys like Caruso or Stanley Johnson over a “talent” like Simmons; guys who haven’t had the road paved with gold for them just to throw it all away in a fit of pique. Guys who understand what punching a clock and working for some scrap of recognition means. Give me guys who can’t stand not to hoop, even if it means playing with people who you’re not overly fond of. What’s that old saying? Where there’s a will something or other…

    So here’s my very short and direct open letter to Ben Simmons, which he’ll never read:

    Hey Ben, quite a year, huh? Look I know you have nothing but time so I’ll make this short. An estimated 52.9 million Americans (that’s roughly 1 in 5) suffer from mental illness. The same percentage affects the Australians of the country you were born in, about 4 million (again, about 1 in 5). If you are truly one of them then please, for you and your family and friends, go and get the actual help you need. There will be ways to make money, heck maybe even find your way back to NBA basketball. Just retire and end the drama with your former team. Jim Brown did it and was forever a hero to his community and an advocate for the health of athletes everywhere. He put his money where his mouth was. You could be an even better advocate for athlete mental health than Jim or Kevin Love because you’re young, you understand Twitter and things like that way better than those guys ever will.

    If it’s about the team and the mental health thing is an excuse and/or a mechanism by which you hope to recoup some money via arbitration this summer…well…frankly that’s just about the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard, dude. Follow in the footsteps of just about every pro athlete ever and complain about work while also doing your job. You know, like the rest of planet Earth does every damn day. The person who deserves better owes it to themselves to do the work the right way, to make a stand for something the right way and, in this scenario that person is actually you. Ben you deserve better than what you’re doing with your time right now. Be a man or be an advocate. Don’t be a whiny little bitch, we all know how those kind of people end up, eventually.

    I, at one point, had a decent amount of respect for your game. That has gone now and I hope you can earn it back. Not on the Lakers, mind you, but somewhere, somehow. Whether it be in sport or the real world you can be a better version of you than you are choosing to be right now. Also, and I’m sure you realize this, you’re throwing away the equivalent of the GDP for many small countries. Just another thing to think about, bud. Hope you figure this out and make the right choice: get the help you actually need or go to work.

    Your pal, Jamie

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    • I’m amazed at the vitriol fans have for Ben Simmons. I’d love a shot at getting Ben on the Lakers because we would then have three legitimate defensive stoppers who could guard all five positions at all three levels of the court.

      What we’re seeing is the continued evolution of player freedom from the professional slave market being deployed by Rich Paul. Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, John Wall. All three players who want for whatever reason to take control of their careers and play where or for whom they prefer. Ben’s willing to pay the fines. John just wants to play. And AD got where and with whom he wanted to play. All of us would want the same in our jobs.

      I look at Simmons and Wall as opportunities for the Lakers and Klutch to continue their partnership. Player freedom for Klutch. NBA championships for Lakers. Westbrook for Wall or Westbrook for Simmons are almost too logical not to eventually happen.

      I also believe we’re all fans of the Lakers and not any one player.

      • As I understand it, a contract is a mutually agreed upon arrangement whereby one side delivers a product, services etc. and the other side pays for them.

        This quote of yours: “What we’re seeing is the continued evolution of player freedom from the professional slave market being deployed by Rich Paul. Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, John Wall.”

        Is. Absurd.

        AD at least worked with the Pelicans to something that, sorta kinda, worked to the benefit of both parties but it still rubs me wrong to this day. Houston told John he would not be a major part of the rotation and he agreed to stay away from the team in order to rehab and look for a potential landing spot to his liking.

        Ben bailed. He issued an ultimatum, the 76ers called he and Rich’s asinine bluff and now both Ben and Rich likely stand to lose come coin in the doing. AD is lucky he signed his extension after winning a ring. He ain’t been great since, that’s for sure.

        free a·gent
        /frē ˈājənt/

        noun
        a person who does not have any commitments that restrict their actions.
        a sports player who is not bound by a contract and so is eligible to join any team.

        I dunno, maybe Ben and Rich shoulda thought harder, like a lot fucking harder, about where and with whom Ben would want to play for the 4 years he signed for. It’s not a goddamn yacht club where you just pick whom you want to drink with, they made a choice.

        Slave markets??? jeeeeeezzzzzzuuuuuuusssss…

        • Take any business you want on planet Earth. Literally any other business and if someone signs a contract but then skips out on their end they get their ass handed to them in court. But poor, woebegone Ben Simmons and Rich Paul are tied to the whipping post and lashed in the face of their freedoms?

          How is an NBA GM supposed to function if you sign a guy for 4 years, then he goes “Golly…you know what I don’t really want to play here anymore. The salary, of course, is wonderful and do let’s keep that aspect of our tidy little relationship going. But the part where I show up and do stuff for that money…you know, I’m good on that. Good luck and keep mailing dem checks boy-o!”

          That is just the biggest helping of poppycock horseshit I can imagine. Truly.

          Like an Uber driver says there gonna pick you up. See’s a high society well-to-do type person across the street from you and leaves your ass on the side of the road. That’s the “slave market” world you seem to be really excited to see the NBA enter.

          Astounding.

    • 100% Buba. He’s lost control of basically the entire situation. What leverage he thinks he has/had evaporated long ago, in my opinion. The summer could see something shake loose but I, for one, applaud what Morey and the 76ers are doing as an organization. It rubbed me wrong, and frankly still does, the way AD forced his way out of New Orleans. In that situation at least the team and AD came to the conclusion that his playing would be a distraction and they would hold him out of home games and ultimately the rest of the season once it had gone down the drain.

      The76ers are doing just fine without Ben Simmons so it’s not like he can say he’s the difference between a non-playoff team and a contending one, he’s not. If anything it would seem he made it harder for Joel Embiid to excel although JE’s health has always been a huge issue.

      The length of his deal is a turnoff, he hasn’t played so we can’t see all the wonderful work he put into year 3 of him working on his jump shot and so on. You’re obviously not getting a competitor because he’s A) not playing and B) is shy about shooting pretty much any shot. He’s terrible from the free throw line. You’re basically getting a Tony Allen skillset without anything close to a Tony Allen mentality or fire.

      What’s amazing to me is just about everything he’s done has made it harder for him to get what he wants. Not playing, taking the mental health issue to absurd lengths in order to keep a shred of hope of recouping some of his money

      Hard pass on Ben. Like you said, if he makes hay somewhere else I will happily tip my cap and wish him well. If he’s truly suffering I hope he gets real help. If he’s faking I have absolutely no pity for the guy. I’ll be very curious to see how the arbitration process for him will go this summer. As I understand it he’ll have a chance to litigate whether he is owed some or all of the money that’s been withheld (which is why the 76ers are putting it in an escrow account and not banking it) but I’m not sure who arbitrates that. The league? A neutral 3rd party I would hope since you can imagine the league would be behind the 76ers stance. Regardless I hope the process is both thorough and fair. Don’t want anyone to suffer, also really really really don’t like quitters.

    • Rob gonna be fired along with Frank this summer for this sad state of affairs DJ. We ain’t trading our broken poker chips for a new RV with all the bells and whistles. We either gird our loins and get it done in-house or it ain’t getting done.

      Ben Simmons fixes nothing for the Lakers. Just makes them look more like the tools of Rich Paul and unable to figure out how to win without him. Jeannie won’t like that look, although seeing how they treated Jerry West makes me wonder a whole lot about what’s going on behind the scenes these days…

      Incredible that the team has fallen so far, so fast and with so much pedigree (granted most of it is well-aged pedigree) on the roster but that’s were we be.

    • I want no part of this dude and I’ve felt like this all the way back to how he conducted himself at LSU. If he has some type of mental illness then that’s not a whole lot different from having bad knees or chronic back issues…wouldn’t touch a player with that injury history either. My guess is that he’ll get a chunk of that money back in arbitration if he can show he’s being treated for any type of mental issue.

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    5 Things: Lakers lose to Hawks and fall to season worst 3 games under .500

    Anyone still out there preaching patience? I didn’t think so. The Lakers Road Trip From Hell ended the way so many things have ended for the Lakers this season: with a loss followed by some clichés. We’re well past the point of clichés and moral victories. Team Oxygen gave life to another sub .500 team. If only we could breathe some into ourselves…

    1. A tale of two AD’s. Davis in the first half? Nigh unstoppable. 6-8 from the floor, 6-6 from the free throw line, 1-1 from three and beasting like we know he can. Second half AD? Borderline non-existent going 2-8 including letting a lob from Westbrook he just let slip through his hands. Add in missing all three free throws, grabbing a meager 5 rebounds overall and you have a recipe for why the Lakers came up short in this game. Davis has a history of pulling a Bilbo Baggins: when the going gets tough, AD magically vanishes. The outliers, at this point, are the times he can find a higher gear and kick into it successfully; like hitting the game-wining three against Denver in The Bubble. When you see his rebounding numbers without a traditional center on the floor it’s kind of amazing. The guy seems to rebound better when there is another big man on the floor. When he’s the main guy down low it’s like he forgets to box out, forgets to jump, or gets stuck on the perimeter guarding a PG on a switch and his man is just rolling hard to the rim. That last knock is for the team and not AD specifically, you gotta cover your big man when he covers for you or else there will be a dunk scored on you in the near future.
    2. Keep Monk no matter what. The one thing I can say with certainty about this season is that we need to keep Malik Monk on the team at all costs. Come Hell or high water that guy needs to stay in the purple and gold. Monk had a career high as a Laker last night, shot a ridiculous 8-14 from three and hardly got a shot attempt during the last 5 minutes of the game except for a three which got us close again. Frank needs to do better and it’s well past time he started along with LeBron (whenever he comes back), AD and Russ. 5th starter should be match up-based. End of discussion.
    3. The ever-shrinking THT role on this team. Only problem with that is he’s played his way right out of any meaningful trade scenarios one cares to concoct. At this point I’d basically hold onto him in order to possibly help facilitate a Russ trade this summer, free up cap space to sign Monk, or just wait and see if he plays better in year 4. 14 minutes but he did make most of his shots. However, it’s the defensive end that is the reason for his ever-shrinking minute allotment. THT hasn’t taken a step forward this season as the Lakers banked he would, to the team’s detriment on all fronts.
    4. Onyeka Okongwu…ALL STAR!!! At least he looked like it down the stretch as he made dunk after dunk after dunk after dunk after…well, you get the picture. 6 straight dunks down the stretch of the 4th quarter most of them with Davis “guarding” him. The Lakers had absolutely zero answers for the Young Okongwu pick and roll or the team failed to box him out and he grabbed an offensive rebound late, as well. Team Oxygen strikes again.
    5. 11 points given away at the free throw line. Sure, the Hawks and whiny, floppy Trae Young shot 9 more free throws than we did. Doesn’t seem like more free throws taken was what we needed, just needed to make more of the ones we got. Every starter that took one missed one, AD and Russ each missed three. Hard to win on the road when you lose the free throw battle, the points in the paint battle, the rebounding battle, the fast-break points battle and oh wait…we won the three point battle. Whee.

    Not gonna lie, just don’t see much getting better until LeBron comes back and even then…I don’t know. This team doesn’t defend very well, maybe they will a little better when healthy but we basically have to outscore our opponents cause we ain’t stopping jack this season. We don’t force bad shots, we sieve points in the paint no matter who plays center, and we can’t get out on the break like we know this team needs to in order to have success because we don’t force turnovers. Trade THT for _________ who makes $10ish million? OK, sure, feels like a lateral move unless it’s for a solid center who can let AD slide (slink at this point) back to the 4. We don’t need a volume three point shooter who won’t defend any better than guys we already have, we need help in the paint to stem one of the three major areas we hemorrhage points from. To me that means a center, I don’t give a fig if he can shoot a three pointer or not. That is not why we need them or what this team needs more of. We need defense.

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    • Good post Jamie, I am as frustrated as you. But to be fair this was the Hawks 7th straight win since they started getting their guys back. That streak included wins over the Bucks and the Heat, so they are definitely on a roll. You are right about our switch everything defense, our backside rotations were atrocious. A result of not a lot of reps together? Possibly. Would LeBron made better rotations? Probably. Still it has to be hammered out ASAP. As for Monk, it really is going to come down what Westbrook does. Probably not going to find a trade but perhaps Russ pull a CP3 and opts out for more money over more years. It would be even be better if he found it with another team. Lol.

    • Thanks for the Fiver, Jamie. Much appreciated. Not easy after games like this.

      1. A tale of two AD’s. When AD pulls this, it makes me wonder whether he’ll ever be the alpha the Lakers will need once LeBron retires, Right now, he’s looking more and more like a Beta. Davis’ defense down the stretch was a sham. Lakers should prioritize trading for Myles Turner. Lakers need size and rim protection.

      2. Keep Monk no matter what. The biggest reason for trading Russ is it helping our ability to keep Monk. Only other way to keep Malik would be Russ declining his Player Option and re-signing for $100M over 4 years to enable the Lakers to re-sign Monk with the full $10M MLE, which would hard cap us. Otherwise, best we can give Monk will be $4.5M per year.

      3. The ever-shrinking THT role on this team. I said the biggest mistake the Lakers made last season was refusing to trade THT for Kyle Lowry. I said back then that mistake would haunt us this year and it certainly has. Maybe Pelinka’s biggest mistake. All told, these mistakes are like lowering our floor and ceiling.

      4. Onyeka Okongwu. Just today’s unknown big who has a career day against the small ball on midget guards Lakers. Again, time for Lakers to go for Turner. He would let us play super big or small on steroids. Elite rim protections and stretch five shooter. I would even trade THT for a center like Nerlens Noel.

      5. 11 points given away at the free throw line. Frankly, we’re just getting jobbed by the refs every game. The zebras gave Hawks 9 more free throws than the Lakers. The difference in the game was 8 points.

      Until LeBron returns, we won’t know anything. We’re looking more and more like a play-in team at best. Our only hope may be LeBron getting a few weeks rest and coming back healthy and rested before the playoffs like in the bubble.

      This season will either ends in wimper or a bang. Right now, doesn’t look like we’ll be needed ear plugs.

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    If a trade happens (likely won’t) it’ll be on the last day. We don’t have anything close to premium assets. When you see that other teams have:

    A) 1st rounders that can be used within the next 5 years.
    B) Rotational players who can produce more consistently and better than THT has shown he can.
    C) More than just Vet minimum filler to toss in.
    D) Aren’t trying to make a player who has yet to see the floor a secondary centerpiece.

    It should become pretty obvious that we’re not functioning from a position of strength on the trade market. Add in the fact that probably zero teams want to do us favors (like NOLA tweaking the AD deal at this point or Sacramento taking our calls after the bridges got burned this summer) and the likelihood we make a deal prior to the last couple of hours before the deadline passes becomes basically nil.

    Furthermore, Jeannie has said she wants to see this work as-is before blowing it up. So now you have about 2 weeks prior to the deadline. That’s 8 games. They’re gonna use those games to see what they have. If the Lakers are an incredible 6-2 over the next 8 I think they stand pat barring a no-brainer offer.

    They need to hold onto the nearly next decade 1st rounder in order to make a Westbrook deal this summer a possibility. Nobody trading for him in a straight swap unless it’s for a busted up, broken down player like John Wall (Achilles, knee) or a someone who claims the pressure of playing in Philly is simply too much…but LA would be great!!! That would of course be Ben Simmons.

    I don’t see us getting Simmons. If Kyrie holds out on not getting vaxxed he won’t be eligible for playoff home games which basically means the Nets, who are likely to have homecourt advantage through at least the 1st 2 rounds, will be playing a superstar down in the games they should have the best shot of winning. That means that Brooklyn will be faced with potentially choosing between a grumpy James Harden and an enigmatic Kyrie Irving. My guess is one of them goes to Philly in a Ben Simmons deal at that point. Likely Harden.

    I don’t see the logic in John Wall. Like many, many, many players before him he has suffered injuries to the things he relies on the most to excel at the game of basketball: his legs. Knee and Achilles injuries for speedy PG’s who aren’t great at shooting are a big red X to me. Others may feel differently but I don’t get the fascination at trading for a guy who is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one for even more than Russ will be paid and he hasn’t even played. heck, let’s see what Brandon Roy has left in the tank while we’re knocking on fantasy doors.

    Lastly, this is a mess of Rob’s own creation. He either needed to fight harder in terms of his desire to trade for a lesser talent but a theoretically better fit (although, really, if one is honest simply running it back and adding Monk and Melo for the departed Gasol and Drummond would have been lightning in a bottle moves that cost us z-e-r-o draft capital buuuuuuuut nooooOOOOoooooo…) or he needed to convince ownership that going down this route meant using all the spending tools at their disposal better than they did. Instead we over-traded and followed it up by fielding the rest of the squad on the cheap.

    Bird Rights for Caruso? Wasted and tossed, not even a trade exception…which can be let expire with literally zero penalty should one choose not to use it. Using Dennis in a sign and trade instead of letting him walk for nothing? Nope, we don’t like how he spurned us so screw that guy AND we’re screwing ourselves, too! That’ll show everyone I know how to do this job. Absurd moves that are probably going to cost us a shot at even making the conference finals to say nothing of banner 18.

    This could end really well. AD could be the thing that turns the ship around, drives us on defense and is a release valve on offense for Russ and his drives. THT could rediscover his game post-trade deadline. Some of the guys we brought in to shoot might even start hitting some more shots. After the deadline and the ASB teams have a way of, I dunno, re-discovering their mojo and renewing their focus. Maybe that can be us this season.

    This could also go even further south. THT never amounts to anything but a “Hey, do you want this young guy?!” trading chip, AD continues to waffle between elite and really good, and the guys we brought in to shoot just keep right on missing. If we miss the playoffs, heck if we squeak in via the playin, the summer will get far more interesting than the trade deadline.

    So here’s hoping it ends well. Best to hope for improvement from within at this point. The Pau trade won’t be rolling down the hill again any time soon, teams have gotten a lot smarter since then. Turner is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one so Indy has literally no impetus to trade him for spare parts and crappy picks. They can afford to wait because he’s on an affordable deal. Same as last year and the year before. Broken down players won’t save the season. Guys who haven’t played this season for whatever reason won’t save the season. A lateral move won’t save the season.

    Playing harder, competing consistently…them’s the only things that can save the season.

    Go Lakers.

    Waiting Game

    If a trade happens (likely won’t) it’ll be on the last day. We don’t have anything close to premium assets. When you see that other teams have:

    A) 1st rounders that can be used within the next 5 years.
    B) Rotational players who can produce more consistently and better than THT has shown he can.
    C) More than just Vet minimum filler to toss in.
    D) Aren’t trying to make a player who has yet to see the floor a secondary centerpiece.

    It should become pretty obvious that we’re not functioning from a position of strength on the trade market. Add in the fact that probably zero teams want to do us favors (like NOLA tweaking the AD deal at this point or Sacramento taking our calls after the bridges got burned this summer) and the likelihood we make a deal prior to the last couple of hours before the deadline passes becomes basically nil.

    Furthermore, Jeannie has said she wants to see this work as-is before blowing it up. So now you have about 2 weeks prior to the deadline. That’s 8 games. They’re gonna use those games to see what they have. If the Lakers are an incredible 6-2 over the next 8 I think they stand pat barring a no-brainer offer.

    They need to hold onto the nearly next decade 1st rounder in order to make a Westbrook deal this summer a possibility. Nobody trading for him in a straight swap unless it’s for a busted up, broken down player like John Wall (Achilles, knee) or a someone who claims the pressure of playing in Philly is simply too much…but LA would be great!!! That would of course be Ben Simmons.

    I don’t see us getting Simmons. If Kyrie holds out on not getting vaxxed he won’t be eligible for playoff home games which basically means the Nets, who are likely to have homecourt advantage through at least the 1st 2 rounds, will be playing a superstar down in the games they should have the best shot of winning. That means that Brooklyn will be faced with potentially choosing between a grumpy James Harden and an enigmatic Kyrie Irving. My guess is one of them goes to Philly in a Ben Simmons deal at that point. Likely Harden.

    I don’t see the logic in John Wall. Like many, many, many players before him he has suffered injuries to the things he relies on the most to excel at the game of basketball: his legs. Knee and Achilles injuries for speedy PG’s who aren’t great at shooting are a big red X to me. Others may feel differently but I don’t get the fascination at trading for a guy who is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one for even more than Russ will be paid and he hasn’t even played. heck, let’s see what Brandon Roy has left in the tank while we’re knocking on fantasy doors.

    Lastly, this is a mess of Rob’s own creation. He either needed to fight harder in terms of his desire to trade for a lesser talent but a theoretically better fit (although, really, if one is honest simply running it back and adding Monk and Melo for the departed Gasol and Drummond would have been lightning in a bottle moves that cost us z-e-r-o draft capital buuuuuuuut nooooOOOOoooooo…) or he needed to convince ownership that going down this route meant using all the spending tools at their disposal better than they did. Instead we over-traded and followed it up by fielding the rest of the squad on the cheap.

    Bird Rights for Caruso? Wasted and tossed, not even a trade exception…which can be let expire with literally zero penalty should one choose not to use it. Using Dennis in a sign and trade instead of letting him walk for nothing? Nope, we don’t like how he spurned us so screw that guy AND we’re screwing ourselves, too! That’ll show everyone I know how to do this job. Absurd moves that are probably going to cost us a shot at even making the conference finals to say nothing of banner 18.

    This could end really well. AD could be the thing that turns the ship around, drives us on defense and is a release valve on offense for Russ and his drives. THT could rediscover his game post-trade deadline. Some of the guys we brought in to shoot might even start hitting some more shots. After the deadline and the ASB teams have a way of, I dunno, re-discovering their mojo and renewing their focus. Maybe that can be us this season.

    This could also go even further south. THT never amounts to anything but a “Hey, do you want this young guy?!” trading chip, AD continues to waffle between elite and really good, and the guys we brought in to shoot just keep right on missing. If we miss the playoffs, heck if we squeak in via the playin, the summer will get far more interesting than the trade deadline.

    So here’s hoping it ends well. Best to hope for improvement from within at this point. The Pau trade won’t be rolling down the hill again any time soon, teams have gotten a lot smarter since then. Turner is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one so Indy has literally no impetus to trade him for spare parts and crappy picks. They can afford to wait because he’s on an affordable deal. Same as last year and the year before. Broken down players won’t save the season. Guys who haven’t played this season for whatever reason won’t save the season. A lateral move won’t save the season.

    Playing harder, competing consistently…them’s the only things that can save the season.

    Go Lakers.

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    • Great post Jamie, I couldn’t agree more. I actually was going to write something similar. A big problem is this is a sellers market. You never know who will pop up at the deadline but currently not a lot of names out there because of the play in playoffs we’re almost all the teams still in the hunt. And the names out there will require a lot to make a trade. I mean OKC wants a 1st for Kenrich Williams😬 and you touched on another key factor. All the names out there are under contract so there is no urgency for teams to take a lesser deal. With the recent rash of injuries to shooters we may actually be able to get a draft pick for Wayne. And the buyout market maybe even worse. There are no rumors at all concerning teams buying out vets. We simply do not have the assets to compete for the small pool of available players.

      • It’s also still in the time zone for a GM to ask high, lotta time left for a deal to get done. No need to sell low, yet. We could still, in theory, win an odd game of musical chairs where we’re the last team offering something before the music stops. A bad Laker offer right at the deadline might be better for some team or other.

        But, based on what we have to offer, I just don’t see any moves of impact that we’ll make. Everything we have to offer, and also the targets we are in theory pursuing, will all be better available with the passage of time. Westbrook’s deal? Has slightly more value this summer. Same goes for Turner, although honestly I can easily see a team like Indy giving Rick more time (by that I mean all the way up until the trade deadline for next season) so unless Carlisle says “ship him out”, why bother taking a small return? That timeline is what works against the Lakers who are functioning on LeBron’s timeline and teams know that. they will, smartly, try to extract a little more blood from the rock and we shouldn’t fall prey to that.

        Yes, we want to win now but if it costs us everything and we don’t then all we’ve done is both screw up the present and the future. Take your lumps now, get back up with more tools to use and build a better future.

    • 2 more weeks of this trade speculation nonsense. What a waste of time & energy. Just show me the baby.

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    5 Things: Full Laker team takes down Nets

    It’s been awhile but the three centerpieces the Lakers envisioned leading a ragtag squad of vet minimum deals to an NBA championship took the floor together for the first time in a long time. Russell Westbrook, LeBron James and Anthony Davis led the Lakers to a needed win over the Nets who were without Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, Paul Milsap and Joe Harris. The Lakers know the injury routine and did the right thing by not allowing the Nets to get anyone other than James Harden going. Here’s hoping the trio stays healthy and grows together over the rest of the season and start finding a way forward.

    1. A starting five that makes sense to me. If you look at the total points scored by the starting 5 (69) and the fact that 33 of them were scored by one man (LeBron James) that the line up is unbalanced. While that could prove true on offense defensively this line up works. Taking Ariza out and inserting Stanley Johnson at the 4 allows LeBron to play his preferred position of small forward. With a front court of Davis, Johnson and James you have size, strength and speed. All three can guard 1-5, with help, and it allows Russ and Bradley to work on forcing guys away from their strengths on the perimeter. Nobody stops a good NBA player, you take something away. Bradley is good, if not still great, at doing that. What he’s been missing, as has the entire team, has been an elite defender in his prime in the paint. Dwight isn’t that guy anymore, he needs to be used in match ups that allow him to be bruising and vertical, he’s not as mobile as he was even two seasons ago. COVID hasn’t helped him, either, as he looks like he’s getting winded quicker than I’ve ever seen him.
    2. Ariza’s DNP-CD. I applaud Trevor for being a gamer and going out and trying his hardest. It’s not his fault he’s old, it happens to everyone. But Trevor needs to work on his shot off the floor and get his legs back in some meaningful way before he sees a bigger role. Spot minutes up until the All Star break, garbage time minutes and role of “break glass in case of emergency” are what we need from him right now. I think he can be helpful in certain situations in a 7 game series and his presence in the locker room as both an NBA champ and vet is useful. On the court his game needs a lot of work and it feels unfair to demand a lot of him right now. Keep your head up, keep working, that shot will come back and hopefully you can make some plays in the playoffs when your number is called.
    3. Malik Monk microwave scorer. While I think Monk works as a starter it’s probably better for the team if he comes off the bench in a role like we saw last night. The ebbs and flows of an NBA game are real, when starters go out and the bench come in the dynamics of the game change. Guys let down a lot of the time when they see a superstar take the pine for a break. Monk can exploit those moments better than any other Laker off the bench right now. Maybe Nunn could as well, he hasn’t played and who knows how long it’ll take for him to get up to game speed when he does. Frankly, we can’t keep waiting for guys anymore anyhow. Monk was the second leading scorer for the team off the bench in a performance that reminded me of super sub Lou Williams. One of three Lakers to reach double figures in scoring with 22 and he shot the ball great. If w can count on Monk for something akin to this every game, maybe get some spot starts depending or if a guy needs a game off or something, we have some pieces on the board we can start to count on consistently.
    4. Gotta love Melo. They’re not all smart or good shots, he’s borderline absurd when it comes to shot selection honestly, and his defense can be more of a grabbing pushing kinda thing but…I don’t care. You need a gunner with no conscience and with Anthony you get that. There are things he doesn’t bring to the table and I get that, not every player is perfect…well, maybe LeBron is…but other than that you get warts of one kind or another. That’s where the coach comes in and, as we’ve seen, Frank may not be the best regular season coach but is great at adjustments in 7 game series.
    5. The young guys. I don’t count Monk in this one, he’s in his 5th year. THT and Austin Reaves are whom I consider to be the young guys and are what will potentially be the building blocks of a future version of the Lakers or chips to cash in on a trade. I don’t see much happening simply because our best offer is essentially a salary dump. Monk and Nunn don’t come with any kind of Bird Rights and will be difficult to retain in the summer for almost every team, THT has honestly taken a pretty large step back in his game and doesn’t feel worth the price we’re paying for him. Reaves has hit the rookie wall, at least in terms of his shot-making ability although he still has a lot of hustle. Those are the trading chips. The ghosts of Kent Bazemore and DeAndre Jordan aren’t making a GM any more excited than any of us get when we hear their names. I actually like Kent and am glad he’s on the team, I still see him having an impact at some point on down the line and both he and DAJ have accepted their fate with grace and style. But including either in a trade is ridiculous, honestly, nobody wants those guys. Reaves and Monk move needles but we’ll need them so unless it’s for someone who improves the defense and the offense you have to say no.

    Another good test against a more complete team looms in Philly tomorrow. We need to keep winning now, the Clippers have found a groove, Denver is playing better and better, the Timberwolves are playing their best basketball in years and Dallas has caught fire. That’s the competition right now. We need to win 30 games before we lose 27, obviously the fewer the losses the better. Need to move up the .500’s towards a .600 winning percentage if we want to be taken seriously and create the foundation for a winning culture this season. Treading water is no longer an option.

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    • Two things I didn’t like at all were the incredible amount of offensive rebounds we gave up to the smaller Nets and the number of fouls we got called for but that they did not. Getting more than irksome.

      • Nice Post Jamie, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. I feel the same way about Monk. I can see value in both starting and off the bench. I think once Nunn is back, it could free Malik for the first unit. I agree that it is all about now. Finishes the trip 4-2 would be good. 5-1 would be great. Embid will get his, it’s important to limit the other guys. The one thing I do disagree with is LeBron was pretty much at the 4 slot on defense. It was a little hard to tell with all the switching but Stanley started each defensive set on the perimeter. He was the one that generally met harden before passing him off to the next guy. That’s what I love about Stanley he can switch 1 through 5.

        • re: LeBron at the whatever. I think the switching everything on the perimeter is what works for this team and SJ activates that power a lot better than TA does at the moment. I hope we can move up to a better trapping, pressure defense like we saw last season, not sure we have the guys or moxie to get it done.

          • Dennis was the main reason for pressure defense last year. Guarded full court against all competition. Perhaps Nunn is the guy that will be able to do that. I know Tom wants to trade him for a 33 year old because he can shoot 3’s. But I haven’t forgotten how good he is on both sides of the ball and I doubt the front office has either. It’s one thing trading him for a stud like Grant, it’s much different trading him for another old guy that’s not nearly as good except he is on a career hot streek from deep, that may not even be sustainable.

            • I’ve actually been high on Nunn and the fact that he hasn’t played and may not before Feb 10 won’t help move the needle on him. Yeah, teams would love him instead of DJ and Baze and while THT is a poor fit, Nunn s/b a good fit for our small ball on steroids.

              I have a lot of scenarios where we end up being able to keep Nunn and where he might exercise his player option for the second year so we can keep him long term. I certainly like his fit better than Talen’s, which has become untenable.

              Are their older players for whom I would trade Nunn along with THT and the pick? Grant, Turner, Trent Jr, Gordon come to mind. Grant and Turner appear long shots now. Trent Jr. or Gordon or Wood appear more feasible and they would immediately push Bradley to the bench, where he belongs. Upgraded two guard could be the best we can do with a couple of small moves for bigger 3&D wings.

              That could be enough if LeBron can play offense like he has and AD defense like he’s capable. One good trade, dump a bunch of min contracts, and grab some better fits in the buyout market. It’s a long shot but possible.

            • Also, when it comes to who would be in greater demand by contending NBA teams, Kendrick Nunn is just a shot in the dark compared to what Eric Gordon would bring to the Lakers or any NBA team out there. Treating Gordon like the one notch over minimum salary player that Nunn is right now is naive. Gordon would be a championship addition similar to what P.J. Tucker was for the Bucks. Nunn is what he is, a player who still may be 2 months from seeing the hardwood.

              There are almost zero basketball analysts who would think the unproven Kendrick Nunn ($5M/Yr) would be preferred talent wise over a proven elite defender and 3-point shooter like Eric Gordon ($18.2M/Yr). Gordon will be one of most coveted players by the deadline. As Eric Pincus says, Nunn is not a plus trading chip. In fact, he’s likely to opt into that second year and $5M this summer. He is no championship starting shooting guard like Eric Gordon or Gary Trent, Jr. could be for the Lakers.

              The main reason I’m not a fan of starting Monk or Nunn is they’re just 6′ 3″ and get hunted every single possession. Now Nunn has some athleticism and hops to compete and Nunn does too but you cannot put 6′ 3″ defenders on James Harden or his ilk and get away with it. Russ at 6′ 3′ needs an elite defender who won’t be hunted to completement him. Eric Gordon could be the Lakers best option to fill that role.

    • Goodday, Jamie, and Thanks for the Fiver:

      1. A starting five that makes sense? I guess close counts with Vogel lineups like it does with horse shoes. On the surface, I thought Avery played as well as he could, scoring 9 points on 4 of 8 shooting with 2 steals against Harden. Looking behind the box score, Avery had a second worst on the team -10.6 net rating for the 24 minutes he played. Onlly worse was Kent Bazement. Why do I not want Bradley as a starter? He cannot stay in front of his man. He hunts, pecks, and nibbles but ultimately gets blown by. His DefRtg last night was team worse 123.4, Monk or Reaves should be the starting two guard. Ultimately, it may be the player we trade THT, Nunn, and FRP for. Otherwise, yes, better lineup.

      2. Ariza DNP. Frank is like Satan, he’ll lure you into his nightmare by finally and belatedly accepted Ariza is washed and put him on the same shelf it took him months/weeks to stop wasting time with DJ, Baze, and Wayne. The proverbial Island of Misfit Toys. How long before he finally puts Bradley on that same shelf? The funnist tweet I saw yesterdayt called Avery Bradley as Frank Vogel’s boyfriend. That should tell you how long it will take. The bad news is we’re not going to get Jerami Grant. The good news is we might be able to get a shooting guard like Gordon or Trent Jr.

      3. Monkrowave! Starter or 6MOY candidate? I love Malik coming off the bench and think that’s where he should stay. The tri of Monk, Melo, and Reaves coming into the game with shooting, smarts, and defense needs to be saved. Maybe add Nunn to that group soon too, That’s the framework of a great 9-man rotation. I see the Lakers more likely to trade for Eric Gordon or Gary Trent Jr., a bigger (6′ 5″ or 6′ 6″) 3&D shooting guard to complement Russ. That’s whom I expect to be the starting shooting guard going forward.

      4. Nothing to do but love Melo. His midrange game along with LeBron’s post up game are our version of Booker and CP3 or PG and Kawhi. Having deadly midrange shooters adds to our versatility. All we need is more size in the form of one more stretch 4 and one more stretch 5.

      5. The young guys. I still see Monk as a young guy. He’s only started one game in his NBA career outside of the Lakers. Anyway, Monk, Reaves, THT, and Nunn is a good quartet of young talent. Wish they weren’t all guards but I see THT and Nunn as likely being swapped for a 4 or 5. Do agree Lakers need to be getting a real star to give up Reaves or Monk. So there is still a line in the sand we cannot go over.

      I continue to disagree with you regarding the Lakers making moves. There will be opportunities. Rob just needs to get creative. In the end, the Lakers will move THT, Nunn, and the FRP for the best fitting starter at the two or three they can get plus other minor moves for players like Holiday to fix our size issues at the 3.

      • I think Bradley helps set a defensive tone. He will not atop guys and frankly I doubt there is a single player in the NBA that can consistently prevent the greats from getting to their spots. He was guarding James a lot and held his own, that’s what you want. Also, the rest of the team did it’s job better in that we didn’t become Team Oxygen and give some no-name-Joe a career night. Clean up the fouls and the rebounding issues and we’re right where we want to be on D.

        Hard for me to see a move happening. We have so little to offer and other teams have been stockpiling picks better. Any major move will likely involve an overpay of either a young player or picks which I don’t see as being smart. Could see something, I guess but I highly doubt it. Same as last year.

        • Bradley is just this year’s version of Dennis Schroeder, a player who wants you and the player he’s guarding to think he’s going to shut you down but is always a step or two too slow and gets beat and allows his man to turn the corner to the rim. Lots of reaches and steal attempts don’t mean anything if the defender can use a screen to scrape you off like dog dung as he attacks the rim.

          There’s a fundamental reason why players like Bradley and Schroeder never show the stats to back their supposed strong point of attack defense. The reason is most of what they do is fake activity that accomplishes nothing but somehow convincing Frank Vogel that Avery Bradley played good defense last night despite having the second worst defensive rating after Kent Bazemore.

          Even with two beautiful steals on Harden, Avery had a team worse 123.4 defensive rating and second team worse negative 10.6 net rating. Yeah, that’s the kind of defense that kept Andre Drummond, DeAndre Jordan, Kent Bazemore, and recently Trevor Ariza thriving in Frank Vogel’s lineups.

          AVERY BRADLEY IS NOT A CHAMPIONSHIP NBA STARTER.

          • Tom I don’t think I’m the one that’s naïve. Thinking you can get a 23 year old player like Trent Jr for our package is naive. Same goes for Wood, although I doubt if the Lakers even have any interest in him. As for Gordon, you are basing everything on who Gordon was, not what he is now. By the way he’s only 6’ 3” also if you didn’t know, wouldn’t he be hunted as well? As for 3 point shooting goes, sure he has shot a higher percentage than Nunn did last year. But here is the reality. Nunn made 2.2 3’s on 5.7 attempts, Gordon 2.3 makes on 5.1 attempts. Not an huge difference maker. Nunn is 26 with young legs and is the better defender then 33 year old Gordon. And he will be under contract through age 35. On top of it all you want to throw in THT who for better or worse is our best trade chip. Who do you think teams this summer will prefer a 22 year old THT or a 34 year old Gordon.? Considering we don’t utilize our 3 point shooters constantly it’s going to be an improved defense that will win games. Beside Nunn can play the point as well as the 2. He can defend quick point guards. Gordon isn’t that guy any more. Oh one last thing. Gordon shot under 32% the prior 2 years and he has never approached 45% in his career before. Do you think what is doing now is sustainable? I find giving up everything we have left for a 33 year old Gordon when we could plug Malik into that spot naïve as well.

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    • Followed by “WHY AREN’T YOU TAKING EVRY SINGLE ONE OF THESE LIKE SUPER SERIOUS MAN?!?!?!” lol

      I kid, a good 1/3 are other people’s trade notions.

      • In my defense, after being locked in the house high on Percocet trying to sleep sitting on the sofa in a crazy Velcro nightmare high tech sling after my shoulder replacement surgery only to awaken to learn Frank Vogel has been given front office permission to play whomever he wants for the rest of the season.

        It’s like being locked in a dream where Byron Scott is the Lakers new general manager who declares the team is going replace Frank Vogel with Kurt Rambis as head coach and restore the Triangle as the only legitimate championship NBA offense. The only way to get out of the dream is to accept becoming a Clippers or Celtics fan.

        I am now shifting all of my trade efforts on finding a shooting guard whom even Frank Vogel would start before Avery Bradley. Avery Bradley has become the avatar that rules Frank Vogel’s reign. Lakers could be down 0-4 in the first round of the playoffs and Frank would still be starting Avery and probably trying to figure out how to get more minutes out of DeAndre Jordan and give Kent Bazemore an opportunity to play. After all, they’re all proven vets and analytics mearsures them wrong.

        It’s like we’re screwed for sure. Lakers aren’t going to replace Frank until this summer, which means we have a lame duck coach who’s been given full power to play whomever he pleases. Multiple unrequited and unsuccessful roles wasted on players like DeAndre Jordan, Kent Bazemore, Andre Drummond, and Avery Bradley have shown Frank is terrible at building lineups and rotations. It’s like he can’t get his excessive defensive bias out of the way from wrecking his lineups and rotations. He’s beeb dumb, stubborn, and wrong over and over and yet never seems to learn from these mistakes.

        • That is quite the defense. Lol, in all honesty I think that a decent amount of our defensive issues will be solved with the more athletic and now rested AD at the 5. Ariza has to be booted out of the starting 5 and LBJ to the 3 w/Johnson or Melo. That might be how we end the season. I also think we’re still going to be more from Russ. Still have faith in greatness

          • There are two ways this story ends.

            In the first, AD inspires the team, we pull of a big surprise trade for a starter, and we ride a perfect storm of good fortune to #18.

            In the second, the story slowly leaks out about the attempts of Kurt Rambis to pull off a coup and take control of the team from Rob Pelinka using Frank Vogel’s plight to get Jeanie Buss’s support for the coup.

            Now that the rebels have been held at bay, the universe actiously awaits the return of its young prince to join the King in the fight for #18.

    • I have many pleasant memories of percs.
      First time I’ve had them in years.
      Still prefer a good joint if you will.
      LOL. Still hurts but who cares…

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    Updated: January 24, 2022
    Talen Horton-TuckerGARY A. VASQUEZ-USA TODAY SPORTS
    The Los Angeles Lakers can’t seem to get out of their own way this season.

    The team’s roster construction has been highly criticized. Despite having plenty of superstar talent, L.A. hasn’t been able to produce wins on a consistent basis.

    As a result, the team seems to be exploring its options on the trade market. Unfortunately, the Lakers don’t have tons of trade chips. A recent report revealed which assets the Lakers are offering teams in trade talks, and it’s a short list.

    “They’re calling teams offering a future first, Kendrick Nunn, and Talen Horton-Tucker, who has underwhelmed this season, and no one is biting yet,” wrote Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer.

    Horton-Tucker’s first few games this season were impressive, but since then, he hasn’t been playing at a very high level. Excluding his first three games, he’s averaging just 9.1 points per game on 39.9 percent shooting from the field this season.

    The youngster certainly hasn’t taken the leap many folks were hoping for, which is surely impacting his value on the trade market. It remains to be seen if he’ll end up being moved.

    As for Nunn, he still hasn’t appeared in a game for the Lakers. If a team wants to trade for him, that organization is going to have to judge him based on his first two NBA seasons with the Miami Heat.

    During those two seasons, Nunn averaged 15.0 points, 2.9 rebounds and 3.0 assists per game. He shot 45.8 percent from the field and 36.4 percent from 3-point land.

    Only time will tell if the Lakers find a way to put a deal together using these assets. A splash on the trade market could be what L.A. needs to turn things around this season.

    Here’s what the Lakers are offering teams in trade proposals By Sam Leweck

    Updated: January 24, 2022
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    The Los Angeles Lakers can’t seem to get out of their own way this season.

    The team’s roster construction has been highly criticized. Despite having plenty of superstar talent, L.A. hasn’t been able to produce wins on a consistent basis.

    As a result, the team seems to be exploring its options on the trade market. Unfortunately, the Lakers don’t have tons of trade chips. A recent report revealed which assets the Lakers are offering teams in trade talks, and it’s a short list.

    “They’re calling teams offering a future first, Kendrick Nunn, and Talen Horton-Tucker, who has underwhelmed this season, and no one is biting yet,” wrote Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer.

    Horton-Tucker’s first few games this season were impressive, but since then, he hasn’t been playing at a very high level. Excluding his first three games, he’s averaging just 9.1 points per game on 39.9 percent shooting from the field this season.

    The youngster certainly hasn’t taken the leap many folks were hoping for, which is surely impacting his value on the trade market. It remains to be seen if he’ll end up being moved.

    As for Nunn, he still hasn’t appeared in a game for the Lakers. If a team wants to trade for him, that organization is going to have to judge him based on his first two NBA seasons with the Miami Heat.

    During those two seasons, Nunn averaged 15.0 points, 2.9 rebounds and 3.0 assists per game. He shot 45.8 percent from the field and 36.4 percent from 3-point land.

    Only time will tell if the Lakers find a way to put a deal together using these assets. A splash on the trade market could be what L.A. needs to turn things around this season.

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    • The “yet” gives some hope. Like 3% more hope.

      • Our assets are not enough to bring in a real difference maker.

        • I feel the same way, for the most part. However there are some scenarios I can imagine, or as LT might say be optimistic about, in terms of the Lakers being able to snag the last chair the in the game for free agent musical chairs. Timing might be critical on the last day but I’ll be pretty amazed if anything happens until then.

          They’ll give everyone with AD as much time as possible, is my thinking. If the defense takes a step up with AD, if we generate better looks and make more open threes with AD that changes a lot about this team. Same goes for if Nunn ever plays for us.

          • The question could be what could we get for THT, Nunn, Monk, Reaves, and the 2027 FRP?

            If that is not enough to get Grant or Turner, then we look to trade just THT for Gordon, Wood, or Turner. We need at least one new starter at the two, three, four, or five.

            • The problem is this. All the name players are under contract for at least another year. There is zero incentive for a team to trade for a less then desirable return if they can just hold onto that player and try again in summer. As for a smaller trade for a guy like Gordon. I don’t feel that is likely. While it’s easy to forget because he he hasn’t played, Nunn is a very good player. He was okay he talk of the camp before he got hurt. He is now close to returning so unless it’s for a star I suspect they want to see what Nunn can bring. He is much better then Gordon is at this stage of his career. Nunn is a better defender and scorer. Gordon is having a career year from 3 but will it last on this team? As we have seen great 3 point shooters come to the Lakers to die.

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    5 Things: Heat beat Lakers with ease

    Until the Lakers can figure out how to play defense nothing else matters. One could choose to quibble over this or that but it truly does not matter. When you give up 50+% shooting from everywhere, allow the other team to just dominate you in the paint with no resistance, and in general play without energy you will lose the game. Every time. That, Lakerholics, is exactly what happened today.

    1. Compete. Written that word too much this season. Lakers did not show up ready to compete which is inexcusable on multiple levels. From the coaches to the Gatorade person, show up with some kind of intention that you will be competing. Play with energy, focus and intent to win. Showing up is not enough, I don’t care what the resume’ has on it. Lazy 35 foot shots, often quite early ion the shot clock, are not a recipe for a success and certainly not a comeback. Our screen roll coverages are a joke right now. Compete boys or just pack it up and save us all the drama.
    2. Three point game is not our strength. Hasn’t really been all season long. Not sure what Rob was thinking this summer but it’s obvious it isn’t working in terms of “improving” the offense. Our offense stinks. We don’t get the specialists shots which begs the question why we play them at all? If you’re not going to get Wayne going from the outside why are we playing him at all? At least when we had Wes you could argue he had a presence on defense. No, the three ball is not the weapon the Lakers need to focus on right now. Frankly, the offensive end isn’t where the largest issues lie, either.
    3. Too many donuts. Sometimes I really do wonder what this team works on between games. If it’s defense I don’t see it translating on the court. If it’s specific shots we don’t see them executed on the floor. Ariza, in his 17th season, ought to know where he can make a shot from. Donut. Dwight played 11 minutes…donut. Also couldn’t defend the paint against a stream of Miami players. Reaves is a rookie and has had an uneven distribution of minutes but also brought a donut to work.
    4. LeBron continued his 25+ point streak!!! Congrats on your Spirit award, Mr. James. We need more on defense at this point. Especially when you play center which isn’t really working anymore.
    5. A late push? Cute. Seen it this season and it’s Fool’s Gold. We’re mediocre, at best, and simply not good enough to rely on a few minutes of “Wow…we’re getting our asses kicked tonight…again. Time to play hard guys!!!” every few games. Had they played like that all game literally everything would have been different. They didn’t. Show up consistently. Play hard consistently. Don’t worry about streaks, stats, or the record books. Be better.

    Getting AD back will help a little but we have a lot of issues. Westbrook’s fit, a lack of players with anything resembling defensive acumen or pedigree, and a general lack of competitive spirit from the tip. Late rallies should be needed every so often not once a week. We can’t even reliably beat bad teams, which has been the biggest issue, in all honesty. Had we shown an ability to beat inferior teams and come up short against top teams that would be one thing. We play down to everyone, get up for no one and spend a lot of time preaching patience. Well, we’re coming up on 2/3’s of the way through the season. Patience and time are ever-dwindling luxuries.

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    • This game was it for me as far as Frank Vogel is concerned. I will no longer support him remaining as the head coach of the Lakers. He should be fired ASAP. He is a stupid idiot who has no idea how to put together a winning starting lineup or rotations.

      Starting Russ, Bradley, LeBron, Ariza, and Dwight for the third game in a row despite horrible stats and eyetest was too much. I loved the decisions Frank made in the bubble but his decisions on lineups and rotations all year long have been brain dead and illogical.

      Just look at the stats for the Russ, Bradley, LeBron, Ariza, and Dwight starting lineup the last three games despite the team ending up trailing by double digets in each game due to the poor offense, defense, and overall play of the team’s starting lineups. In fact, the only reason we won one of these three games is Frank replaced Dwight with Stanley but left Ariza and Bradley in the starting lineup.

      Yes, we had injuries and Covid but the real culprit to this season was an old school coach who refused to accept the direction of the front offfice and figure out how to play the shooters Pelinka signed and instead contuinued to play DeAndre Jordan and two bigs and refused to embrace the small ball style the front office wanted to play to make Russ work.

      Basically, we had a coach lead an insurrection that derailed the first half of the Lakers season. Time for a change. Bring in Mike D’Antoni or any coach who will run plays to get our shooters shots and motivate this veteran team to play defense. Right now, it’s obvious Frank Vogel can no longer do the job for which he was hired.

      • I’m not so certain Frank is the sole reason for a lot these struggles LT. I am a fan of the Vogel defense and have long questioned the Vogel offense. Wish we would have brought in a keener mind on offense when Kidd left. We didn’t. Don’t know if Frank picked or Rob picked Fizzy but he’s here and there aren’t a lot of good mid-season replacements.

        I don’t think I like many of the re-read names out there floating around. I’d just as soon see someone who hasn’t coached at the NBA level or someone LeBron and AD trust to get it done. So far the team seems to still back Frank, at least when a microphone is in their face and a question has been posed.

        If we come back from this roadie a couple games under .500 it’s Fizdale or Rambis. Hard to see them going outside the organization at this point and, in all honesty…I prefer Kurt who at least has been a part of both a championship culture and the Lakers for longer than Dave has. Also, Dave has never once impressed me as a coach. Neither has Kurt but it would seem those are the in-house candidates.

        In terms of this summer…I dunno. I fear Luke Walton 2.0 or MDA 2.0. Too green and too old, respectively and MDA doesn’t feel like he’ll be back ever. Another obstacle not talked about yet is money. We hired the cheapest coach we could find and he turned around and won a banner. So it’s hard for me to imagine the Lakers shelling out top dollar for a coach these days, especially after how business was handled in the summer.

        I will say that it’s hard for me to see Frank coaching past this season here. It’s my hope that Jeannie really cleans house: goodbye Rob, Frank and hello new brain trust. Promote some of the better scouting guys into bigger roles, they obviously do a solid job. Really conduct a coaching search and when you find the guy pay him right. Stop cheaping out on literally every facet of your team.

        • I can’t remember a more disappointing, frustrating, or dysfunctional Lakers’ season than this one. In the end, I blame Frank Vogel for the travesty this season has become.

          I understand the arguments about how the front office should also be held responsible for putting together a roster that ultimately became unbalanced partly due to poor construction and partly due to untimely injuries.

          But in the end, I’ve always believed the buck stops with the coach. who deserves the credit when the win and the blame when they lose. Coaches for me have always been the difference makers. The difference between winning or losing.

          Coaches are more than just play callers or guys who just roll the ball out for superstar players. They’re who builds the chemistry, camaraderie, and culture of winning on championship teams. It’s their job to coach around the roster issues, injuries, and other obstacles life throws in the way of winning.

          Frank Vogel wasted half of this season playing lineups that made little sense in terms of spacing on offense or rim protection on defense. His starting lineups led the team to starting every game behind. His prioritizing of analytics disasters like DeAndre Jordan and now Avery Bradley continue to prevent this team from developing consistent good starting lineups and rotations.

          There is little a coach can do to damage his teams’ chances of winning more than playing the wrong players at the wrong times. Bradley and Ariza have about the same justification for starting as DeAndre Jordan did. Not only has Frank consistently chosen the wrong players to play but he’s then grouped them together with other players who don’t complement each other. The end result are lineups that are not capable of playing good offense or defense. Lineups like Russ, Bradley, LeBron, Ariza, and Howard lineups that started the last three games.

          Frankly, I doubt the Lakers will fire Vogel just as I doubt Vogel will give in and bench Bradley, no matter how poorly he plays or how many times he allows the man he is defending to turn the corner and get into the paint. Vogel is toast in my book and as long as he coaches, the Lakers have zero chance of winning another championship. There’s nothing positive or good to say about lame duck coaches. Waiting until summer is stupid. Vogel has shown already he is not the solution going forward. Better to fire him now even if it means going with a temporary head coach. Hell, give the ball to Phil Handy. I bet he would at least play the right guys.

        • I’m also not saying Frank Vogel is the only problem we have right now or the only reason we need change.

          What I’m saying is that it’s the coach’s job to deal with the rosters, injuries, Covid, matchups, stars, shadow GM’s, and somehow craft together a way to overcome and win.

          Some of it is strategies and systems but honestly most of it is about the art of building lineups and rotations that work, create synergy, and energize the players to play their best. It’s about figuring out what are the right combinations to start and the right rotations.

          That’s where Frank has totally failed. He has wasted so many opportunities starting DeAndre Jordan, Avery Bradley, Talen Horton-Tucker, Dwight Howard, or Trevor Ariza and taken so long to finally learn none of them are the right solutions to start. And every personnel decision made seems to favor defense at the expense of offense.

          Eye test or analytics, Vogel’s lineups and rotations have been unacceptably bad. His job as coach was to figure this out and frankly, he’s failed to perform his job.

          I, for one, have never subscribed to the fire him now or later proponents. Vogel is not the right coach for this team right now. Once that’s decided, fire him regardless of who you have to replace him. No lame duck stuff.

          Instead, get serious about LeBron James career. Talk to Mike D’Antoni. Run an extensive coaching search. Lakers head coach is best job in the world. Hire a temp coach for now – Phil Handy? – if you have to, but don’t leave Vogel running things. That’s like just giving up.

          • No disagreement from me. I have always been 50/50 on Frank. Very much appreciate what he’s been able to do with what he’s been given, this season included.

            I think the real issue is the gravity of specific personalities. If Frank has input on roster construction (and I think he has minimal at best, that it goes Rob, LBJ/AD/Frank) he needs to do a better job advocating for kind of players he needs to do his job well.

            As you said, and I’ve said, and everyone has been saying: we don’t run an offense. But we did have an elite defense when we had the personnel to run it. That was the biggest difference between this season and last. Bubble year was a perfect blend of all of the ingredients: vets who could still play at a high level, shooters who could defend, and LBJ/AD playing at a high level consistently throughout the year. Last year, with not much AD or LBJ, we still had an elite defense that got us into the playoffs and then AD and LBJ just weren’t there.

            We over-corrected that issue, too much I would say, and now we have old guys who can’t do anything at all, young guys who aren’t ready, and AD and LBJ not both playing at a high level. LeBron is simply not enough. Even Russ and LeBron isn’t enough because Russ is the guy we need to scheme and cover for a bit on D. With AD out and nobody stepping into a good role defensively we’re sunk. The Lakers under Vogel have never, ever been about the offense just the D. The offense is named LeBron James.

    • Thanks Buba. Nothing pisses me off more than when pro athletes half-ass their way through large chunks of a game and then turn it on in the final frame. it’s infuriating and insulting. On the podcast with TJ he made a ton of great points about the work ethic, or lack thereof. I’m sure they put in time, but with the intent being….what? I can’t see it and it’s not translating onto the basketball court.

      Anyhow, hoping AD’s return eases some of the defensive issues. Not sure what the rest of the season holds in store for us fans but it’s hard to see it getting much worse so hopefully brighter days are ahead.

    • Exactly. That’s beyond a non-starter for me, lol.

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    Sounds like we offered THT and a first rounder for Jeremi Grant and we’re rebuffed. Whether it was because of THT or the time the draft pick becomes relevant or both it kinda doesn’t matter. We don’t have a lot of trade assets that move anyone’s needle. Best to look for ways to improve from within.

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    Sounds like we offered THT and a first rounder for Jeremi Grant and we’re rebuffed. Whether it was because of THT or the time the draft pick becomes relevant or both it kinda doesn’t matter. We don’t have a lot of trade assets that move anyone’s needle. Best to look for ways to improve from within.

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    5 Things: Lakers start roadie off right with a win

    It was certainly more of a contest than one might have expected. But, given the Lakers’ struggles against young teams this season, the win was more than enough. Solid contributions from across the board, LeBron’s 25+ ppg streak continued, and for one night more things went right than went wrong.

    1. Westbrook bounces back from benching. You don’t play at the level Russ has without being able to turn the page on a bad game. Or two. Or…well, you catch my drift. The fit might not be the best. A mid-season trade seems all but impossible (to me, anyway) and so there remains but one thing to do: figure out how to make it work the best that it can. We’ve seen it in glimpses but it hasn’t found a “sustain” feature, yet. Maybe the long road trip can be the lab where that happens, away from the home crowd pressure, away LA, and among the team we would all like to see play better.
    2. Ariza better on defense, still looking for his shot. I thought this was Trevor’s best game of the season. He was able to better execute our game plan on D which is essential for making this team work. He also took the open shots that came his way, most of them just didn’t go in. That’s OK, for now, after not playing for almost the entire season his legs aren’t where they need to be. Seeing him execute the defensive game plan better is a step in the right direction and something we need more of. Playing with LeBron a lot helps his +/-.
    3. LeBron keeps playing at a high level. For my part I’d prefer if LeBron keep it to 5 3 PT FGA/game. Unless he’s hot we really shouldn’t see too many 30+ foot shots or early shot clock threes. The corner three he hit off a pass was a great example of the kind of three point shots I think we want LeBron and our specialists shooting more of. LeBron has a 16 game streak of 25+ points going currently and he kept that up against the Magic last night as they couldn’t contain him. Especially in the second half when we went back to him at the 5. There are definitely some teams/match ups that I think Dwight is the better option for. Back-to-backs, as well, I think would be a situation where I would like to see LBJ at the 5 in half closing scenarios. Against teams that are either unsure about their low post identity or don’t have a strong presence in the paint it’s OK. The biggest issue with LeBron at the five is a lack of a rim deterrent and rebounding. Figure out how to balance that out, or when to play Dwight, and this should work better.
    4. Carmelo’s road game shows up. It’s been a season long issue. Not only just with Melo, although his home/road splits are fairly dramatic, but with the whole Laker bench. They show up at Crypto, not so much on the road. Carmelo showed us some vintage basketball and then got hot from three, as well, to the tune of 23 points. While the rest of the bench didn’t have quite the same impact (only Monk and Johnson managed to score 10+ points) they all did their part to help bring him the win. I’ll add that it looks to me like Reaves is hitting a bit of a rookie wall as both his defense and outside shot have leveled off a lot lately. THT had his traditional low-impact game after a big one and Johnson continues to play at a steady level off the bench which is great to see since that is where his role would be should he stick past the 10-day.
    5. Better defense is a must. We still have to be a lot better on that end of the floor. We simply lack the firepower, especially without AD, to just outscore teams. Sending the young Magic to the line 29 times and letting them score in the paint like they did just can’t continue to happen. Against one of the worst teams in the Association we eked out a win. We won’t be so fortunate against even mediocre teams, like we saw in Indy. Against top teams we’ll get blown out. So something has to happen. If we can outscore teams with LeBron at the five every single games than that could be the answer but the problem is we don’t. We sieve paint points and rebounds while not creating quality shots of our own. So, if we’re going forward with James at the five he, too, has to adjust his game to operate closer to the rim and not further from it. We need to see us not miss the backdoor cut…repeatedly…like we did last night. Above all we need to find it within ourselves to play a higher quality of defense. If not this is done and it’s done now. There will be no late season surge or player we get back that alters that identity. If the guys playing now can’t figure it out it’s likely we’ll see an entirely new team in training camp. Again. For the third season. After winning a title…using defense.

    Next up is a very early game against the Miami. Never a good combo. But the Lakers won’t have to leave the state of Florida so maybe they can get they can get acclimated to the EST vibe and come out with some intensity. Miami has powered it’s way to 3rd in the EC among a slew of injuries to key players. Sound familiar? However, that team takes the defensive end a lot more seriously and there is no question that Spo has the team’s attention. So, we’ll see. I don’t have high hopes we can win, to be honest, but if we can get some good play off the bench and James and Westbrook can be as efficient as they were against the Magic we have a shot. I suppose that’s the best this version of the Lakers can muster right now.

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    • Good fiver, Jamie.

      1. Russ bounce back. Good to see Russ taking the right path and being positive rather than pouting. We need that. Sustainability seems to be our most consistent problem. We just cannot seem to sustain good fortune and good play. Russ needs to show in the big games coming up. That will be the key to the rest of the season.

      2. Good game from Trevor. Team high +20 plus/minus even though he only scored 5 points. While I was happy to see Ariza play well, he’s not going to be the solution we need at 6′ 8″. We still need to add a stretch four or five who can impact our defense. Stanley should start over Trevor.

      3. LeBron pacing himself and shooting lots of threes is fine with me. James knows his body and game and obviously feels adding more 3-point shooting is going to make him more versatile and save him energy rather than having to attack the paint every time. Sometimes, your ability to hit from deep is the only spacing you need to get to the rim. I still strongly want the Lakers to trade for Myles Turner.

      4. Great to see Melo hitting shots on the road. I love both his midrange and 3-point shooting. Making an effort on defense is also been positive. Just need to keep his minutes down so his energy is up.

      5. Playing elite defense is the key to the rest of this season. We both agree upon that. We need AD and Nunn back ASAP. And we need to make a trade for one more starter with size who can 3&D. Get healthy and add one more legitimate starter and we will have a puncher’s shot at winning a championship.

      Some big games coming up. Miami on Sunday, Nets on Tuesday, and 76ers on Thursday. I’m hoping we can somehow pull off a couple of wins in these three games. Will be tough but we have to step up to the plate sometime soon if we’re going to pull off a comeback for this miserable season. Why not now?

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    5 Things: Lakers fall to Indy, #0 benched down the stretch

    It’s funny because I didn’t even realize they had taken Russ out. I watched the same poor execution on both ends I had been watching all game. Guys got blown by, the defense is just so slow to react. Guys couldn’t hit shots, late game offensive execution being a season long issue at this point. All of that is to say, Frank taking Russ out didn’t matter. Nothing improved, we stayed the same: mediocre. At best.

    1. Ariza has been awful. In his 11 games this season Trevor has been anything but the small-ball savior some had hoped he would be. For myself I was always more than a little dubious that a 36 year old with multiple injuries over the last couple of seasons was to be counted on for much of anything. This has sadly been the case. He’s shooting a career worst 37.1% from the floor, a decent 37.9% from three (but takes only 2.6/game) and his intangible impact has been borderline non-existent. Last night he dropped a donut albeit in only 15 minutes so it’s hard to pin the loss on his meager contribution. This is the problem you begin to have when over 1/3 of your roster is over 33: slow, slow slow. Slow and methodical can work in the playoffs but not so much in the regular season. If we’re going to start Trevor and he’s going to soak up this many minutes from Monk and even Reaves we need more.
    2. Play Dwight more. Give the man 20 mpg to work with. Don’t keep it match up based, or at least give him a little more leash to to run with. Dwight, who had been effective keeping a lid on Sabonis early although not at stopping the flow of paint points scored on us, played fewer minutes than Ariza. But if we drop Ariza from the rotation, play LBJ at the 4 and bring Monk back into the starting 5 I think that makes more sense on almost every level except for the “I dunno, can TA play better with even more minutes?” level. Dwight is also currently tied with Nate Thurmond at 14,464 rebounds for 10th on the All Time list. Small ball works with LeBron and shooters sometimes, it’ll work better with AD on the floor. In order to give our defense the best shot it can have we need a guy who knows to defend the paint better and let him loose. When AD returns his role can go back to something like this, which makes sense. But we both need to save some wear and tear on LeBron and up our presence on D.
    3. Awful from three. I’m sure Frank will say something about “the law of averages” or that he “liked the shots they just didn’t go down” but this is a common theme with the Lakers now. Poor three point shooting, and more importantly, not finding ways to get the guys we brought in to do that quality shots. Honestly it would have been a lot worse save for Westbrook’s uncharacteristic good night from beyond the arc (he went 4-6, the rest of the team went 7-28). I don’t expect this to change mid-season, post-season or next season. Frank is not the coach for a volume three point shooting team. We need to figure out how to be the dominant paint scoring team and be better at keeping a lid on the other team’s three point shooters. That’s the only solution that makes sense to me at this point.
    4. Defensive stopper. I think we need the best perimeter defender we can find. We need someone who can excel at being the point of attack and it’s not anyone currently on the roster. No offense to any current Laker but they all, to a man, routinely get blown by, give up play to a dominant hand, and get lost on screens and switches. Nobody except undrafted rookie Austin Reaves is able to consistently draw charges, nobody at all is fighting through screens and it often looks like we’re not talking on defense. This is on Vogel and the team leaders.
    5. Nowhere to go but awwww F#$% that. This is what we are right now. We need AD back and playing at a high level on both ends. I think we need to trade THT (and if we can include him w/o him playing minute 1 this season) Nunn for a defensive ace and I don’t care what else they bring to the table. We need to stop guard penetration into the paint and we need to stop the layup line at the rim after the game has started. I think we have the scoring, even if we lose THT, in-house to play at a high enough level to compete better. But the defense will not be repaired with the guys we have now. We’re either big and slow or small and slow, we’re not quick to the ball, we don’t rebound at a high level. Those are the death of anyone’s playoff dreams.

    Kudos to THT for a bust out game. Call me if he does it for a month. No more spirit awards from me this season. This is getting sad and that’s the nicest way I can frame it.

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    5 Things: Lakers overcome the Jazz behind stellar bench play

    Hey man it takes a village. Frank Vogel, reportedly on the hot seat once again, trotted out a very Frank Vogel starting five. If he’s going down he’s going his way. Turns out it was the guys who didn’t start that ended up having the larger impact but I expect this look to solidify over the course of the rest of the season with a couple key differences. Regardless it worked out, against a top team at that, for at least one night.

    1. LeBron’s apology. While he didn’t get 40 like he predicted on social media The King was still the force we needed him to. While not his best showing in terms of efficiency there is rarely a time where I question LeBron’s effort or shot selection. Like all the greats they’ve earned a dud game here or there. SO, while not a standout game where he scored 40 or even a continuation of his 30+ point tear this was a solid game from James. Which was all we needed.
    2. Russell’s dunk. Honestly, and I’m not trying to be a downer or anything, I though Russ could have been called for an offensive foul when he used Golbert’s shoulder to get that extra lift that allowed him to throw it down. Same way i though Blake Griffin’s “iconic” dunk over Pau Gasol should have been an offensive foul. I guess there’s a question of did Rudy foul Russ first and everything was game after that or whatever but the point is that was something I think the whole team needed. Especially Russ. He puts up a stern façade and his demeanor rarely shifts on the court except to seemingly get gloomier, but this was a long time coming.
    3. Stanley’s big game off the bench. This is the role he needs to carve out on this team. While a case can be made for putting together a starting line up that has all our best, fastest horses in it I think we’ll see more of what we got last night going forward. Ariza stunk, Howard was OK, Bradley was fine. But they’re all old and it makes sense that, if they are to be used, that we use them when they’re warmed up and not ask them to get going midway through the first half or what have you. Get warm, go play. That leaves journeyman Johnson to come off the bench and find his groove. I think this better suits his talents. Let’s him get going against other guys off the bench and if he rolls hard there maybe be an impact player when the game matters.
    4. What can we take away from this? As we have all learned and espoused there seems to be no corner this team will be turning. One potentially statement or season-altering game on a Monday can be wiped away by a dud against Indy tomorrow night. If we put together a nice string of 10-15 or so games I’ll look back to the game that started it all and, with the benefit of hindsight, and say “Hey look! It was THAT game that started it all!”. Because to do otherwise is fruitless at this point.
    5. The trade scenario. Reaves, Monk and THT all had great games off the bench. All three are likely trade sweeteners since we don’t have a ton of picks in this decade to add. I don’t think the minimum deals of the likes of DeAndre Jordan or Kent Bazemore are moving anyone’s needles. So, with that in mind and with the news that annual Laker trade target Myles Turner is out for an extended time with a stress reaction in his foot, is this the time to trade for him? We also had some good and bad news on the injury front with AD cleared to ramp up and Nunn set back again with pain in his knee. At this point I’ll be surprised if Nunn plays this season, I think he’s likely to get surgery to see what’s going on, clean up the knee, whatever he needs to do to get back on the floor. It’s not a guarantee he’ll ever wear his Laker uni. Could we do a deal for Turner with THT, Nunn and one of Reaves or Monk as the sweetener and actually keep our pick? Is it worth it to our theoretical title hopes this season? I have been pretty dour for all the trade enthusiast’s as I continue to be more of the opinion that we won’t do any in-season deals and not less. But the injury to Turner opens an odd kind of door. One that makes getting a player that can actually play back in a deal for him look a little differently. Also that teams looking for help now will start to look elsewhere leaving us in a position of possibly being able to swoop in and get Myles on the team. I think that all parties involved will wait for more definitive reporting but it is a curious case.

    We need wins. Doesn’t matter how they come. If we need to play the octopus that predicts world cup victories at 2 guard or the mule that kicks field goals from the Disney movie so be it. Can’t lose the winnable games anymore and need to eke out some tough ones, too. Otherwise this is done.

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    • Totally agree, man. Nunn was one of our “big” moves this offseason but now it would appear we would have been better off not signing him at all, giving that cap resource to either Malik Monk (and making it easier to retain him this summer) or keeping Caruso. Hindsight is 20/20 on that one, though. No way anyone could have predicted a bone bruise would take over half of the season to heal. All in all, I just don’t what we have moving many needles and I’m not too high on 33+ players at this time. We got a lot of those in spades.

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    5 Things: Lakers (sigh)

    This has gotten beyond critiquing. There’s really just nothing more to say. You could make a case that the Lakers could see an uptick in the quality of their play when AD gets back but, if one is honest, that won’t be enough to crack the top 8 teams in the Association. These issues have been here from the beginning: porous defense, suspect offense that relies on one or two players, and a general lackadaisical attitude towards their opponents. It’s not looking very bright in Laker Land these days.

    1. The team Rob built but that LeBron and AD signed off on. While I doubt Rob called James and Davis regarding every move made they all agreed that Westbrook was the way to go. We can all wish things had worked out differently, they didn’t. We can all wish that we had retained Caruso who honestly probably wouldn’t be enough to “fix” the defense but would certainly have provided the coach with a better tool than is currently available. We’re old, slow and entitled. Not a good combo.
    2. A referendum on Frank. The defense isn’t working. He was never a great offensive coach as he basically relies on his star players to just kinda make it work. Unfortunately, with the roster he was delivered, Frank needs to do more. A lot more. Does he have it in him? I’m not so sure.
    3. The spark of competitive spirit burns low. Russ and Dwight spoke after the game of playing hard. Well, that would be a helluva place to start. We are getting outplayed, outhustled and out worked in too many games. You could argue that a veteran team could lose a handful of these kind of games. We’ve lost a ton. The heart of this team is not strong.
    4. They can improve, right? Yes. But it’s going to take something they haven’t shown us, yet. LeBron is playing his heart out. Russ is Russ. Davis, the fragile being that he is, won’t be enough on either end. We need the team to compete harder and more consistently than they’ve shown the inclination or ability to do.
    5. The trade solution. While nice to imagine player X, Y or Z could come riding in and save the day it feels unlikely to me. Our trade “assets” are playing like garbage right now. Russ might be traded (sic: will) this summer but his play now makes it highly unlikely we’ll deal him this season. I don’t see anything other than an elite three and D guy (unavailable given our assets) or an elite center (same) who can help shore up our awful defense in the paint. Really, we need both. Given the lack of maneuverability we’re fairly locked into this team. Sure, we might move THT and Nunn and maybe even the pick in 3099, hell, some team might coerce us into tossing in Reaves or Monk. Doesn’t feel like that would be enough.

    I pride myself on being pragmatic and honest in these assessments after games. Losses like this can make it difficult. When you question the heart of your team it’s never a good look. Yet that’s where we find ourselves.

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    • What he said.

      Right now, something’s missing. The glue that binds the team’s chemistry has cracked and were seeing bone on bone disruptions of functionality that smacks of a self-destructing team on the precipice of disaster.

      Ultimately, this will fall on Rob Pelinka’s head. He’s the GM who built this team regardless of LeBron and AD controlling the team’s direction by meeting with Russ. Frank is victim and contributing confounder.

      Don’t know if this team has anybody who can provide the spark to create an internal fire that brings this team back together. Something is obviously wrong right now. Stephen King wrong. We’re just starting to see the cracks. Getting harder and harder to see how we can change the course we’re on right now.

    • Getting Covid mighta saved Frankie’s job because it allowed Fizz to take those L’s. He really should be on the hot seat right now and the overall team effort makes it look like he’s lost the locker room. If he had input on the construction of this roster but had no plan on how to use it then that’s on him. If Rob didn’t seek his input when constructing this roster then that spells doom for him also. Dead man walkin.

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    Westbrook trade front

    Sounds like Philly is still a big-time no-go for Mr. Westbrook.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/76ers-have-no-interest-in-trading-ben-simmons-for-lakers-russell-westbrook-per-report/

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    • Russ has not given Morey one reason to trade for him.

      • Nor has Ben another team to do likewise, at least not for the haul Morey envisions.

        In all honesty I see Morey sitting on this egg until at least this summer. He’s drawing a line in the sand that is in regards to players dictating to the degree that they do the composition of rosters. If you let Ben and Klutch pull this off for anything less than an embarrassment of riches you are setting such an incredibly bad precedent. Ben and Klutch are going to hemorrhage money in this scenario, especially Ben, and I don’t think there’s a good or easy path for him to recoup those losses. He’s basically going to have top prove that he is, in fact, mentally unfit to play in general and not just for those terrible and mean Philly fans. At that point he is stuck. The “mental disability” card will have completely back-fired. As it should.

        Frankly, I hope this blows up in Ben and Klutch’s faces. They believe they control the flow of talent in the NBA, they do not. The GM position is not one for coddling personalities and egos, that is what the coach does these days. GM’s, in theory, build teams. AD forcing his way out of NOLA, this situation with Ben, and other Klutch maneuvering is not good for the game, in my opinion. Morey is showing the stone Griffin could not. I don’t think he’ll get all that he desires but I appreciate him not caving in.

        • Read through the B/R trade news article, sounds like everyone from ownership to Morey and even in Embiid is in lockstep regarding Ben. Buckle up, indeed.

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