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Sorry about the utter lack of Fivers, folks. Work has been bananas as we prep for the Spring semester so just haven’t had the band width. Also haven’t had much positive to say about the state of things lately. In all honesty the Lakers are a bit of a bummer these days. I still root, still hope, but see little (if any) light at the end of the tunnel that this season has become.
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Ben Simmons gonna lose a whole lotta money this season…
Could go north of 31 mil by the end of the season. Astounding.
Kobe did his “I’m pissed at the front office and I don’t like this team at all!” correctly. Simmons just sounds more and more like an out-of-touch buffoon whom I want no part of as a Laker. Kobe got paid, played his way back into the good graces of the fanbase, and helped add a defining aspect to his legacy in the doing. Ben looks and sounds like a teenager who had the wifi locked on him by his parents.
I’ll bet he skips the rest of the Philly games he could ever play in for the rest of his career. Klutch not looking too smart, either. Anyone who thinks Simmons not playing a single minute is a way to bolster his trade value is insane purely because of the gaping holes in his game on offense. It’s real easy t forget the intangibles a guy brings when you don’t see him bring them. You look at stats and the stats say “pass”. Oh but he’s under contract for like 3 more seasons and we gotta tip toe around his ego like a teenager coming home late from prom? lol, whatta joke…
Morey will get close to what he wants this summer after so many disappointing and injury-riddled aspects of the season. He’ll either end up in Portland or Sacramento, I bet. Hate living in a Podunk burg like that and make life miserable for whomever traded for him. Repeat of this season… but the team who traded for him now looking for an ever more meager haul because everyone will realize he don’t care about hooping.
If hooping was in his blood he’d have pulled a Kobe. Public statement in front of his locker in earshot of his teammates “I’ll go play on Pluto.” type thing, city might even still respect him for getting up and going to work like the rest of us everyday. Ben is currently “teaming up” with a lot of clothes brands. Gotta pay that mortgage and those car payments, amiright Ben? Oh, he also managed to tweet that we all deserve equality. Awesome bro, making the most of your time, I see.
Hooping ain’t in his blood, he’s willing to sit and watch his team put on an absolutely heroic regular season performance without him. If he becomes a Laker I’ll be taking a break, he’s a joke whom I want no part of. That’ll be the final straw for me and Rob Pelinka, as well. Russ may not be the best Laker ever but the dude hasn’t shied away from jack. He takes his lumps, over and over and over to the point I wish he didn’t need to take so many lumps. Don’t see Ben weathering this kind of shot storm of a season like Russ has. Russ, who has barely played with the two guys he wanted to come and play with, who has been tasked with leading a mess of old guys to a playoff spot. Sorry, just no comparison between the two when it comes to heart and character.
Give me guys like Caruso or Stanley Johnson over a “talent” like Simmons; guys who haven’t had the road paved with gold for them just to throw it all away in a fit of pique. Guys who understand what punching a clock and working for some scrap of recognition means. Give me guys who can’t stand not to hoop, even if it means playing with people who you’re not overly fond of. What’s that old saying? Where there’s a will something or other…
So here’s my very short and direct open letter to Ben Simmons, which he’ll never read:
Hey Ben, quite a year, huh? Look I know you have nothing but time so I’ll make this short. An estimated 52.9 million Americans (that’s roughly 1 in 5) suffer from mental illness. The same percentage affects the Australians of the country you were born in, about 4 million (again, about 1 in 5). If you are truly one of them then please, for you and your family and friends, go and get the actual help you need. There will be ways to make money, heck maybe even find your way back to NBA basketball. Just retire and end the drama with your former team. Jim Brown did it and was forever a hero to his community and an advocate for the health of athletes everywhere. He put his money where his mouth was. You could be an even better advocate for athlete mental health than Jim or Kevin Love because you’re young, you understand Twitter and things like that way better than those guys ever will.
If it’s about the team and the mental health thing is an excuse and/or a mechanism by which you hope to recoup some money via arbitration this summer…well…frankly that’s just about the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard, dude. Follow in the footsteps of just about every pro athlete ever and complain about work while also doing your job. You know, like the rest of planet Earth does every damn day. The person who deserves better owes it to themselves to do the work the right way, to make a stand for something the right way and, in this scenario that person is actually you. Ben you deserve better than what you’re doing with your time right now. Be a man or be an advocate. Don’t be a whiny little bitch, we all know how those kind of people end up, eventually.
I, at one point, had a decent amount of respect for your game. That has gone now and I hope you can earn it back. Not on the Lakers, mind you, but somewhere, somehow. Whether it be in sport or the real world you can be a better version of you than you are choosing to be right now. Also, and I’m sure you realize this, you’re throwing away the equivalent of the GDP for many small countries. Just another thing to think about, bud. Hope you figure this out and make the right choice: get the help you actually need or go to work.
Your pal, Jamie
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As I understand it, a contract is a mutually agreed upon arrangement whereby one side delivers a product, services etc. and the other side pays for them.
This quote of yours: “What we’re seeing is the continued evolution of player freedom from the professional slave market being deployed by Rich Paul. Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, John Wall.”
Is. Absurd.
AD at least worked with the Pelicans to something that, sorta kinda, worked to the benefit of both parties but it still rubs me wrong to this day. Houston told John he would not be a major part of the rotation and he agreed to stay away from the team in order to rehab and look for a potential landing spot to his liking.
Ben bailed. He issued an ultimatum, the 76ers called he and Rich’s asinine bluff and now both Ben and Rich likely stand to lose come coin in the doing. AD is lucky he signed his extension after winning a ring. He ain’t been great since, that’s for sure.
free a·gent
/frē ˈājənt/noun
a person who does not have any commitments that restrict their actions.
a sports player who is not bound by a contract and so is eligible to join any team.I dunno, maybe Ben and Rich shoulda thought harder, like a lot fucking harder, about where and with whom Ben would want to play for the 4 years he signed for. It’s not a goddamn yacht club where you just pick whom you want to drink with, they made a choice.
Slave markets??? jeeeeeezzzzzzuuuuuuusssss…
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Take any business you want on planet Earth. Literally any other business and if someone signs a contract but then skips out on their end they get their ass handed to them in court. But poor, woebegone Ben Simmons and Rich Paul are tied to the whipping post and lashed in the face of their freedoms?
How is an NBA GM supposed to function if you sign a guy for 4 years, then he goes “Golly…you know what I don’t really want to play here anymore. The salary, of course, is wonderful and do let’s keep that aspect of our tidy little relationship going. But the part where I show up and do stuff for that money…you know, I’m good on that. Good luck and keep mailing dem checks boy-o!”
That is just the biggest helping of poppycock horseshit I can imagine. Truly.
Like an Uber driver says there gonna pick you up. See’s a high society well-to-do type person across the street from you and leaves your ass on the side of the road. That’s the “slave market” world you seem to be really excited to see the NBA enter.
Astounding.
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100% Buba. He’s lost control of basically the entire situation. What leverage he thinks he has/had evaporated long ago, in my opinion. The summer could see something shake loose but I, for one, applaud what Morey and the 76ers are doing as an organization. It rubbed me wrong, and frankly still does, the way AD forced his way out of New Orleans. In that situation at least the team and AD came to the conclusion that his playing would be a distraction and they would hold him out of home games and ultimately the rest of the season once it had gone down the drain.
The76ers are doing just fine without Ben Simmons so it’s not like he can say he’s the difference between a non-playoff team and a contending one, he’s not. If anything it would seem he made it harder for Joel Embiid to excel although JE’s health has always been a huge issue.
The length of his deal is a turnoff, he hasn’t played so we can’t see all the wonderful work he put into year 3 of him working on his jump shot and so on. You’re obviously not getting a competitor because he’s A) not playing and B) is shy about shooting pretty much any shot. He’s terrible from the free throw line. You’re basically getting a Tony Allen skillset without anything close to a Tony Allen mentality or fire.
What’s amazing to me is just about everything he’s done has made it harder for him to get what he wants. Not playing, taking the mental health issue to absurd lengths in order to keep a shred of hope of recouping some of his money
Hard pass on Ben. Like you said, if he makes hay somewhere else I will happily tip my cap and wish him well. If he’s truly suffering I hope he gets real help. If he’s faking I have absolutely no pity for the guy. I’ll be very curious to see how the arbitration process for him will go this summer. As I understand it he’ll have a chance to litigate whether he is owed some or all of the money that’s been withheld (which is why the 76ers are putting it in an escrow account and not banking it) but I’m not sure who arbitrates that. The league? A neutral 3rd party I would hope since you can imagine the league would be behind the 76ers stance. Regardless I hope the process is both thorough and fair. Don’t want anyone to suffer, also really really really don’t like quitters.
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Rob gonna be fired along with Frank this summer for this sad state of affairs DJ. We ain’t trading our broken poker chips for a new RV with all the bells and whistles. We either gird our loins and get it done in-house or it ain’t getting done.
Ben Simmons fixes nothing for the Lakers. Just makes them look more like the tools of Rich Paul and unable to figure out how to win without him. Jeannie won’t like that look, although seeing how they treated Jerry West makes me wonder a whole lot about what’s going on behind the scenes these days…
Incredible that the team has fallen so far, so fast and with so much pedigree (granted most of it is well-aged pedigree) on the roster but that’s were we be.
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I want no part of this dude and I’ve felt like this all the way back to how he conducted himself at LSU. If he has some type of mental illness then that’s not a whole lot different from having bad knees or chronic back issues…wouldn’t touch a player with that injury history either. My guess is that he’ll get a chunk of that money back in arbitration if he can show he’s being treated for any type of mental issue.
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Good post Jamie, I am as frustrated as you. But to be fair this was the Hawks 7th straight win since they started getting their guys back. That streak included wins over the Bucks and the Heat, so they are definitely on a roll. You are right about our switch everything defense, our backside rotations were atrocious. A result of not a lot of reps together? Possibly. Would LeBron made better rotations? Probably. Still it has to be hammered out ASAP. As for Monk, it really is going to come down what Westbrook does. Probably not going to find a trade but perhaps Russ pull a CP3 and opts out for more money over more years. It would be even be better if he found it with another team. Lol.
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Thanks for the Fiver, Jamie. Much appreciated. Not easy after games like this.
1. A tale of two AD’s. When AD pulls this, it makes me wonder whether he’ll ever be the alpha the Lakers will need once LeBron retires, Right now, he’s looking more and more like a Beta. Davis’ defense down the stretch was a sham. Lakers should prioritize trading for Myles Turner. Lakers need size and rim protection.
2. Keep Monk no matter what. The biggest reason for trading Russ is it helping our ability to keep Monk. Only other way to keep Malik would be Russ declining his Player Option and re-signing for $100M over 4 years to enable the Lakers to re-sign Monk with the full $10M MLE, which would hard cap us. Otherwise, best we can give Monk will be $4.5M per year.
3. The ever-shrinking THT role on this team. I said the biggest mistake the Lakers made last season was refusing to trade THT for Kyle Lowry. I said back then that mistake would haunt us this year and it certainly has. Maybe Pelinka’s biggest mistake. All told, these mistakes are like lowering our floor and ceiling.
4. Onyeka Okongwu. Just today’s unknown big who has a career day against the small ball on midget guards Lakers. Again, time for Lakers to go for Turner. He would let us play super big or small on steroids. Elite rim protections and stretch five shooter. I would even trade THT for a center like Nerlens Noel.
5. 11 points given away at the free throw line. Frankly, we’re just getting jobbed by the refs every game. The zebras gave Hawks 9 more free throws than the Lakers. The difference in the game was 8 points.
Until LeBron returns, we won’t know anything. We’re looking more and more like a play-in team at best. Our only hope may be LeBron getting a few weeks rest and coming back healthy and rested before the playoffs like in the bubble.
This season will either ends in wimper or a bang. Right now, doesn’t look like we’ll be needed ear plugs.
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If a trade happens (likely won’t) it’ll be on the last day. We don’t have anything close to premium assets. When you see that other teams have:
A) 1st rounders that can be used within the next 5 years.
B) Rotational players who can produce more consistently and better than THT has shown he can.
C) More than just Vet minimum filler to toss in.
D) Aren’t trying to make a player who has yet to see the floor a secondary centerpiece.It should become pretty obvious that we’re not functioning from a position of strength on the trade market. Add in the fact that probably zero teams want to do us favors (like NOLA tweaking the AD deal at this point or Sacramento taking our calls after the bridges got burned this summer) and the likelihood we make a deal prior to the last couple of hours before the deadline passes becomes basically nil.
Furthermore, Jeannie has said she wants to see this work as-is before blowing it up. So now you have about 2 weeks prior to the deadline. That’s 8 games. They’re gonna use those games to see what they have. If the Lakers are an incredible 6-2 over the next 8 I think they stand pat barring a no-brainer offer.
They need to hold onto the nearly next decade 1st rounder in order to make a Westbrook deal this summer a possibility. Nobody trading for him in a straight swap unless it’s for a busted up, broken down player like John Wall (Achilles, knee) or a someone who claims the pressure of playing in Philly is simply too much…but LA would be great!!! That would of course be Ben Simmons.
I don’t see us getting Simmons. If Kyrie holds out on not getting vaxxed he won’t be eligible for playoff home games which basically means the Nets, who are likely to have homecourt advantage through at least the 1st 2 rounds, will be playing a superstar down in the games they should have the best shot of winning. That means that Brooklyn will be faced with potentially choosing between a grumpy James Harden and an enigmatic Kyrie Irving. My guess is one of them goes to Philly in a Ben Simmons deal at that point. Likely Harden.
I don’t see the logic in John Wall. Like many, many, many players before him he has suffered injuries to the things he relies on the most to excel at the game of basketball: his legs. Knee and Achilles injuries for speedy PG’s who aren’t great at shooting are a big red X to me. Others may feel differently but I don’t get the fascination at trading for a guy who is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one for even more than Russ will be paid and he hasn’t even played. heck, let’s see what Brandon Roy has left in the tank while we’re knocking on fantasy doors.
Lastly, this is a mess of Rob’s own creation. He either needed to fight harder in terms of his desire to trade for a lesser talent but a theoretically better fit (although, really, if one is honest simply running it back and adding Monk and Melo for the departed Gasol and Drummond would have been lightning in a bottle moves that cost us z-e-r-o draft capital buuuuuuuut nooooOOOOoooooo…) or he needed to convince ownership that going down this route meant using all the spending tools at their disposal better than they did. Instead we over-traded and followed it up by fielding the rest of the squad on the cheap.
Bird Rights for Caruso? Wasted and tossed, not even a trade exception…which can be let expire with literally zero penalty should one choose not to use it. Using Dennis in a sign and trade instead of letting him walk for nothing? Nope, we don’t like how he spurned us so screw that guy AND we’re screwing ourselves, too! That’ll show everyone I know how to do this job. Absurd moves that are probably going to cost us a shot at even making the conference finals to say nothing of banner 18.
This could end really well. AD could be the thing that turns the ship around, drives us on defense and is a release valve on offense for Russ and his drives. THT could rediscover his game post-trade deadline. Some of the guys we brought in to shoot might even start hitting some more shots. After the deadline and the ASB teams have a way of, I dunno, re-discovering their mojo and renewing their focus. Maybe that can be us this season.
This could also go even further south. THT never amounts to anything but a “Hey, do you want this young guy?!” trading chip, AD continues to waffle between elite and really good, and the guys we brought in to shoot just keep right on missing. If we miss the playoffs, heck if we squeak in via the playin, the summer will get far more interesting than the trade deadline.
So here’s hoping it ends well. Best to hope for improvement from within at this point. The Pau trade won’t be rolling down the hill again any time soon, teams have gotten a lot smarter since then. Turner is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one so Indy has literally no impetus to trade him for spare parts and crappy picks. They can afford to wait because he’s on an affordable deal. Same as last year and the year before. Broken down players won’t save the season. Guys who haven’t played this season for whatever reason won’t save the season. A lateral move won’t save the season.
Playing harder, competing consistently…them’s the only things that can save the season.
Go Lakers.
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Great post Jamie, I couldn’t agree more. I actually was going to write something similar. A big problem is this is a sellers market. You never know who will pop up at the deadline but currently not a lot of names out there because of the play in playoffs we’re almost all the teams still in the hunt. And the names out there will require a lot to make a trade. I mean OKC wants a 1st for Kenrich Williams😬 and you touched on another key factor. All the names out there are under contract so there is no urgency for teams to take a lesser deal. With the recent rash of injuries to shooters we may actually be able to get a draft pick for Wayne. And the buyout market maybe even worse. There are no rumors at all concerning teams buying out vets. We simply do not have the assets to compete for the small pool of available players.
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It’s also still in the time zone for a GM to ask high, lotta time left for a deal to get done. No need to sell low, yet. We could still, in theory, win an odd game of musical chairs where we’re the last team offering something before the music stops. A bad Laker offer right at the deadline might be better for some team or other.
But, based on what we have to offer, I just don’t see any moves of impact that we’ll make. Everything we have to offer, and also the targets we are in theory pursuing, will all be better available with the passage of time. Westbrook’s deal? Has slightly more value this summer. Same goes for Turner, although honestly I can easily see a team like Indy giving Rick more time (by that I mean all the way up until the trade deadline for next season) so unless Carlisle says “ship him out”, why bother taking a small return? That timeline is what works against the Lakers who are functioning on LeBron’s timeline and teams know that. they will, smartly, try to extract a little more blood from the rock and we shouldn’t fall prey to that.
Yes, we want to win now but if it costs us everything and we don’t then all we’ve done is both screw up the present and the future. Take your lumps now, get back up with more tools to use and build a better future.
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2 more weeks of this trade speculation nonsense. What a waste of time & energy. Just show me the baby.
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Two things I didn’t like at all were the incredible amount of offensive rebounds we gave up to the smaller Nets and the number of fouls we got called for but that they did not. Getting more than irksome.
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Nice Post Jamie, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. I feel the same way about Monk. I can see value in both starting and off the bench. I think once Nunn is back, it could free Malik for the first unit. I agree that it is all about now. Finishes the trip 4-2 would be good. 5-1 would be great. Embid will get his, it’s important to limit the other guys. The one thing I do disagree with is LeBron was pretty much at the 4 slot on defense. It was a little hard to tell with all the switching but Stanley started each defensive set on the perimeter. He was the one that generally met harden before passing him off to the next guy. That’s what I love about Stanley he can switch 1 through 5.
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re: LeBron at the whatever. I think the switching everything on the perimeter is what works for this team and SJ activates that power a lot better than TA does at the moment. I hope we can move up to a better trapping, pressure defense like we saw last season, not sure we have the guys or moxie to get it done.
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Dennis was the main reason for pressure defense last year. Guarded full court against all competition. Perhaps Nunn is the guy that will be able to do that. I know Tom wants to trade him for a 33 year old because he can shoot 3’s. But I haven’t forgotten how good he is on both sides of the ball and I doubt the front office has either. It’s one thing trading him for a stud like Grant, it’s much different trading him for another old guy that’s not nearly as good except he is on a career hot streek from deep, that may not even be sustainable.
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I’ve actually been high on Nunn and the fact that he hasn’t played and may not before Feb 10 won’t help move the needle on him. Yeah, teams would love him instead of DJ and Baze and while THT is a poor fit, Nunn s/b a good fit for our small ball on steroids.
I have a lot of scenarios where we end up being able to keep Nunn and where he might exercise his player option for the second year so we can keep him long term. I certainly like his fit better than Talen’s, which has become untenable.
Are their older players for whom I would trade Nunn along with THT and the pick? Grant, Turner, Trent Jr, Gordon come to mind. Grant and Turner appear long shots now. Trent Jr. or Gordon or Wood appear more feasible and they would immediately push Bradley to the bench, where he belongs. Upgraded two guard could be the best we can do with a couple of small moves for bigger 3&D wings.
That could be enough if LeBron can play offense like he has and AD defense like he’s capable. One good trade, dump a bunch of min contracts, and grab some better fits in the buyout market. It’s a long shot but possible.
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Also, when it comes to who would be in greater demand by contending NBA teams, Kendrick Nunn is just a shot in the dark compared to what Eric Gordon would bring to the Lakers or any NBA team out there. Treating Gordon like the one notch over minimum salary player that Nunn is right now is naive. Gordon would be a championship addition similar to what P.J. Tucker was for the Bucks. Nunn is what he is, a player who still may be 2 months from seeing the hardwood.
There are almost zero basketball analysts who would think the unproven Kendrick Nunn ($5M/Yr) would be preferred talent wise over a proven elite defender and 3-point shooter like Eric Gordon ($18.2M/Yr). Gordon will be one of most coveted players by the deadline. As Eric Pincus says, Nunn is not a plus trading chip. In fact, he’s likely to opt into that second year and $5M this summer. He is no championship starting shooting guard like Eric Gordon or Gary Trent, Jr. could be for the Lakers.
The main reason I’m not a fan of starting Monk or Nunn is they’re just 6′ 3″ and get hunted every single possession. Now Nunn has some athleticism and hops to compete and Nunn does too but you cannot put 6′ 3″ defenders on James Harden or his ilk and get away with it. Russ at 6′ 3′ needs an elite defender who won’t be hunted to completement him. Eric Gordon could be the Lakers best option to fill that role.
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Goodday, Jamie, and Thanks for the Fiver:
1. A starting five that makes sense? I guess close counts with Vogel lineups like it does with horse shoes. On the surface, I thought Avery played as well as he could, scoring 9 points on 4 of 8 shooting with 2 steals against Harden. Looking behind the box score, Avery had a second worst on the team -10.6 net rating for the 24 minutes he played. Onlly worse was Kent Bazement. Why do I not want Bradley as a starter? He cannot stay in front of his man. He hunts, pecks, and nibbles but ultimately gets blown by. His DefRtg last night was team worse 123.4, Monk or Reaves should be the starting two guard. Ultimately, it may be the player we trade THT, Nunn, and FRP for. Otherwise, yes, better lineup.
2. Ariza DNP. Frank is like Satan, he’ll lure you into his nightmare by finally and belatedly accepted Ariza is washed and put him on the same shelf it took him months/weeks to stop wasting time with DJ, Baze, and Wayne. The proverbial Island of Misfit Toys. How long before he finally puts Bradley on that same shelf? The funnist tweet I saw yesterdayt called Avery Bradley as Frank Vogel’s boyfriend. That should tell you how long it will take. The bad news is we’re not going to get Jerami Grant. The good news is we might be able to get a shooting guard like Gordon or Trent Jr.
3. Monkrowave! Starter or 6MOY candidate? I love Malik coming off the bench and think that’s where he should stay. The tri of Monk, Melo, and Reaves coming into the game with shooting, smarts, and defense needs to be saved. Maybe add Nunn to that group soon too, That’s the framework of a great 9-man rotation. I see the Lakers more likely to trade for Eric Gordon or Gary Trent Jr., a bigger (6′ 5″ or 6′ 6″) 3&D shooting guard to complement Russ. That’s whom I expect to be the starting shooting guard going forward.
4. Nothing to do but love Melo. His midrange game along with LeBron’s post up game are our version of Booker and CP3 or PG and Kawhi. Having deadly midrange shooters adds to our versatility. All we need is more size in the form of one more stretch 4 and one more stretch 5.
5. The young guys. I still see Monk as a young guy. He’s only started one game in his NBA career outside of the Lakers. Anyway, Monk, Reaves, THT, and Nunn is a good quartet of young talent. Wish they weren’t all guards but I see THT and Nunn as likely being swapped for a 4 or 5. Do agree Lakers need to be getting a real star to give up Reaves or Monk. So there is still a line in the sand we cannot go over.
I continue to disagree with you regarding the Lakers making moves. There will be opportunities. Rob just needs to get creative. In the end, the Lakers will move THT, Nunn, and the FRP for the best fitting starter at the two or three they can get plus other minor moves for players like Holiday to fix our size issues at the 3.
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I think Bradley helps set a defensive tone. He will not atop guys and frankly I doubt there is a single player in the NBA that can consistently prevent the greats from getting to their spots. He was guarding James a lot and held his own, that’s what you want. Also, the rest of the team did it’s job better in that we didn’t become Team Oxygen and give some no-name-Joe a career night. Clean up the fouls and the rebounding issues and we’re right where we want to be on D.
Hard for me to see a move happening. We have so little to offer and other teams have been stockpiling picks better. Any major move will likely involve an overpay of either a young player or picks which I don’t see as being smart. Could see something, I guess but I highly doubt it. Same as last year.
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Bradley is just this year’s version of Dennis Schroeder, a player who wants you and the player he’s guarding to think he’s going to shut you down but is always a step or two too slow and gets beat and allows his man to turn the corner to the rim. Lots of reaches and steal attempts don’t mean anything if the defender can use a screen to scrape you off like dog dung as he attacks the rim.
There’s a fundamental reason why players like Bradley and Schroeder never show the stats to back their supposed strong point of attack defense. The reason is most of what they do is fake activity that accomplishes nothing but somehow convincing Frank Vogel that Avery Bradley played good defense last night despite having the second worst defensive rating after Kent Bazemore.
Even with two beautiful steals on Harden, Avery had a team worse 123.4 defensive rating and second team worse negative 10.6 net rating. Yeah, that’s the kind of defense that kept Andre Drummond, DeAndre Jordan, Kent Bazemore, and recently Trevor Ariza thriving in Frank Vogel’s lineups.
AVERY BRADLEY IS NOT A CHAMPIONSHIP NBA STARTER.
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Tom I don’t think I’m the one that’s naïve. Thinking you can get a 23 year old player like Trent Jr for our package is naive. Same goes for Wood, although I doubt if the Lakers even have any interest in him. As for Gordon, you are basing everything on who Gordon was, not what he is now. By the way he’s only 6’ 3” also if you didn’t know, wouldn’t he be hunted as well? As for 3 point shooting goes, sure he has shot a higher percentage than Nunn did last year. But here is the reality. Nunn made 2.2 3’s on 5.7 attempts, Gordon 2.3 makes on 5.1 attempts. Not an huge difference maker. Nunn is 26 with young legs and is the better defender then 33 year old Gordon. And he will be under contract through age 35. On top of it all you want to throw in THT who for better or worse is our best trade chip. Who do you think teams this summer will prefer a 22 year old THT or a 34 year old Gordon.? Considering we don’t utilize our 3 point shooters constantly it’s going to be an improved defense that will win games. Beside Nunn can play the point as well as the 2. He can defend quick point guards. Gordon isn’t that guy any more. Oh one last thing. Gordon shot under 32% the prior 2 years and he has never approached 45% in his career before. Do you think what is doing now is sustainable? I find giving up everything we have left for a 33 year old Gordon when we could plug Malik into that spot naïve as well.
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Followed by “WHY AREN’T YOU TAKING EVRY SINGLE ONE OF THESE LIKE SUPER SERIOUS MAN?!?!?!” lol
I kid, a good 1/3 are other people’s trade notions.
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In my defense, after being locked in the house high on Percocet trying to sleep sitting on the sofa in a crazy Velcro nightmare high tech sling after my shoulder replacement surgery only to awaken to learn Frank Vogel has been given front office permission to play whomever he wants for the rest of the season.
It’s like being locked in a dream where Byron Scott is the Lakers new general manager who declares the team is going replace Frank Vogel with Kurt Rambis as head coach and restore the Triangle as the only legitimate championship NBA offense. The only way to get out of the dream is to accept becoming a Clippers or Celtics fan.
I am now shifting all of my trade efforts on finding a shooting guard whom even Frank Vogel would start before Avery Bradley. Avery Bradley has become the avatar that rules Frank Vogel’s reign. Lakers could be down 0-4 in the first round of the playoffs and Frank would still be starting Avery and probably trying to figure out how to get more minutes out of DeAndre Jordan and give Kent Bazemore an opportunity to play. After all, they’re all proven vets and analytics mearsures them wrong.
It’s like we’re screwed for sure. Lakers aren’t going to replace Frank until this summer, which means we have a lame duck coach who’s been given full power to play whomever he pleases. Multiple unrequited and unsuccessful roles wasted on players like DeAndre Jordan, Kent Bazemore, Andre Drummond, and Avery Bradley have shown Frank is terrible at building lineups and rotations. It’s like he can’t get his excessive defensive bias out of the way from wrecking his lineups and rotations. He’s beeb dumb, stubborn, and wrong over and over and yet never seems to learn from these mistakes.
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That is quite the defense. Lol, in all honesty I think that a decent amount of our defensive issues will be solved with the more athletic and now rested AD at the 5. Ariza has to be booted out of the starting 5 and LBJ to the 3 w/Johnson or Melo. That might be how we end the season. I also think we’re still going to be more from Russ. Still have faith in greatness
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There are two ways this story ends.
In the first, AD inspires the team, we pull of a big surprise trade for a starter, and we ride a perfect storm of good fortune to #18.
In the second, the story slowly leaks out about the attempts of Kurt Rambis to pull off a coup and take control of the team from Rob Pelinka using Frank Vogel’s plight to get Jeanie Buss’s support for the coup.
Now that the rebels have been held at bay, the universe actiously awaits the return of its young prince to join the King in the fight for #18.
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Updated: January 24, 2022
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The Los Angeles Lakers can’t seem to get out of their own way this season.The team’s roster construction has been highly criticized. Despite having plenty of superstar talent, L.A. hasn’t been able to produce wins on a consistent basis.
As a result, the team seems to be exploring its options on the trade market. Unfortunately, the Lakers don’t have tons of trade chips. A recent report revealed which assets the Lakers are offering teams in trade talks, and it’s a short list.
“They’re calling teams offering a future first, Kendrick Nunn, and Talen Horton-Tucker, who has underwhelmed this season, and no one is biting yet,” wrote Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer.
Horton-Tucker’s first few games this season were impressive, but since then, he hasn’t been playing at a very high level. Excluding his first three games, he’s averaging just 9.1 points per game on 39.9 percent shooting from the field this season.
The youngster certainly hasn’t taken the leap many folks were hoping for, which is surely impacting his value on the trade market. It remains to be seen if he’ll end up being moved.
As for Nunn, he still hasn’t appeared in a game for the Lakers. If a team wants to trade for him, that organization is going to have to judge him based on his first two NBA seasons with the Miami Heat.
During those two seasons, Nunn averaged 15.0 points, 2.9 rebounds and 3.0 assists per game. He shot 45.8 percent from the field and 36.4 percent from 3-point land.
Only time will tell if the Lakers find a way to put a deal together using these assets. A splash on the trade market could be what L.A. needs to turn things around this season.
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I feel the same way, for the most part. However there are some scenarios I can imagine, or as LT might say be optimistic about, in terms of the Lakers being able to snag the last chair the in the game for free agent musical chairs. Timing might be critical on the last day but I’ll be pretty amazed if anything happens until then.
They’ll give everyone with AD as much time as possible, is my thinking. If the defense takes a step up with AD, if we generate better looks and make more open threes with AD that changes a lot about this team. Same goes for if Nunn ever plays for us.
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The question could be what could we get for THT, Nunn, Monk, Reaves, and the 2027 FRP?
If that is not enough to get Grant or Turner, then we look to trade just THT for Gordon, Wood, or Turner. We need at least one new starter at the two, three, four, or five.
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The problem is this. All the name players are under contract for at least another year. There is zero incentive for a team to trade for a less then desirable return if they can just hold onto that player and try again in summer. As for a smaller trade for a guy like Gordon. I don’t feel that is likely. While it’s easy to forget because he he hasn’t played, Nunn is a very good player. He was okay he talk of the camp before he got hurt. He is now close to returning so unless it’s for a star I suspect they want to see what Nunn can bring. He is much better then Gordon is at this stage of his career. Nunn is a better defender and scorer. Gordon is having a career year from 3 but will it last on this team? As we have seen great 3 point shooters come to the Lakers to die.
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This game was it for me as far as Frank Vogel is concerned. I will no longer support him remaining as the head coach of the Lakers. He should be fired ASAP. He is a stupid idiot who has no idea how to put together a winning starting lineup or rotations.
Starting Russ, Bradley, LeBron, Ariza, and Dwight for the third game in a row despite horrible stats and eyetest was too much. I loved the decisions Frank made in the bubble but his decisions on lineups and rotations all year long have been brain dead and illogical.
Just look at the stats for the Russ, Bradley, LeBron, Ariza, and Dwight starting lineup the last three games despite the team ending up trailing by double digets in each game due to the poor offense, defense, and overall play of the team’s starting lineups. In fact, the only reason we won one of these three games is Frank replaced Dwight with Stanley but left Ariza and Bradley in the starting lineup.
Yes, we had injuries and Covid but the real culprit to this season was an old school coach who refused to accept the direction of the front offfice and figure out how to play the shooters Pelinka signed and instead contuinued to play DeAndre Jordan and two bigs and refused to embrace the small ball style the front office wanted to play to make Russ work.
Basically, we had a coach lead an insurrection that derailed the first half of the Lakers season. Time for a change. Bring in Mike D’Antoni or any coach who will run plays to get our shooters shots and motivate this veteran team to play defense. Right now, it’s obvious Frank Vogel can no longer do the job for which he was hired.
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I’m not so certain Frank is the sole reason for a lot these struggles LT. I am a fan of the Vogel defense and have long questioned the Vogel offense. Wish we would have brought in a keener mind on offense when Kidd left. We didn’t. Don’t know if Frank picked or Rob picked Fizzy but he’s here and there aren’t a lot of good mid-season replacements.
I don’t think I like many of the re-read names out there floating around. I’d just as soon see someone who hasn’t coached at the NBA level or someone LeBron and AD trust to get it done. So far the team seems to still back Frank, at least when a microphone is in their face and a question has been posed.
If we come back from this roadie a couple games under .500 it’s Fizdale or Rambis. Hard to see them going outside the organization at this point and, in all honesty…I prefer Kurt who at least has been a part of both a championship culture and the Lakers for longer than Dave has. Also, Dave has never once impressed me as a coach. Neither has Kurt but it would seem those are the in-house candidates.
In terms of this summer…I dunno. I fear Luke Walton 2.0 or MDA 2.0. Too green and too old, respectively and MDA doesn’t feel like he’ll be back ever. Another obstacle not talked about yet is money. We hired the cheapest coach we could find and he turned around and won a banner. So it’s hard for me to imagine the Lakers shelling out top dollar for a coach these days, especially after how business was handled in the summer.
I will say that it’s hard for me to see Frank coaching past this season here. It’s my hope that Jeannie really cleans house: goodbye Rob, Frank and hello new brain trust. Promote some of the better scouting guys into bigger roles, they obviously do a solid job. Really conduct a coaching search and when you find the guy pay him right. Stop cheaping out on literally every facet of your team.
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I can’t remember a more disappointing, frustrating, or dysfunctional Lakers’ season than this one. In the end, I blame Frank Vogel for the travesty this season has become.
I understand the arguments about how the front office should also be held responsible for putting together a roster that ultimately became unbalanced partly due to poor construction and partly due to untimely injuries.
But in the end, I’ve always believed the buck stops with the coach. who deserves the credit when the win and the blame when they lose. Coaches for me have always been the difference makers. The difference between winning or losing.
Coaches are more than just play callers or guys who just roll the ball out for superstar players. They’re who builds the chemistry, camaraderie, and culture of winning on championship teams. It’s their job to coach around the roster issues, injuries, and other obstacles life throws in the way of winning.
Frank Vogel wasted half of this season playing lineups that made little sense in terms of spacing on offense or rim protection on defense. His starting lineups led the team to starting every game behind. His prioritizing of analytics disasters like DeAndre Jordan and now Avery Bradley continue to prevent this team from developing consistent good starting lineups and rotations.
There is little a coach can do to damage his teams’ chances of winning more than playing the wrong players at the wrong times. Bradley and Ariza have about the same justification for starting as DeAndre Jordan did. Not only has Frank consistently chosen the wrong players to play but he’s then grouped them together with other players who don’t complement each other. The end result are lineups that are not capable of playing good offense or defense. Lineups like Russ, Bradley, LeBron, Ariza, and Howard lineups that started the last three games.
Frankly, I doubt the Lakers will fire Vogel just as I doubt Vogel will give in and bench Bradley, no matter how poorly he plays or how many times he allows the man he is defending to turn the corner and get into the paint. Vogel is toast in my book and as long as he coaches, the Lakers have zero chance of winning another championship. There’s nothing positive or good to say about lame duck coaches. Waiting until summer is stupid. Vogel has shown already he is not the solution going forward. Better to fire him now even if it means going with a temporary head coach. Hell, give the ball to Phil Handy. I bet he would at least play the right guys.
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I’m also not saying Frank Vogel is the only problem we have right now or the only reason we need change.
What I’m saying is that it’s the coach’s job to deal with the rosters, injuries, Covid, matchups, stars, shadow GM’s, and somehow craft together a way to overcome and win.
Some of it is strategies and systems but honestly most of it is about the art of building lineups and rotations that work, create synergy, and energize the players to play their best. It’s about figuring out what are the right combinations to start and the right rotations.
That’s where Frank has totally failed. He has wasted so many opportunities starting DeAndre Jordan, Avery Bradley, Talen Horton-Tucker, Dwight Howard, or Trevor Ariza and taken so long to finally learn none of them are the right solutions to start. And every personnel decision made seems to favor defense at the expense of offense.
Eye test or analytics, Vogel’s lineups and rotations have been unacceptably bad. His job as coach was to figure this out and frankly, he’s failed to perform his job.
I, for one, have never subscribed to the fire him now or later proponents. Vogel is not the right coach for this team right now. Once that’s decided, fire him regardless of who you have to replace him. No lame duck stuff.
Instead, get serious about LeBron James career. Talk to Mike D’Antoni. Run an extensive coaching search. Lakers head coach is best job in the world. Hire a temp coach for now – Phil Handy? – if you have to, but don’t leave Vogel running things. That’s like just giving up.
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No disagreement from me. I have always been 50/50 on Frank. Very much appreciate what he’s been able to do with what he’s been given, this season included.
I think the real issue is the gravity of specific personalities. If Frank has input on roster construction (and I think he has minimal at best, that it goes Rob, LBJ/AD/Frank) he needs to do a better job advocating for kind of players he needs to do his job well.
As you said, and I’ve said, and everyone has been saying: we don’t run an offense. But we did have an elite defense when we had the personnel to run it. That was the biggest difference between this season and last. Bubble year was a perfect blend of all of the ingredients: vets who could still play at a high level, shooters who could defend, and LBJ/AD playing at a high level consistently throughout the year. Last year, with not much AD or LBJ, we still had an elite defense that got us into the playoffs and then AD and LBJ just weren’t there.
We over-corrected that issue, too much I would say, and now we have old guys who can’t do anything at all, young guys who aren’t ready, and AD and LBJ not both playing at a high level. LeBron is simply not enough. Even Russ and LeBron isn’t enough because Russ is the guy we need to scheme and cover for a bit on D. With AD out and nobody stepping into a good role defensively we’re sunk. The Lakers under Vogel have never, ever been about the offense just the D. The offense is named LeBron James.
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Thanks Buba. Nothing pisses me off more than when pro athletes half-ass their way through large chunks of a game and then turn it on in the final frame. it’s infuriating and insulting. On the podcast with TJ he made a ton of great points about the work ethic, or lack thereof. I’m sure they put in time, but with the intent being….what? I can’t see it and it’s not translating onto the basketball court.
Anyhow, hoping AD’s return eases some of the defensive issues. Not sure what the rest of the season holds in store for us fans but it’s hard to see it getting much worse so hopefully brighter days are ahead.
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Sounds like we offered THT and a first rounder for Jeremi Grant and we’re rebuffed. Whether it was because of THT or the time the draft pick becomes relevant or both it kinda doesn’t matter. We don’t have a lot of trade assets that move anyone’s needle. Best to look for ways to improve from within.
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I agree Jamie. We don’t have enough to land a star and trading THT for some of the other names out there like Eric Gordon really doesn’t move the needle for me, that would feel like a lateral move. Especially if you want guards that can switch onto bigger players. We are better off keeping the kid and see what he can bring by the playoffs. I think signing Stanley is important. And if a good player does materialize on the buy out market we have a couple of guys we can cut.
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Good fiver, Jamie.
1. Russ bounce back. Good to see Russ taking the right path and being positive rather than pouting. We need that. Sustainability seems to be our most consistent problem. We just cannot seem to sustain good fortune and good play. Russ needs to show in the big games coming up. That will be the key to the rest of the season.
2. Good game from Trevor. Team high +20 plus/minus even though he only scored 5 points. While I was happy to see Ariza play well, he’s not going to be the solution we need at 6′ 8″. We still need to add a stretch four or five who can impact our defense. Stanley should start over Trevor.
3. LeBron pacing himself and shooting lots of threes is fine with me. James knows his body and game and obviously feels adding more 3-point shooting is going to make him more versatile and save him energy rather than having to attack the paint every time. Sometimes, your ability to hit from deep is the only spacing you need to get to the rim. I still strongly want the Lakers to trade for Myles Turner.
4. Great to see Melo hitting shots on the road. I love both his midrange and 3-point shooting. Making an effort on defense is also been positive. Just need to keep his minutes down so his energy is up.
5. Playing elite defense is the key to the rest of this season. We both agree upon that. We need AD and Nunn back ASAP. And we need to make a trade for one more starter with size who can 3&D. Get healthy and add one more legitimate starter and we will have a puncher’s shot at winning a championship.
Some big games coming up. Miami on Sunday, Nets on Tuesday, and 76ers on Thursday. I’m hoping we can somehow pull off a couple of wins in these three games. Will be tough but we have to step up to the plate sometime soon if we’re going to pull off a comeback for this miserable season. Why not now?
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Totally agree, man. Nunn was one of our “big” moves this offseason but now it would appear we would have been better off not signing him at all, giving that cap resource to either Malik Monk (and making it easier to retain him this summer) or keeping Caruso. Hindsight is 20/20 on that one, though. No way anyone could have predicted a bone bruise would take over half of the season to heal. All in all, I just don’t what we have moving many needles and I’m not too high on 33+ players at this time. We got a lot of those in spades.
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What he said.
Right now, something’s missing. The glue that binds the team’s chemistry has cracked and were seeing bone on bone disruptions of functionality that smacks of a self-destructing team on the precipice of disaster.
Ultimately, this will fall on Rob Pelinka’s head. He’s the GM who built this team regardless of LeBron and AD controlling the team’s direction by meeting with Russ. Frank is victim and contributing confounder.
Don’t know if this team has anybody who can provide the spark to create an internal fire that brings this team back together. Something is obviously wrong right now. Stephen King wrong. We’re just starting to see the cracks. Getting harder and harder to see how we can change the course we’re on right now.
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Getting Covid mighta saved Frankie’s job because it allowed Fizz to take those L’s. He really should be on the hot seat right now and the overall team effort makes it look like he’s lost the locker room. If he had input on the construction of this roster but had no plan on how to use it then that’s on him. If Rob didn’t seek his input when constructing this roster then that spells doom for him also. Dead man walkin.
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Sounds like Philly is still a big-time no-go for Mr. Westbrook.
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Nor has Ben another team to do likewise, at least not for the haul Morey envisions.
In all honesty I see Morey sitting on this egg until at least this summer. He’s drawing a line in the sand that is in regards to players dictating to the degree that they do the composition of rosters. If you let Ben and Klutch pull this off for anything less than an embarrassment of riches you are setting such an incredibly bad precedent. Ben and Klutch are going to hemorrhage money in this scenario, especially Ben, and I don’t think there’s a good or easy path for him to recoup those losses. He’s basically going to have top prove that he is, in fact, mentally unfit to play in general and not just for those terrible and mean Philly fans. At that point he is stuck. The “mental disability” card will have completely back-fired. As it should.
Frankly, I hope this blows up in Ben and Klutch’s faces. They believe they control the flow of talent in the NBA, they do not. The GM position is not one for coddling personalities and egos, that is what the coach does these days. GM’s, in theory, build teams. AD forcing his way out of NOLA, this situation with Ben, and other Klutch maneuvering is not good for the game, in my opinion. Morey is showing the stone Griffin could not. I don’t think he’ll get all that he desires but I appreciate him not caving in.
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I’m amazed at the vitriol fans have for Ben Simmons. I’d love a shot at getting Ben on the Lakers because we would then have three legitimate defensive stoppers who could guard all five positions at all three levels of the court.
What we’re seeing is the continued evolution of player freedom from the professional slave market being deployed by Rich Paul. Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, John Wall. All three players who want for whatever reason to take control of their careers and play where or for whom they prefer. Ben’s willing to pay the fines. John just wants to play. And AD got where and with whom he wanted to play. All of us would want the same in our jobs.
I look at Simmons and Wall as opportunities for the Lakers and Klutch to continue their partnership. Player freedom for Klutch. NBA championships for Lakers. Westbrook for Wall or Westbrook for Simmons are almost too logical not to eventually happen.
I also believe we’re all fans of the Lakers and not any one player.