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    Any chance the Bulls jump at Westbrook and FRP for Ball and DeRozan? I don’t think so but the Lakers need to either get creative or shut the rumor mill down publicly. Nobody will believe them if they say “we’re keeping Russ the whole season!” and, while that may be a possibility, it shouldn’t be the goal to let Russ expire as it does limit trades we can make.

    However it does open up the door for S&Ts next summer. FRP and a TPE aren’t the worst things you can get for a player who is already out the door. Problem will become the hard cap but, since we don’t have anyone’s Bird Rights to worry about and Jeannie hates over-spending it’s not the end of the world.

    Still a lot of ways this can go down as a positive for the Lakers. The first 20 games still might pretty much doom the season, though. That’s a brutal stretch.

    With Ball out for extended time...

    Any chance the Bulls jump at Westbrook and FRP for Ball and DeRozan? I don’t think so but the Lakers need to either get creative or shut the rumor mill down publicly. Nobody will believe them if they say “we’re keeping Russ the whole season!” and, while that may be a possibility, it shouldn’t be the goal to let Russ expire as it does limit trades we can make.

    However it does open up the door for S&Ts next summer. FRP and a TPE aren’t the worst things you can get for a player who is already out the door. Problem will become the hard cap but, since we don’t have anyone’s Bird Rights to worry about and Jeannie hates over-spending it’s not the end of the world.

    Still a lot of ways this can go down as a positive for the Lakers. The first 20 games still might pretty much doom the season, though. That’s a brutal stretch.

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    • What you need to understand is the Lakers can NOT keep Russ all year as that would mean his $47 million contract would expire and the Lakers would only have LeBron and AD to match salaries since everybody else would be free agents. He has to be traded at the deadline for contracts that can be aggregated in a trade along with draft picks, Lakers have to decide to go for free agents or trade targets by deadline. Then collect expiring or Lt deals. Can’t do both.

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    5 Things: So This It?

    I’m having a really hard job connecting the dots on this roster. Last season was difficult, too, especially every move made after we traded for Russ (which I was originally in favor of). This? This is getting absurd. Like…are we setting LeBron up to win the MVP because he’ll have dragged this atrocious assemblage of NBA talent to a playin slot? I don’t get it; still, in terms of the season opening roster it looks like this is it.

    1. The choice not to trade Russell Westbrook for either next summer cap space reasons or future draft pick reasons. I have long been harping on Rob for treating first round draft picks like a dude selling old stereos and tires out the back of his van. Every summer he’s been on the job he’s traded at least one. I get it: it’s unlikely we’ll draft the next Laker superstar with LeBron and AD on the team. However, he has often done this while bidding against nobody else (AD and Schroder trades) or to overpay on bringing in talent (Westbrook trade bringing him here). Rob as an agent had a job to maximize the investment a team would commit to his clients. He doesn’t seem to understand that he needs to have a foot in the future as well as in the now as a GM. Win now doesn’t entail simply bailing on the future. Regardless, like the last time we traded for Russ, it’s the moves made after the fact that are more perplexing than choosing to trade for, or in this case move forward with, the mercurial PG. Like last season’s roster we made early moves for easily attainable players, filled the roster out with more players at mismatched positions, and generally didn’t follow the LeBron Rules while filling out the roster.
    2. If keeping Russ on the roster was a possibility why did we move so fast on Lonnie Walker IV? I think of Lonnie Walker as a cheaper, guaranteed for one season instead of possibly two, version of THT. Not known for his defense or shooting, scores by getting to the rim while not really generating foul shots and mostly a project player. This, to me, has Klutch all over it. That’s too bad and basically shits in the face of anyone saying the Lakers are in ‘win now’ mode. If we used the sole spending tool available to us to appease a sports agency…on a player as limited and one-dimensional as Walker is…Rob should be fired. Frankly, Dennis is more worthy of that MLE than LW4. If keeping Russ was always in the mix I really don’t get this one.
    3. Overloading the PG position. One has to hope these signings came with at least the acquiescence of Coach Ham. We’re carrying 4 point guards to start the season none of whom are knockdown shooters. In fact all of them are drive and kick PGs by rep. Again, why go so much against the grain with a LeBron led team? Frankly I wish we had given Isiaih Thomas a shot, at least that dude can shoot and us not much worse on D. The sole reason I can see carrying this many guards is to make sure at least two are healthy. Beverly has missed significant time due to injury the past two seasons and Nunn has yet to play a meaningful game in a Laker uni.
    4. Going all in on next summer. I can see both wisdom and extreme risk in pursuing this line of strategy. We’re bidding against nobody this summer looking to pull from a limited pool of teams to move Russ to. This isn’t a good negotiating environment and that was before the Gobert trade inflated expectations beyond reality. There are better players than what’s available that could be targeted next summer. Wiggins, D’Angelo (since the Lakers seem big on reunions) and, yes, Kyrie Irving could all be on a list of players one could consider to be better than the current crop available in a trade now. We could also whiff on all of them, we’ll only have $35ish mil in money we can offer next summer, well short of a max salary offer. Does Wiggins want to move on from a roster already built to win now? For less than the max? To still be in LeBron’s sizable shadow for at least one, possibly two, seasons? Is Kyrie worth that much, honestly? The dude wants to play 55/games a season at his whim. D-Russ isn’t really a needle mover. I could see a combo of Turner and Russ but I’d there enough money to get both? Lotta risk on that path but it does keep assets we can use on down the line in-house.”

    All in all this has been about as disappointing of a follow up to last season as can be imagined. Far from a master class I feel like Rob has flunked out at every turn. Either you’re all-in on trading Russ or you’re not. Either build around LeBron or accept the ridicule and risk of assembling a junk pile of a team. If this is a plan it’s an awful one, too to bottom, inside and out. I had though a Russ trade would be difficult due to his contract size and the amount of the requisite buyout. I didn’t imagine the Lakers would both double-down on bad fits around Russ and LeBronpr impose artificial barriers to getting deals done. I thought Rob deserved to be fired after assembling last season’s team. If he’s not fired after this I just might take a break from this crappy version of NBA reality TV until substantial change happens. I’ve done it with the Angels team I grew up watching and I have no problem cancelling the outlandish amount of money I pay/month in cable bills to watch a clown team play junk basketball. This has become a joke, at least on paper. It looks more like a silly reality TV show than an NBA team. All we need to do is bring back Nick Young. I’ll tune in…for now, but the franchise is walking a line it never even needed to get close to with bad choice after bad choice.

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    • This becoming less about “am I a fan of the team” which I am and will be forever. It’s now entered “is this worth my personal financial commitment to have access to every game?” Territory. I enjoy watching LeBron play. No doubt. LeBron ain’t Kobe. I don’t feel anywhere near the same connection to The King than I did the Black Mamba. Shelling out a Benjamin a month loses its appeal when you think those running the team are more interested in their bottom line than in being competitive. I can forgive a bad decision or two in the course of free agency. But for cheapness to be the driving factor while expecting your fans to shell out top dollar just to support the brand is precisely where I draw the line. A sucker may be born every minute but that doesn’t mean I need to willfully join the club. If the Lakers are blowing and everyone is towing the company line again expect a fan revolt. Because the fans deserve better than poorly assembled teams and bad spending choices season after season.

    • You need to open your own photo exhibit dude!

    • Nobody’s giving up their cable subscription as long as LeBron & AD are still on the floor. I’m as frustrated as anyone but we’ve been through worse in very recent history. Like when we were actively tanking for draft picks. That was far more painful and insulting. We make the playoffs last season if not for all the injuries.

      • I’m just having a hard time seeing what the current intelligence is behind the process. Feels as much about taking care of Klutch guys as it does fielding a competitive team. I’m certainly not canceling anything anytime soon. But, being an Angel fan, I can see the signs of “we got some talent, c’mon down to the ballpark..but we don’t mind losing an neither should you!” showing now. Willfully tanking was bad but I always felt like it came from a well-intentioned place. Granted Jim was an even worse evaluator of talent than Rob is. I always rooted for Mitch but I think his heart wasn’t in it anymore by the end. Not sure it’s there now seeing some of the deals he’s making. Anyhow, since we won everything feels like brand management, keeping Klutch happy and making sure LeBron is wearing a Laker jersey when he breaks this or that record. It’s not compelling.

        • At least Artie has the decency to sell the team; Dodgers made a huge turnaround as soon as they got Frank McCourt up outta there. But Jeanie ain’t going anywhere.

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    Honestly I don’t know what this means. Another spotty outside shooter who was only OK at ball distribution. It’s like we took Frank’s team away from him, fired him, and now we’re bringing it back again. I suppose it could portend a Russ trade but we’ll have to waive someone to do it. If it’s the roster being done I would have preferred bringing back Melo.

    Schroder Returns

    Honestly I don’t know what this means. Another spotty outside shooter who was only OK at ball distribution. It’s like we took Frank’s team away from him, fired him, and now we’re bringing it back again. I suppose it could portend a Russ trade but we’ll have to waive someone to do it. If it’s the roster being done I would have preferred bringing back Melo.

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    • Honestly, this is kind of pissing me off. Could have gotten a TPE for the guy but now we’re doubling down after we threw away a draft pick to get him from OKC. It’s asinine and silly.

      • This doesn’t make sense to me even if there is a Westbrook trade in the works. We already have a log jam at guard. Could there be a trade that involves Nunn or even Beverley? Who knows what Robb’s doing.

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    Jeannie is helping bring Women Of Wrestling!!! Now I better understand why we traded for Patrick.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/la-lakers-jeanie-buss-female-wrestling-franchise-they-deserve-spotlight

    WOW!!!

    Jeannie is helping bring Women Of Wrestling!!! Now I better understand why we traded for Patrick.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/la-lakers-jeanie-buss-female-wrestling-franchise-they-deserve-spotlight

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    “Russell Westbrook is not a buyout guy,” she said during a recent podcast appearance. “You have to agree to a buyout, and that’s not how he is wired. This is a guy who is very proud, and if you accept a buyout once in your career, you’re seen differently throughout the rest of your career.”

    Shelburne continued to explain why Westbrook wouldn’t accept a buyout.

    “Russ is Russ because of his swagger and the way he bleeds with it, the way he plays with it,” she said. “You can’t retreat from that. You can’t let go of that because that’s what made Russ, Russ — it’s his swagger. If he accepts that, then he’s no longer Russell Westbrook.”

    If she’s right, and it’s hard to disagree with her logic, that all but sinks just about any Westbrook trade now and likely the whole season. It would mean team X WANTS Russ on the team, not just for his cap clearing expiring deal but to show up for the remainder of the season and play. Someone show me that list, lol.

    If Ramona is right...

    “Russell Westbrook is not a buyout guy,” she said during a recent podcast appearance. “You have to agree to a buyout, and that’s not how he is wired. This is a guy who is very proud, and if you accept a buyout once in your career, you’re seen differently throughout the rest of your career.”

    Shelburne continued to explain why Westbrook wouldn’t accept a buyout.

    “Russ is Russ because of his swagger and the way he bleeds with it, the way he plays with it,” she said. “You can’t retreat from that. You can’t let go of that because that’s what made Russ, Russ — it’s his swagger. If he accepts that, then he’s no longer Russell Westbrook.”

    If she’s right, and it’s hard to disagree with her logic, that all but sinks just about any Westbrook trade now and likely the whole season. It would mean team X WANTS Russ on the team, not just for his cap clearing expiring deal but to show up for the remainder of the season and play. Someone show me that list, lol.

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    • Sounds like we should all get used to this: James, Westbrook, Davis, Beverley, Lonnie Walker IV, Kendrick Nunn, Damian Jones, Wenyen Gabriel, Thomas Bryant, Troy Brown Jr., Juan Toscano-Anderson, Austin Reaves, Max Christie, Jay Huff, Fabian White Jr. and Javante McCoy.

      Cole Swider and Scotty Pippen Jr. are on two-way contracts

      • If they don’t trade Russ, they have no chips to make moves and this roster could go down in flames quickly. No shooting or forwards with size to back uo James and Davis. And an inexperienced center coming off a major injury.

    • Been saying this since Russ coming here became a possibility; hell, since Lebron became a possibility…you can’t bring in dudes on this level expecting them to be anything other than what’s made them into dudes on this level. Lebron was never gonna mentor a buncha young dudes…he was gonna get them da fuqq up outta here for some dudes he could win with right now. Aint his job to worry about the future. Russ wasn’t gonna come here and be anything except RUSS. Full on, hair on fire, 100 mph. Good or Bad. And Frankie for damn sure wasn’t gonna be the coach who had the gravitas to change him. D.Ham seems to think he can do it but that’s probably a mistake as well. If you’re keeping him then you gotta accept him doing RUSS things and go from there. If he stays then it’ll luckily only be a one year experiment.

      I could actually see him retiring at the end of this deal instead of changing. Just a different cat and that’s what made him a HOFer.

      • Yup. Spot on regarding the way these dudes are wired. Phil Jackson could maybe kinda sorta not really get that level of talent to buy in. None of these coaches are Phil. Rob ain’t Jerry West. And so on.

        • 100%. I’m also not sure that LBJ is the same type of leader as MJ & Kobe from a personality standpoint. I think he’s a lil bit more passive/aggressive and not so much of a get in your face & cuss you out type of dude. Uses social media & traditional media too much to get his message across.

          • There is something to that, Mongo. Getting in guys faces in person is not part if his persona. That’s one reason why I like the Beverley trade. This team needs a player as well as a coach who will keep everybody accountable.

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    Ainge wants a first rounder each for Clarkson, Bojan, and Malik. Dude is off his rocker. You fleeced Minny, got a solid young piece in Sexton. Be content w/multiple second rounders or highly protected 1st rounders for role-players. Hilarious. IMO Rob has been smart not to trash the future for role-players. This whole “any trade at all needs first round draft picks to happen” will kill the trade market. Look at OKC, for example, everyone holds them up as some shining star of rebuilding geniusness all while they are stuck in a rebuild with no clear path out. Shai won’t stay, either gets traded or walks in free agency. You can’t trade for star talent without young talent but also don’t draft your way into a banner. You augment your team through the draft, maybe groom an alpha alongside someone aging out of it (but when has that really ever worked?). NBA free agency, like California real estate, is broken right now. Lakers might be doing the exact right thing by not over-paying now and betting that the whole “destination franchise” makes us attractive to the best free agents.

    Facing Facts

    Ainge wants a first rounder each for Clarkson, Bojan, and Malik. Dude is off his rocker. You fleeced Minny, got a solid young piece in Sexton. Be content w/multiple second rounders or highly protected 1st rounders for role-players. Hilarious. IMO Rob has been smart not to trash the future for role-players. This whole “any trade at all needs first round draft picks to happen” will kill the trade market. Look at OKC, for example, everyone holds them up as some shining star of rebuilding geniusness all while they are stuck in a rebuild with no clear path out. Shai won’t stay, either gets traded or walks in free agency. You can’t trade for star talent without young talent but also don’t draft your way into a banner. You augment your team through the draft, maybe groom an alpha alongside someone aging out of it (but when has that really ever worked?). NBA free agency, like California real estate, is broken right now. Lakers might be doing the exact right thing by not over-paying now and betting that the whole “destination franchise” makes us attractive to the best free agents.

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    At this point it should come as no surprise that of all our “getting paid more than $30 million” players only Russell Westbrook showed up for Patrick Beverly’s introductory news conference. With a crisp high five and bro hug on camera the pair exchanged their first public display of camaraderie. Listen to Pat and he thinks it can work because they both shoot well from different sides of the floor. At any rate, the fact that Russ continued his summer long pattern of being the only max contract Laker to show up for team-related activities speaks volumes.

    To me that says “nothing imminent” and while LT will likely decry these and other moments this summer as smoke screens and posturing at some point either happens or it won’t. I’ve detailed, numerous times and in numerous ways, why I don’t think a trade for Russ is likely before Feb but today’s news conference all but sealed it for me. You have to imagine that Rob keeps Russ abreast of the general situation, that if the Lakers we’re going to change their stance from last February regarding sending out both picks they wouldn’t have waited this long. Russ and Pat exchanging ‘how ya doin?’ pleasantries is a pretty clear indicator neither of them expect anything to happen.

    Teams are filling out roster spots with the scrap heap players, some of whom we know well. Still a couple weeks left but I really don’t see a trade happening once camp starts. Barring an obvious gift from the basketball gods trade I don’t see anything happening until the deadline. With every actual
    Piece of news or quote from someone on the team that conclusion becomes borderline inevitable.

    Does that make me happy? I’m still working through that. Russ was bad last season, Rob’s GMing was arguably worse and we had about zero luck on the health front. Rob is still crapping it up as a GM, in my opinion. If keeping Russ was a remote possibility Rob needed to bring in better shooters and defensive specialists than LW4 for the MLE and should have drafted the best defender possible with the 2nd rounder we bought. Swapping THT for Pat Bev currently ranks as Rob’s best trade to date. That’s scary. To me, anyhow. So, while I just don’t see Rob sending out both picks for the deals on the table, I do see him making his first in-season trade by Feb. The only thing that can stop that is Russ playing well which I think all of us have a hard time seeing.

    Chums and pals?

    At this point it should come as no surprise that of all our “getting paid more than $30 million” players only Russell Westbrook showed up for Patrick Beverly’s introductory news conference. With a crisp high five and bro hug on camera the pair exchanged their first public display of camaraderie. Listen to Pat and he thinks it can work because they both shoot well from different sides of the floor. At any rate, the fact that Russ continued his summer long pattern of being the only max contract Laker to show up for team-related activities speaks volumes.

    To me that says “nothing imminent” and while LT will likely decry these and other moments this summer as smoke screens and posturing at some point either happens or it won’t. I’ve detailed, numerous times and in numerous ways, why I don’t think a trade for Russ is likely before Feb but today’s news conference all but sealed it for me. You have to imagine that Rob keeps Russ abreast of the general situation, that if the Lakers we’re going to change their stance from last February regarding sending out both picks they wouldn’t have waited this long. Russ and Pat exchanging ‘how ya doin?’ pleasantries is a pretty clear indicator neither of them expect anything to happen.

    Teams are filling out roster spots with the scrap heap players, some of whom we know well. Still a couple weeks left but I really don’t see a trade happening once camp starts. Barring an obvious gift from the basketball gods trade I don’t see anything happening until the deadline. With every actual
    Piece of news or quote from someone on the team that conclusion becomes borderline inevitable.

    Does that make me happy? I’m still working through that. Russ was bad last season, Rob’s GMing was arguably worse and we had about zero luck on the health front. Rob is still crapping it up as a GM, in my opinion. If keeping Russ was a remote possibility Rob needed to bring in better shooters and defensive specialists than LW4 for the MLE and should have drafted the best defender possible with the 2nd rounder we bought. Swapping THT for Pat Bev currently ranks as Rob’s best trade to date. That’s scary. To me, anyhow. So, while I just don’t see Rob sending out both picks for the deals on the table, I do see him making his first in-season trade by Feb. The only thing that can stop that is Russ playing well which I think all of us have a hard time seeing.

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    • I’ll give the Lakers front office strategy team and PR department credit for a great campaign to convince Jamie Sweet and other team’s general managers that Russell Westbrook will be on the roster opening day.

      Of course, none of the other teams’ GM’s believe that so it’s only Jamie hoping that no trade shows up on Twitter. I still believe this is all posturing and there is no intent by the Lakers to bring Russ back this season. They just want to take the high road when it comes to Russ at this point. But they definitely want to move on.

      What I still don’t understand is why the Lakers would want to wait to trade Russ midseason considering all the chaos that bringing him back could cause as well as the difficulty of integrating new key personnel at the halfway point of the season.

      You’re betting the start of the season on there being some magical deal at the deadline when you should be making the trade offseason and building and developing a winner that will be ready to make noise come the playoffs.

      In the end, this could be all about keeping one of the picks, which would be crazy and not something I think LeBron would have approved. This all has to be posturing. Otherwise, none of it makes sense and the Lakers are doomed.

      • Glass half full OF DOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!

      • Lol, not a “magical” trade. That’s your 4 team blockbuster down yonder. A sensible trade. I know that it’s hard to grasp, you’ve been posting fake Russ trades for 10 months straight, but I’m down to about 10-12% chance we get a deal done by camp.

      • i posted straight math on this, the Lakets can keep both picks at the deadline I’d wager. He’ll have about 12 mil left on his deal bu yhe deadline, when he signs for a vet min that means around 9 mil is the buyout price. We become the ine doing someone a favor and depending on how things shake out that team could be bot the three we’re relegated tondealing with now

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    To this day I am often still amazed we got anything of worth for Lonzo Ball. Dude just can’t stay healthy with that left knee. Out for an extended period of time, again.

    Bad news for Lonzo

    To this day I am often still amazed we got anything of worth for Lonzo Ball. Dude just can’t stay healthy with that left knee. Out for an extended period of time, again.

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    Spyda going to Cleveland, doesn’t sound like the Lakers are involved.

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    Spyda going to Cleveland, doesn’t sound like the Lakers are involved.

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    • Nope. Not involved. So that all but wipes the Knicks off the board, hard to see them doing a trade with us straight up as they’ve said they’re not interested in Russ since March. Indy and Utah for the dregs is about all that’s left. Neither trade worth 2 draft picks, both teams likely to insist on both to get it done. Who blinks?

      • I think the Pacers will hold firm now that the Knicks are out of the picture. But will Ainge? With 8 fresh first rounders in his pocket will he turn to dumping salary? Generally salary dumps do not bring back that much in the way of assets. It will be interesting to see how he moves forward. This team is still good enough to win enough games to keep him out of a high draft pick barring a very lucky ping pong ball bounce. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think perhaps the first team to Agee to one pick would get the deal.

        • I agree, but Danny is in full OKC mode right now. I’m sure a Conley/Clarkson/Gay for Russ and a pick entices Utah but no way I pull that trigger if I’m Rob. Wipes out all your space next summer and those are all old dues, except maybe JC.

          Now…would you do that straight up? No picks? That’s a little different because then you can attach a pick and have one left over to move one or more of those guys. Clarkson could slot in as your starting 2. Conley start or backup Bev or rehab a sure-to-come soon injury fo one kind or another. Gay has been solid for years in the right scheme.

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    Ominous news on the Kenrdick Nunn, if you can call it news. Evidently there have been setbacks as he ramps up for full 5-on-5 play, which he has yet to be cleared for. This is coming up on 2 years and now passing beyond bone bruise territory in my completely non-medical opinion. Something more than watching and waiting ought to be happening but there’s not much coming out of the team except for PR and hogwash these days. If he can’t go by camp we may need to seek the injured player exception and shut him down now, we need assets that contribute. He hasn’t been that at all.

    The Bone Bruise That Would Not Heal

    Ominous news on the Kenrdick Nunn, if you can call it news. Evidently there have been setbacks as he ramps up for full 5-on-5 play, which he has yet to be cleared for. This is coming up on 2 years and now passing beyond bone bruise territory in my completely non-medical opinion. Something more than watching and waiting ought to be happening but there’s not much coming out of the team except for PR and hogwash these days. If he can’t go by camp we may need to seek the injured player exception and shut him down now, we need assets that contribute. He hasn’t been that at all.

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    Looks like the Nets were able to get Durant to back off his self-created cliff. Smart move on both sides, they weren’t going to get a better player or the draft haul they wanted. Will this ease the logjam? I’m not so sure. Mitchell hasn’t asked out and that roster in Utah is actually competitive as-is, easily as competitive as us. Indy won’t be taking a pick and pick swap since the Lakers are essentially out of moves.

    Time for the Lakers to start mending their own fractures with Russ unless Rob is given the green light to overpay for two decent to above average role-players. Otherwise we’ll be in a worse situation with the Nets. Since I don’t see either Indy or the Lakers finding a middle ground here the time for a Kumbaya moment has now arrived.

    KD staying

    Looks like the Nets were able to get Durant to back off his self-created cliff. Smart move on both sides, they weren’t going to get a better player or the draft haul they wanted. Will this ease the logjam? I’m not so sure. Mitchell hasn’t asked out and that roster in Utah is actually competitive as-is, easily as competitive as us. Indy won’t be taking a pick and pick swap since the Lakers are essentially out of moves.

    Time for the Lakers to start mending their own fractures with Russ unless Rob is given the green light to overpay for two decent to above average role-players. Otherwise we’ll be in a worse situation with the Nets. Since I don’t see either Indy or the Lakers finding a middle ground here the time for a Kumbaya moment has now arrived.

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    Watching all these website close tents on the Kyrie Irving to LA story is kinda funny. Things are written like “Nets are being stubborn” and “the Lakers have other options besides Brooklyn” all sound cute but totally obfuscate the truth that the Lakers have scraps to offer. Russ will be cheaper to buy out in a few months, our role players either didn’t play last season or shouldn’t have, and the picks are few and far away. Rob is, frankly, completely out of his depth. Far from a master class in team building but rather a lesson on how to look desperate while actually also being quite desperate. Honestly, the Lakers are lucky LeBron has non-basketball reasons to stay. I have no doubt that for all the favors Rob has done Klutch as GM if the team were to lose LeBron suddenly Anthony Davis, and any other Klutch Klient, would suddenly develop a strong and persistent opinion that they should be playing somewhere else. Rob has one move to make and it’s hard to not think he’s still, somehow, blowing it. If (which basically means when now) Russ starts the season in a Laker uni, Rob might be fired before camp concludes. Why? Because we will not be a good team. We might be worse than last season or marginally better, but not good. More likely is he gets you sit in His chair until closer to the end of next season but you never know. Anyhow, we got LeBron and AD so if we don’t bring back players on multi year deals for Russ we’ll be in decent shape next summer. One wonders if it will be Rob’s hand guiding the ship or maybe someone else?

    Funny if it wasn’t so serious

    Watching all these website close tents on the Kyrie Irving to LA story is kinda funny. Things are written like “Nets are being stubborn” and “the Lakers have other options besides Brooklyn” all sound cute but totally obfuscate the truth that the Lakers have scraps to offer. Russ will be cheaper to buy out in a few months, our role players either didn’t play last season or shouldn’t have, and the picks are few and far away. Rob is, frankly, completely out of his depth. Far from a master class in team building but rather a lesson on how to look desperate while actually also being quite desperate. Honestly, the Lakers are lucky LeBron has non-basketball reasons to stay. I have no doubt that for all the favors Rob has done Klutch as GM if the team were to lose LeBron suddenly Anthony Davis, and any other Klutch Klient, would suddenly develop a strong and persistent opinion that they should be playing somewhere else. Rob has one move to make and it’s hard to not think he’s still, somehow, blowing it. If (which basically means when now) Russ starts the season in a Laker uni, Rob might be fired before camp concludes. Why? Because we will not be a good team. We might be worse than last season or marginally better, but not good. More likely is he gets you sit in His chair until closer to the end of next season but you never know. Anyhow, we got LeBron and AD so if we don’t bring back players on multi year deals for Russ we’ll be in decent shape next summer. One wonders if it will be Rob’s hand guiding the ship or maybe someone else?

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    5 Things: Lakers and LeBron together again

    Well that was anticlimactic. Days after he was eligible LeBron did the smart (if semi-boring for planet Earth) thing and signed his extension. The details aren’t surprising: 2 years, $97.1 million/season, 3rd year player option. So now James and Davis match up in a couple years to choose whether to stay Lakers, part ways, or try to join forces somewhere else. For LeBron and his legacy that pushes him past KD as the biggest NBA salary earner in the history of the game. For the Lakers and their path forward things have only become slightly more clear, however. Let’s dig in a little deeper.

    1. The partnership that made the most sense for both sides. LeBron, despite his seeming ability to defy age and time, is on the downside of his career. His priorities after basketball are being as close to his family in a place where they all want to be and that, for the time being, is Los Angeles California. This started when Magic showed up at LeBron’s door with his first contract offer to The King a few years ago. While the Lakers have changed around LeBron, very little about James himself has changed. He wants to win, he wants at least a shot at a title (he knows as well as anyone that there are no guarantees in sport), wants to be close to his family and in a year or so would like to play with Bronny James. That last one is not etched in stone as to when it could happen. LeBron has said he wants his final season to be with his son on the same team. Given LeBron’s longevity that isn’t necessarily next season. Bronny could choose a year (or more) of college which would make a lot of sense from a developmental standpoint as the son of LeBron isn’t appearing on many draft boards, yet. All in all, in terms of his lifestyle, business goals and being on a team with a complimentary superstar in Anthony Davis the Lakers made the most sense from the start.
    2. What does this mean for the Lakers, though? That’s a great question and it’s pretty easy to answer. The front office needs to get better, quickly, at evaluating talent and valuing assets. Whether that asset is a player, coach or a draft pick the Lakers have a small timeline with which to succeed with James and Davis. Once they go it’s basically a full scale rebuild. Since James and Davis powered a vet-heavy but augmented by stellar young role-players the Lakers have, for some reason, been back pedaling when it comes to the roster. Gone are all the key role-players, coach and draft assets we had left over from the AD trade save for 2 tradeable picks 5 and 7 years out, respectively. They have backed themselves into a top heavy, difficult to modulate roster that doesn’t play well in the modern NBA. While there is precedent for outside the box rosters doing well (hello Utah and Cleveland) the norm for the league has seemingly failed to be embraced by the Lakers.
    3. LeBron’s expectations. If you buy into scuttlebutt the Lakers have assured LeBron they’re not done improving this season’s roster. With very tools in the box to use it’s hard for me to see clear pathways to getting it done. With the news that the Nets have rejected a deal for Irving…with both picks included…one more door has closed. It also happened to be LeBron’s preferred door that be passed through, allegedly. The Nets seem to be happy to start the season with Kyrie in the fold. That’s bad news for those hoping to tweak the Big 3 philosophy by switching Kyrie for Russ. That door, for now, would appear closed. That leaves the Lakers with, in theory, only a few avenues left to pursue. Indiana vaults to the top of the hopes and dreams list followed by Charlotte and the one-legged Gordon Hayward and detritus. trading Russ into the Spurs cap space, and waaaaaay back in the distance are teams like Utah, New York, and…well, that may be it. New York has maintained for awhile now no interest in a trade for Russ. Not many doors left and Rob with little savvy and few assets to work with.
    4. What happens if the Lakers can’t make a move before camp? Like Kevin Durant, LeBron James may kick the 2022-23 off a little grumpy. It simply may not be possible to trade Russell Westbrook this summer due to several factors but mainly a lack of grease that makes those kind of deals possible. We have 2 draft picks 5 years out. A few second rounders and the ability to pull off some pick swaps. If the Lakers had tried to move quickly with Brooklyn, like before Kyrie had picked up his extension quickly, a deal may have been possible. The longer the Durant saga played out, and the more apparent it was that teams weren’t going to pile up trade proposals that glittered in the eyes of Sean Marks and Joe Tsai, the more likely it became that Brooklyn would roll the Kyrie Irving dice one more time. He who will be up for a contract after the season, a star player to keep the Nets competitive, and (most importantly of all) is cheaper than Russ. Keeping Kyrie means you get to keep one of Seth Curry or Joe Harris and pair them with an elite point guard. Even if Durant holds out Brooklyn should at least be in the mix for a playin spot next season with Kyrie.
    5. Grumpy LeBron? Sounds kind of like a bad idea to me. Honestly? I can think of worse things than LeBron coming in kind of pissed. Like trading for Gordon Hayward. The Lakers have managed to back themselves into a deep quagmire and to dig themselves out it’s going to take more than two draft picks half a decade out and THT or Nunn. It’s going to take smarts and solid negotiating to the degree Rob can manage. I’ve been shouting all of this into the wind for sometime, knowing that as doors closed and opportunities faded that the reality many in the media and the fan base have been unwilling to really even entertain wasn’t just possible but highly likely: Russell Westbrook will start the season as a Laker. Could Indy coax another draft pick out of Rob and get him to overpay for Buddy Heild and Myles Turner? Maybe, that could even switch to probably if LeBron starts steaming in public. By signing LeBron to an extension the Lakers have done a lot for themselves and their new head coach, though. They have taken a distraction off the table, one fewer question everyone has to answer ad nauseum. It’s down to Russ and his fit and if he and James are still friends?!?! O.M.G. the drama… At the end of the day I doubt LeBron needs much motivation to show up ready to go. However, he’s become a leader through his play and less of a team leader type guy. Maybe he never was that guy in the locker room or on the practice court, bringing guys in, getting them on the same page and kicking a butt or two when it needed kicking. This might be the motivation he needs to get in the lab with Russ and start to figure out what they need to do to make it work.

    The Lakers are up against it. The west is utterly stacked since the Lakers won in the Bubble. Davis hasn’t come close to playing in a full season since his first one here three years ago. At some point time will catch up to LeBron. It’s unlikely that LeBron gets traded, his 15% trade kicker is akin to a “buyer beware” sticker. He’s never been traded in his entire career, hard for me to see it happen at the end. Since we won it all Rob has been like a dude selling tires out the back of van with draft picks. Or even more accurate, more like Oprah on her old TV show “YOU get a first rounder, YOU get a first rounder, EVERYONE gets a first rounder!!!!!” and the time has come for that to end. At some point the Lakers have to live in two places: now and the future. With LeBron signing his extension that time has come, whether the King or anyone else likes it or not. Ride Russ out until at least February and see what can be done. Who knows, Rob may get execute his first ever in-season trade. If not, let the money expire and build it up around James and Davis smarter than has been the case of late. Is it optimal? No, it’s not. Is it smart? If you ask me, yes it is. You have to prepare for a life after LeBron, have a draft pick or two for in-season trades, and get out from under the NOLA trade for AD. Burning every card you got on a bad hand at this point isn’t a gamble it’s a fool’s errand. Here’s hoping Rob sees that as plainly as do I.

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    • I don’t think that’s gonna happen. Jeannie gripes about vet minimum guys who didn’t play. Russ makes a little more money than that. I’ve seen that theory a lot but there’s no way they can hope to trade him if he doesn’t play. There’s no way Jeannie signs off on paying him to stay home. Coach Ham came into this eyes wide open, it’s why they asked the coach how they’d use Russ. He’ll play. He might get benched and gripe or whatever but he’ll be on the active roster and playing some sort of role.

      • I agree 100% with Stan. If Russ is not gone, he should just be sent home. Don’t let him take away minutes from guys who deserve it and poison the team.

        In the end, the Lakers need what they can get from Russ so badly that they can’t wait for the trade deadline. He will be moved before training camp. Count on it. Take it to the bank. Guaranteed.

        • Tom you act as if they didn’t proposition each and every coaching candidate what they would do with Russ, that Jeannie didn’t gripe about paying Jared Dudley a vet minimum to barely play, and that Rob hasn’t raided the future to build mediocre teams for the last 2 seasons. LeBron has/had few options. Ride out his old deal, hope he doesn’t get hurt, and test the free agent market as 39 year old or take max money and preserve his option to bail the year his son could come into the league. That deal doesn’t exist anywhere else. Him coming back was etched in stone.

          • If Russ is on the team, and with the list of trade partners…even with our half decade out first rounders now in the table, shrinking by the day it seems highly likely he will start the season on our roster, he will play. Take it to the bank, bet the farm, guarantee-o-reno.

          • LOL. They asked him because it get a of people, including you, to buy the story that they were going to keep him if they didn’t get an offer they like. It’s also a good question to see what the coach candidates would come up with. It’s been all just a big PR move from Day 1. From his exit interview, it was obvious Russell Westbrook would never wear purple and gold again.

          • You mean taking people T their word that they mean what they say as opposed to taking what you think they mean in some Machiavellian scheme to fool the world that already knows they have like 2 bullets left in the chamber? Yeah, that’s it…how could I have been so obtuse? Lol…

          • No dude, not your trade Russ fantasy but his they pay Russ 47 million dollars NOT to play fantasy. Who in the roster deserves those 25-49 mpg?

        • Also…who on this roster deserves Russ’s minutes?! We got cast offs and non-shooters up and down the roster. Russ is better than 3/4s if the dudes in the team right now. Lol…

          • The minutes go to the guys we get from trading Russ.

          • Russ does not help the Lakers.
            Did you not see last season?
            Addition by Subtraction!

          • I agree Jamie, if Russ can cut back on the bone head stuff, all he needs to be is respectable. I with you, I really don’t see a trade until later in the year. And I read a article. And apparently LeBron understands that there may not be any trades until later in the year. I’m in no hurry for a Pacer trade. There is a reason Buddy comes off the bench. All he can do at a high level is shoot. And Turner’s an upgrade but not a huge up grade. The Pacer trade doesn’t get us into the top 4 in the west unless some the others take big steps forward. I’m interested in seeing what Thomas Bryant looks like. His star was rising before the injuries. The only reason he is on the team is because of the injuries. If healthy he runs the floor better then Turner and is a much better defender and 3 point shooter. If he is back in form, he will be as big of a steal as Malik was last year.

    • I guess, just don’t see it going down any other way.

      • Well LBJ wasn’t a free agent and was going to be here next season one way or the other. Just tacked on more years in one of the few places that made sense. In terms of how/what the FO thinks? Man that’s been a mystery for a minute.

      • I think time passing until a buyout feels like a good deal to some team is the key to his trade value. If he plays well the Lakers should ride it out. If he doesn’t there will be team looking to clear cap space in Feb. I don’t see anything else making much sense to other teams.

      • I did wonder if he would try to work a S&T to Cleveland for Sexton and that would not have been the worst outcome of the summer. In the end I’m sure he found the Lakers willingness to cater to him to good to walk away from.

    • Excellent fiver, Jamie.

      1. LeBron and the Lakers partnership. I think you hit the nail on the head. Personally, I applaud LeBron for tempering his desire to win and become the GOAT, he’s always shown a respect for life-work balance. I respect and appreciate that about him. He’s as good a man as basketball player.

      2. What does the extension mean for Lakers? I’m more sanguine about the Lakers extending LeBron. What it means to me is LeBron is buying exactly what the Lakers are selling, that they are the destination for the league’s legends. Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Logo, Baylor, Big James, Wilkes. Lakers making an investment in their brand as home of the greats.

      3. LeBron’s expectations. If we’re to believe the scuttlebutt, the Nets now want a win-now player along with draft capital and the Pacers have a minimum price of two first round picks for Turner and Hield. No way in my mind that the Lakers do not trade Russ before camp. Deals will be there. Goal should be Kyrie and Myles. That’s what the Lakers need to get for Russ, Nunn, and 2 unprotected picks.

      4. I sure hope you’re wrong about the Lakers keeping Russ. Frankly, if they do keep him, that should be the final straw in firing Rob Pelinka. Turning down a chance to move Russ or get Kyrie or get Turner and Hield to save a pick 7 years from now would be criminally negligent behavior by Rob Pelinka.

      5. The first big move was hiring Darvin Ham. The second big move was extending LeBron James. The third big move will be trading Russell Westbrook.

      • Nets can’t trade Kyrie until they resolve Durant. It’s not the Lakers timeline. They’re going to be the kid waiting to get picked last. Hence it will be in-season. Maybe not February although that feels the most likely. Also don’t think they’ll cough up 2 picks for Turner and Buddy. Seems like if they were they would have.

        • That’s just BS. Nothing the Nets do with KD affects what they should do with Kyrie. They only have one option to move Kyrie, which is the Lakers, who know the Nets are not going to bring Kyrie back.

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    5 Things: AD as the Crux

    So coach Darvin Ham wants to run through Anthony Davis, eh? That’s a nice thought and it sounds fun but what does it really mean and what would it possibly need to max out it’s effectiveness. The Lakers won a championship with LeBron dominating the ball as our defacto PG. Since moving away from that formula we’ve seen the Laker offense take several steps back and several good players shipped out in the name of the “less handling of the ball” for LeBron crusade. So what, if anything, has really changed to make this possible now?

    1. Anthony Davis PG? Let’s squish this notion quickly: AD is unlikely to be bringing the ball up the court and initiating the offense. More likely he’ll be one of the first players down the court trying to get his positioning settled against potentially smaller players before the defense has a chance to get set. That makes the most sense from both a basketball 101 standpoint and how Davis deploys his vast array of hooping skills. So, no I do not expect to see a lot more of AD bringing the ball up. He has a handle but it’s not elite and he’s not very fleet of foot, he has a quickness to him but I don’t consider him to be fast or speedy. We’ll want LeBron, Russ or Nunn bringing the ball up and starting possessions off.
    2. Anthony Davis three point marksman? This is likely going to be a point of contention. Is Anthony Davis good at shooting threes? Is that what you really want to see him doing a lot of in-game? His high point in three point field goal attempts was the banner-winning 2019-2020 season…the one with a three month break due to the COVID shut down. So, in some ways, it’s hard to take both that season and his follow up season as gospel. Look at his career numbers and it’s not all that encouraging: 10 seasons, .5 makes on 1.6 attempts for 30.% for his career. Career high in attempts (3.5) and makes (1.2) is the never-to-be-replicated 2019-2020 season. The season ended in March, there was a three month lag between that and some games ramping up to the playoffs and there wasn’t much travel in the playoffs where Davis shot 23 for 71, 32% which is a slight bump when pitted against his career numbers. His most efficient season shooting the three was his next to last in NOLA (and one of 2 seasons he played in 75 games where he made an even 34% of his treys. So, while I expect that the three pointer will always be a key aspect of Anthony’s game, I don’t expect to see him launching threes off the bounce or things like that. If he shoots threes at a clip of 5/game that’s likely too high as it drags him out of the paint, the area in which he is far more effective and efficient.
    3. Looking at AD’s shot chart and you’ll see three things: he shoots more accurately from the right side of the floor (makes sense as he organically squares up better from that side) in general, other than the corner three from the right side he’s fairly inaccurate from distance (especially from the left baseline to corner before the top of the key) and he is a beast in the paint. Does this mean a return to back-to-the-basket, bruising post play? Probably not as coach Ham has intimated that we’ll see something akin to Milwaukee’s 4 out set with someone in the dunker spot
    NBA 5-Out Offense: Wide Specials Part 1 – The Basketball Playbook

    Above are some fairly basic sets we can expect to see. Assuming that Davis slots in at the 4 that would have him starting half court possessions in his strongest three point shooting position, right-side corner three. From there he could float in for a lob or back door cuts, the ball could work itself to him where he needs to make better choices in terms of shot selection than the last 2 seasons (too many fadeaway mid range jumpers early in the shot clock and not smart shots, generally speaking). This spot puts him in his most accurate three point shooting area and helps keep him out of the paint where he tends to get injured on contact plays.

    5 Out Basketball Offense - Step by Step Guide for Coaches

    Here we see a few other ways coach Ham could use Davis, many of these start with AD in the baseline corner. Ad could also be used as a small ball five with James sliding over to the four. LeBron is also great at shooting from the right side (again, makes sense given his dominant hand) but he’s better from corner arc then AD is. Both are elite at scoring in the paint and at the rim.

    4. Interior scoring focus. When I hear “we want to run the offense through AD” I don’t think clear out and let him go to work. I see plays that result in AD taking (and hopefully making) jumpers and scoring in the paint. It is by far his best ability and there are few that can guard him down low. He has size, enough strength and speed and a vast array of moves. I think we’ll see the Lakers look to regain a dominating trait of their banner winning season which was dominating the points in the paint stat on a nightly basis. Paint scoring creates more fouls than perimeter scoring, can help take an elite defender off the court through said fouls, and is the most effective shot in the game. Again, I’m not expecting back-down, drop-step, sweeping hooks to become the norm but I do expect to see us work the ball down low and give AD license to abuse his defender.

    5. Anthony Davis point center? AD has never really established himself as a passing big man like The Big Spaniard did, he’s an elite defender, solid rebounder and great scorer but has never really earned the rep as a passing kind of player. He’s never averaged more than 3.9 dimes per game. To be fair, assists require someone else making a shot and Davis is generally one of the better options to take that shot especially when he’s playing with a passer like LeBron. But he needs to be better at making reads. His assist to turnover ratio is poor for a superstar player. Last season he averaged 3.1 assists but coughed it up 2.1 times. That needs to get better. Davis either needs to work on his passing accuracy and read/react skills or be more determined to score. So, while I don’t see AD becoming the lead distributor I do see him becoming our best finisher. After all, not everyone can be this guy:


    Basically, I’m rather bored of this Laker off season. So all of this assumes Westbrook is on the roster. Because he still is. So, until that is not the case, I’m not assuming otherwise. With LeBron and Russ you have two elite assist men who can deliver the ball to Davis in his best spots. Coach Ham needs to maximize this aspect of the Lakers in the half court and figure out how to unleash our fast break, again. Davis can be the elite release valve we need in the half court. LeBron is an elite player on the break and Russ needs to figure out how to recapture some of that. If those things happen I think the Lakers will surprise a lot of people next season as currently constructed.

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    • Great fiver, Jamie. We’ve heard this same story before every season since AD arrived. He’s looking great physically and seems primed to have a great season. The Lakers offense should run through him. But what does that really mean.

      Ironically, I’m in the middle of writing my version of that same article so great minds think alike. Main difference is I’m assuming Russ is traded. Bottom line, I agree. AD is the Crux. We’re a long shot to win a championship this season but our only realistic shot is if Anthony Davis shows that he can play the entire season like he played in the bubble to win the championship. AD must show he is top-5 player.

      The Lakers seem to have adopted the approach of revamping the entire roster every season. The result has been a dreadful lack of continuity and growth. And yes, we’ve also made moves each season to try and reduce LeBron’s workload by bringing in point guards, a move we’re looking to do again this summer. Schroeder didn’t work. Westbrook didn’t work. Who’s got next? Kyrie? Your question is spot on. What’s changed now to make AD work.

      1. I agree we will see AD sprinting down the court, especially if he plays the three on defense, where he will be guarding players out to the 3-point line. In Ham’s offense, first player down the court takes the dunker spot. That’s going to be AD. Look for a lot of early long passes to AD, which is a Lakers staple that will work perfectly in Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense.

      2. Anthony Davis, 3-point marksman. You’re right, the stats aren’t promising that AD can be a plus 3-point shooter. In fact, the bubble playoffs were the outlier to the rest of his career. As a Laker, AD has shot 33%, 26%, and 19% from three. And the best he’s ever shot is 34%. On the flip side, he did shoot 38.3% in the bubble while also shooting 60% on 2-point shots. He also is an 83% free throw shooter in the playoffs. So bottom line, the potential is there but AD is going to have to prove he can shoot a good percentage from deep. It will be key to his success. It was his outside shooting that was the difference maker in his game in the bubble.

      3. AD’s shot chart. One of the things you must consider is how Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense works. First guy down the court takes the dunker spot. Next two take the corners, putting first three players down the court all on the baseline. The key players in this offense are the two players on the left and right wing. The Bucks switched from 5-out to 4-out to create more space for the two players at the top of the key, who were usually Giannis and Khris. For the Lakers, I expect most of the time that those two players will be LeBron and AD. While there will be matchups where the Lakers will work the ball into the post for AD, most of the time he will have the ball behind the arc on the wing with loads of space to face up his defender and beat him off the dribble to get into the paint for an easy shot or assist.

      4. Interior scoring focus. Assuming we get the shooters we need by trading Russ and THT, we’ll see the Lakers take a lot more threes because that’s how Ham wants to play. We’ll also see lot of midrange jumpers by LeBron and AD and lots of dunks from having a big in the dunker spot. We need shooters to make this work so that Russ and THT trades are critical but I think we will see an offense much more like the Bucks than the last three years of Lakers. Depending on whom we trade for, we could be a big bully team or an undersized team. One way or another, AD is going to put up a lot more shots and score more points than any of his first three seasons with the Lakers.

      5. AD as point center. I agree not his strength but something he is going to have to do better if he’s going to get the ball so much because teams will try to force him to pass unless they have a defender who can handle him on-no-one. Here is where the spacing of Ham’s 4-out offense is going to be critical. The space between defenders in the 4-out is greater than the 5-out because there are only two players not on the baseline compared to three not on the baseline with 5-out sets. That means it’s hard for defenders to help and further to go to double.

      • Thanks Tom, it’ll be interesting to see if/what moves Rob makes. I know you think a lot of this is all posturing and that both draft picks are all but ear-marked for trades but I’m not really so sure. At any rate, there hasn’t been any trade to date so since Russ and Kendrick are still on the team I’m not doing any kind of imagineering or stuff like that. Ham needs to work with what he’s got and so to do we. If that changes, so be it.

        At any rate, as always, AD needs to play first and foremost. Any scheme involving him probably imagines that he’s not in street clothes. So his health and availability (as are all of our players) is a major key. His free throw shooting seems to come and go, which makes me think that’s as much an issue of focus and mental strength as his form and skill. I would say that 5 three point FGA/game would be the absolute ceiling. More of those just means we need elite rebounders to stop other teams from getting out on the break from us. I like him in the 3-4 range, which is his career average, and you see as well as I, he’s not an elite marksman from distance but he does do enough to keep his defender honest.

        Since I don’t think Davis will be playing the three, especially since it pulls our best rebounder out of the rebounding area, I disagree with your notion of him being first out on the break. that’ll be James, Russ, Nunn, …THT…, and LW4. Guys who are truly fast or can get to spots at will through speed, strength and/or skill. I honestly don’t want AD playing defense on the perimeter, it takes away all of his strengths. Can he guard a smaller player on the perimeter? Sure, and we’ve seen Derek Fisher guard centers. Doesn’t make it a smart or good choice. Can and should are worlds apart. You want AD in or near the paint challenging shots at the rim, especially when you consider how much better at defense AD is than either Jones or Bryant. Even better when he’s at the as he is an elite help defender more than body up defender.

        Since you keep bringing up trades that haven’t happened, I’ll bite. Don’t really see how we can trade THT and Russ, you’ll have to pick one. You could maybe get away with one draft pick in a trade for Talen but Russ, this summer, is going to take two to tango and once you do that you’re done. Pick swaps are cute but they are not driving forces in a trade, they can be the one thing that makes it feel like a “win” for one side or another when it’s really a lateral victory. “Oh, but we got a pick swap, OUR TEAM WON THE TRAD!!!!”. Russ at the deadline after the Lakers are on the book for the majority of his salary…different discussion. One gets it done mid-season, maybe even none for a team desperate enough at that time to unload salary (like Brooklyn could be if they try and shoehorn Durant into the season and it utterly blows up in their faces). Including THT with Russ just means more money for some team to pay taxes on. Not happening.

        At any rate, I think the main thing about running the offense through Davis is him actually being on the court to do that. So here’s hopinh he plays in close to 82 games.

        • Nice Jamie, it is refreshing to have something other then rehashing the same trade proposals over and over. As for AD, I want to see him scoring inside as much as possible. With his skill set, that’s were he thrives. At times he is unstoppable. One just has to look at the 76er game last year, where he destroyed Embid a 3 time all nba defender, with points around the rim and short jumpers. If he proves he can become a plus 3 point shooter, great, you can adjust but the plan going into the season, trade or no trade has to feature AD inside, or you are totally wasting one of the very best interior scorers in the game today. I’m

        • Thanks, Jamie. I think we both agree that AD is the key. He has to be healthy and the player we had in the bubble or we can’t win. And LeBron has to stay healthy and play great too. Oh, and we have to move Russ or we will be a play-in team.

          I think the Lakers have multiple options to trade Russ and THT. If we trade with the Nets, I think it will be those two plus two picks for Kyrie and Joe. I think we can get Turner and Hield with one pick and one swap, leaving a pick to juice THT. Truth is both Russ and Talen need sweeteners.

          We may have another month to wait. Hope we’ll all be pleased rather than disappointed when this is all over. I feel 40% Kyrie/40% Myles and Buddy/10% another Russ trade/10% we keep him but bench him.

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    5 Things: Who Blinks First

    Like an old timey spaghetti western complete with reverb boot steps we’re all stuck in the middle of a gunslinger draw with no end in sight. We got ourselves a whole slew of gunslingers, hand on the pistol, nobody blinking. Soon as they do, guns will come loose and the iron will fly. But for now…dead-eyed stares, eye’s watering from the holding them open. Who is going to blink first?

    1. Gunslinger #1 (aka the Brooklyn Nets): Much has been said, written, and opinionated about what the Nets will do. With the first real clarity on the situation since the Durant trade request put the entire summer into topsy-turvyville, that being that Durant no longer has faith in either coach Steve Nash (a departure from his comments as early as last April) or GM Sean Marks. Frankly that’s astounding to hear. He has no issues with fair-weather teammate Kyrie Irving who misses games no whims and in the name of a personal crusade he doesn’t have much vested in? Nope, but the coach he voted in confidence for in his exit interview and the GM who bent over backwards to accommodate him gotta go. When the news that a weekend get together with Durant and Nets owner Joe Tsai came out I was thinking it would be either to expand the teams he’d be willing to be traded for or to recant his demand altogether. So when the news came out was something that probably ought to have been included in his first “trade me” meeting…well, to put it mildly, I was amused. Durant ain’t blinking: Nash and Marks need to go or…what? Will he sit out a season, not collect a paycheck and fume for the next four years? I don’t think so, I think he fumes and plays. Honestly, who knows and, really, who cares except that it affects gunslinger #2. My working theory is the Nets fire Nash and Marks
    2. Gunslinger #2 (aka The Los Angeles Lakers): The Lakers need to improve the roster this summer. The moves they have made to date fall well short of that. We drafted a guy who can’t shoot, signed a young guy with our MLE that can’t shoot and brought in some centers one of whom used to be able to shoot but we’ll see. Not surprisingly, when the date finally arrived that LeBron James could sign or at least speak openly about an extension, that date came and went. Followed somewhat quickly by a “productive” meeting that resulted in no public information or contract extension news of any kind. Suffice to say that without any actual information to go on, LeBron isn’t happy with a roster he has in some way signed off on up until the end of last season. Now he wants changes, changes that will make future moves by the Lakers nigh impossible. While I can appreciate his personal position on the Lakers 2027 and 2029 draft picks (which if traded this season means we won’t have another 1st round draft pick to trade until the summer of 2024 unless it’s a draft day deal) we need at least one of them moving forward. 1st round draft picks are the grease that makes trades for below-market players possible. It’s what makes trading an expensive player into another team’s cap space possible. We have very little grease left and pick swaps don’t do it. Those are the sweetener that goes along with the actual pick. Second round draft picks definitely don’t get it done, doesn’t matter how many you trade. To my knowledge there are no rules governing how many 2nd rounders can be shipped out which should give you an idea of what their NBA market value is. There are likely three deals sitting in front of The King from here on out: a 1 year extension for the max, a 1+1 (PO on year 2) for the max, and a 2 year extension for the max. Those will be on the table until one is signed or LeBron’s current deal expires and he is an unrestricted free agent. My guess is LeBron has Rob’s word these deals will be available barring catastrophic injury…maybe even in that event, as well. That they have assured LeBron they will do any reasonable deal that comes their way. LeBron ain’t blinking, barring his concerns about suffering a major injury this season he has a deal until next summer and likely prioritizes freedom over anything else if this season goes sideways.
    3. Gunslinger #3 (aka Jeannie Buss): You might have thought this would go under the Lakers. I see it a bit differently as I am of the opinion that Jeannie has clipped Rob’s wings a bit this summer. I have no doubt that Rob would have sent out any and all draft picks to make a deal happen because, well, that’s about all Rob does. He is amazing at wasting draft assets on players whose services we do not retain. I would imagine Jeannie has had enough of that if I have. It’s her money, after all. There are two things Jeannie has the option of blinking on. First is the overall future of the Lakers and she has made it clear that this is a major priority for her. I’m sure that she, like the rest of us, is aware that we have draft picks we can use in either 2024 or 2025 (NOLA’s choice) and again in 2026 (currently kind of held hostage by said NOLA) and 2028 (not able to be traded along with either 2027 or 2029 because of the Stepien rule). that’s not the point, though. The point is holding onto those picks gives you a better chance of making a deal any time between now and the summer of either 2024 (when we can trade the 2031 draft pick, 2030 would be out unless we still have 2029 in our pocket, again Stepien rule). I’m also sure she knows that any pick we have can be used on a draft day deal because, technically, that’s the day it’s being used. Just can’t be used after draft day or during the regular season. The second thing Jeannie will eventually have to decide if she’ll blink on is a more expensive prospect: paying Russ not to play. In theory the Lakers could tell Russ he’s not going to play…but we’ll still pay you! If you ask me there is no way in Hell the same owner who balked at paying Jared Dudley to basically be a coach in a players uniform will pay Russell Westbrook $47 million dollars to stay home to Netflix and chill. She will never, ever, ever, never, never, ever gonna blink on that. If a dude making the veteran minimum, whose contributions were valued by both coaches and players, irked her than this beyond reality. It will not happen. She’ll blink on the draft picks before she blinks on that and I don’t think she blinks on those, either. The future of the franchise is as important to her as the present. She knows the Lakers will endure far beyond LeBron James.
    4. Gunslinger #4 (aka Russell Westbrook): You might think “Jamie, Russ opted in…what else can he do?” The answer my friend is something that has about the same chance as Jeannie blinking on telling him to stay home and that’s change his approach. To his credit, and it could all just be PR fluff mind you, Russ has been present this summer. He was present at coach Ham’s into presser. He was present at summer league. He’s been working out at the team facility. He seems to be as all in as Russ can be on next season. Does that portend a different ;looking Russell Westbrook? That’s a hard thing to say. He’s an established vet who has made a amrk playing and acting a certain way, to think that will all change just because coach ham said it should is hard to imagine. Still, in my opinion, this is the thing the most likely to change…kinda sort of. If Russ can do one thing better next season that could improve our fortunes it would be his finishing around the rim. I don’t need him to transform into Steph, I don’t need him to become Michael Cooper 2.0. I just want to see him make more layups and dunks. That’s it. I expect turnovers from high usage players, I would like to see fewer from many players including LeBron and AD. The not finishing at the rim is death, though. It kills fast breaks. It kills rallies. It kills joy. It needs to stop. Russ needs to make layups and I think he’ll be better next season. I think he blinks on that one.
    5. Gunslinger #5 (aka the Indiana Pacers): Bear with me here. They’re on this list not because they’re under the gun in any meaningful way, they have a set roster, cap space to spare, and all of their and other teams draft picks. I have them here because they have the 2 players I think the Lakers need to move on more aggressively than they seem to have shown an inclination to. Myles Turner and Buddy Heild represent fixes to 2 major areas of weakness: defense and shooting. The Lakers really need to figure out how to get Indy to blink on a deal for those 2 players. Brooklyn isn’t going to come to terms with anything quickly. The Lakers need to do a couple of things to make that more likely. First publicly end any and all pursuit of Kyrie Irving. Walk away from that dumpster fire and focus in on Indy. Second make an offer for Turner, Buddy, 2027 1st rounder, 2028 & 2029 pick swap and however many 2nd rounders it takes to get a deal done. Do whatever it takes to save face on that second first rounder which they have sworn is off the table all spring and summer long. Add whatever sweeteners are needed and also say that this deal has an expiration of one week prior to training camp opening and we won’t be trading Russ until February. There will be better deals for Russ at that time, the best deals possible, really. However, it makes more sense for the Lakers to do the best they can to go into the season with the roster they like more. I’m not sure Indy blinks on that deal but I sure hope Rob tries.

    All in all I still think the following most likely to be: Russ is on the team until around the trading deadline, Rob will then make LakerTom’s dreams come true and finally execute an in-season trade, and that the Lakers hold onto both 1st rounders…for now. We’ll see, as the KD news shows us there is no sport wackier than the NBA where literally anything can happen.

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    • Great fiver, Jamie. How funny that the two of us end the offseason hoping for the same trade. Only need to give them one pick swap. Pick swaps are almost as good as picks as they guarantee that you will get a chance to swap and the date far enough away that the pick becomes another commodity to be traded several times before being used.

      I have probably written over a dozen long articles trying to get Myles Turner on the Lakers over the past 5 years. The thought that it might actually happen scares me it’s taking so long I might not still be around when they finally announce it. A Turner, Davis, James front court will dominate. I love Kyrie but Turner and Hield are the right ticket this time around. Just don’t let pipe dreams of Kyrie screw this up.

      • While funny I think the one thing we probably still differ on is the timing of this happening. I think the Pacers hold the line on their “two 1st rounders” demand until after the season starts. The reason being is that they aren’t really in a rush to get a deal for Russ done, especially if the plan is to turn around and buy him out. The Russ deal has been on and will be on the table for awhile now and continue to be for as long as it takes to actually get done.

        That’s why I predict in the article that your dream of an in-season trade will at long last come to fruition as I think the Pacers will go f or just the one draft pick when the buyout cost drops as the season rolls along. They don’t need to trade either player as they have the luxury of time. Russ will be the most valuable he can possibly be the last day of trading, the Lakers will have footed the bill for his salary up until that point and a buy out will be reduced significantly for the team bringing him in while still getting all the benefits of his expiring salary.

        Lakers are the ones in a rush. Nobody else is. It’s why the Nets trade will continue to get floated simply because it has more of a deadline than any other deal the Lakers might want to swing. Nets are probably in a little less of a rush than the Lakers but it’s minute.

        • I think training camp will be the deadline for the Lakers making moves. I would not be surprised to see the Lakers re-engage the Pacers. Russ plus 2027 pick and 2026 pick swap for Turner and Hield. That would allow us to then trade THT and the 2029 pick for a Beverley or Washington.

          PG: NUNN, Reaves, Christie
          SG: HIELD, Walker,
          SF: DAVIS, Brown, Toscano-Anderson
          PF: JAMES, Washington, Johnson, Gabriel
          CE: TURNER, Bryant, Jones

          TW: Swider, Pippin

          • Ever the optimist. Hope you’re right.

            • There was never going to be a Pacers trade as long as Kyrie was still a possibility. Right now, KD and Kyrie seem to have no problem playing together and Kyrie has no problem playing in Brooklyn.

              That means Kyrie is staying in Brooklyn no matter whether KD is traded or stays. That ends the Lakers desire or need to trade with the Nets. I would also say it dims the chance of signing Kyrie next summer too.

              With no Kyrie, the Pacers are next. We both think a pick swap will work as it’s as good as having the Lakers pick for that year. Yet, LAL keep one pick to use to sweeten THT trade for an important player, maybe Beverley or Washington.

              With no shot a Kyrie, Lakers will be ready to move quickly as will the Pacers. I expect Tsai to say the Nets will double their efforts to trade KD and that could happen in a week. Once that chip falls, Lakers will move to close deal for Turner and Hield and maybe Beverley to give Ham the attack dog point guard he wants on defense. Beverley, Hield, Davis, James, and Turner would be one hell of a defensive team.

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