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KD demanding the Nets get rid of Nash and Marks! Oh man…you can’t make this crap up. Kyrie not playing? No problem, but THESE TWO GUYS GOTTA GO!!!
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Dude is auctioning off his championship rings to help Ukraine (his home country). All the BS flying around these days, figured it’d be nice to hear something:
A) Real.
B) Interesting.
C) Uplifting. Nice to see an ex-Laker having an impact.FWIW he keeps in touch with Mad Dog Madson and Luke Walton. Good stuff. Also, the Lakers sent him sports equipment to help rebuild gyms and sport complexes destroyed in Russian air strikes. Good stuff.
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Fabulous Fiver, Jamie. One of the best imo. Props also to Mongo for the fishing theme. Waiting is certainly the Hardest Part.
1. Seismic shifts. I remember well your predicting that a possible seismic shift could shake up the Westbrook situation. You were certainly right so props. Good reminder that this is not our father’s NBA.
Player empowerment is getting even more aggressive and is unlikely to change. The small market owners will try to put a lid on player empowerment but the players and big market owners are fine with the constant player movement.
Truth is player empowerment is kind of like our climate crisis. Seismic shifts expected.
2. Baits in the Water. Love the progression of the fishing theme.
What’s added to the frustration is team’s not trusting giving up the barn for KD, thus he has become the road block for other moves. He could easily end up as a Net next season. My guess is Kyrie still gets traded to the Lakers as I don’t see Brooklyn or KD wanting to run it back with him.
3. Big Fish Still Out There. The tension mounts.
Could the Lakers end up catching nothing but a bottom feeding carp rather than the sleek starfish they’re seeking?
I agree August 4th is a day where we could see some clarity. Could LeBron sign an extension? Or will he leave the Lakers hanging and say he will wait and see. That could change everything. Better subtitle might have been Storm Brewing.
4. Cut Bait and Run. Good header but this is where you and I split.
First, the idea the Lakers are giving up their only draft picks is BS. They have guaranteed pick every other year and have two future picks tied up with swaps that will come free. They only owe 1 pick from the AD deal.
Second, the chances of LeBron and the Lakers separating at this point in miniscule. LeBron wants to be here. Who knows how many years he still has? He’s not at this age going to want to pick up stakes and move to another team.
Third, I think there’s a third possibility for Jeanie’s position on picks, which is it’s part of PR campaign to make Lakers appear less desperate.
5. The one that got away. Great ending subtitle. Pure genius.
Hopefully, this won’t be our ending. Thought the topic would lead to discussion of not offering the second pick when we might have closed the deal for Kyrie or for the Pacers. I do agree the deal is not dead until the assets involved have been dealt.
The picks are meaningless at this point. The Lakers or even the team you trade those picks to will never use them for players. Those picks will become a form of baseball’s own crypto currency as they’re traded numerous times.
Arguing that using them for Turner and Hield would be shortsighted is silly. Holding onto the picks is the only way the Lakers could convince LeBron James to leave.
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Great Post Jamie, you are spot on. There are a lot of dominos that have to fall before it’s the Lakers turn. I also like the Lakers approach. They haven’t caved in to Lebrons pressure and are trying to make the best possible deal. I’m with you on Turner and Buddy. I wouldn’t give up both firsts for them. Turner would be a marginal upgrade. Yes he is a good drop down defender and a great shot blocker, but he also is hunted on defense on the perimeter and while he can hit the 3 he is a below average 3 point shooter that I wouldn’t want taking a lot of them. And there is a reason Buddy was a bench player for a bad team. Shooting is the only thing he brings to the table.we could be a little better with them but not contender better. I think you only trade both firsts if it gives you a punchers chance at a title. A Kyrie trade may do that, especially if a healthy Harris were included but it still is risky if you don’t win it all. Kyrie has left a bad taste in every team he’s ever played for mouth. He could easily be a one and done player with the Lakers because nobody knows where his head will be next season, even Kyrie.
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I have to disagree with you on Myles Turner, Michael. I think the key to this season is reducing the workload on LeBron and AD and letting them play the 3 and 4 rather than going against bigger, tougher defenders by playing the 4 and 5.
I think Turner is criticial in that he gives us a young stretch five who is perfect to play alongside Anthony Davis, who is better facing the basket than posting up and better as a help shot blocker than primary low post defender.
I’m not a fan of having Kyrie be our point of attack defender or having unproven Jones or Bryant playing stretch five and rim protector. I would much prefer adding Turner and playing with a real two bigs.
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Unproven? Thomas was a rising star in the league before the injuries. If he didn’t have the set backs you may have been wanting to trade for him. If he’s healthy he is also perfect along side AD. And lest we forget Turner hasn’t actually been a picture of health either. So either way you are betting on a healthy season. I’ll roll with the guy that is not costing two draft picks. And Bryant is a couple of years younger with room to grow. He’s a hustle player and is one of the best in the league at running the floor. A slight upgrade at center and a bench scorer isn’t going to get us to a contender level. Plus next year you are not going to let Turner walk for nothing and Buddy has 20 mil left on his contract. So you will have 40+ mil to replace Westbrooks 47 mil so again not a lot of options to improve the team.
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My words from above: “Remember they’re not the only picks we have access to, the other ones just can’t be traded until draft night of their respective summers. ”. I’m well aware of our future draft asset stratus. They are the only assets we can trade now, later in the season if something goes wrong, next summer at any time and so on. The other picks, lovely as they are, can only be traded on draft day. We will not know if NOLA is swapping 2024 pick until they announce it, if we’re healthy it’s likely next summer. Hence my multiple declarations that NOLA is, in essence, also holding one of OUR draft picks hostage until they choose. That one being 2026. Can’t be traded if NOLA picks out 2025…until it’s relative draft day. This is all fairly plainly written up there. The 2027 and 2029 (are hell, let’s start including the next decade in the convo and add 2030!) are the only tools available for several years that can be used…in season…to improve the roster. Those are not tools to be wasted in a mid grade improvement. I’ve never bought the certainty of the “addition by subtraction” argument. First off it’s being made in a vacuum, but more importantly it’s an overpay to burn both picks on those two players. I don’t see how that’s not as plain as the nose on all of our faces. The Lakers have had a bad habit of burning good assets on bad players and, worse to my opinion, players we turn around and let walk for nothing. That’s not building. That’s not smart. That’s silly and wasteful, especially given the facts as to how Jeannie wants to keep costs down. Know how to do that? Draft players who are cost-controlled. Of course, then you get Rob selling short with Christie with just a 2 year deal so there’s little hope he has any clue he knows what he’s doing at this point. The man is inept.
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Dennis Schroder has indicated he’d be open to return to the purple and gold. Who would be in favor of a DS redux? Honestly…I can think of worse options.
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One problem with every Westbrook trade is getting back a point guard, or keeping Nunn for that position, or trading THT for Beverley, which makes sense from a 3&D and Darvin Ham point of view. Almost impossible to get enough good players without trading Russ as he is worth two or three rotation players in return. TPE is great for landing players like Hield or Gordon but need to be packaged with a pick. Lakers do have some good options but most of them will require unprotected picks. Are the Lakers ready to do that? That’s the question.
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Now “news” is coming out that LeBron, Russ and AD all committed to each other during summer league on a phone call. This would have been prior to the Phoenix game and the “awkwardness” between Russ and LeBron. I think we have reached max wackiness. All I know is I have no clue what’s next…
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Celtics have an $18.1mil that expires Monday. Playing with Monopoly money since they’re roster looks pretty stacked. Going to be interesting to see if they use it (possibly in a move for Clarkson?) or let it expire.
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Like last summer, when we low balled Caruso and lost him for nothing, we have entered the “Rob and Jeanie playing cutesy-wootsey with the season” territory. This has been the Laker MO since the banner year. We startled dismantling, player by player, a defensive focused team with dynamic size and scoring. Mainly because we thought Danny Green wouldn’t age well, that Caruso could be replaced by an aged and broken Trevor Ariza and that KCP and Kuzma’s impact could easily be replicated by Carmelo Anthony and any number of vet minimum players. To no surprise to this fan each of those has turned out to be the absolutely and unequivocally wrong move. Russell Westbrook is but the most expensive and public figure of that massive miscalculation. Now we have a disgruntled 47 million dollar player nobody wants. Nobody. Not for cap relief. Not for two middling 1st round draft picks two years out. Nobody. There is no shortage of theories and dreamy trade scenarios being bandied about. In fact that started back before the deadline when the same 4 assets the Lakers are peddling now were peddled with bo interest back at the trade deadline last season. The value of Nunn, THT, Russ and the 2 draft picks 5 and 7 years out respectively is unchanged. The value is low, really low. Like nobody is interested low. The thing about trades is both parties need to agree so I long ago tuned out every single one-sided mostly benefits the Lakers deal. Pie in the sky fantasy isn’t the pathway out of this. Rob and Co. need to embrace reality. Like yesterday. I think the Lakers have at least had conversations about including all of those assets in some potential trades. I think the return on that has not been palatable. Whether it be the size of Russ’s deal, the fact that Nunn was sidelined by a bone bruise for an entire season, the way THT’s deal is structured (and the low impact he has shown to possess) or the fact our offerable draft picks are quite a ways out there has been zero actual movement beyond the chatter generated by media outlets and blogs. As always I can kind of forgive fans for indulging in whimsy and wonder, they’re not paid to run the Lakers. But Rob had to have known at least a portion of what is now evident as far back as last March or he is inept. If I can see the writing on the wall a team worth billions should be able to, as well. The miscalculation isn’t really in the worth of our assets, though. Due diligence is one thing. But, unlike Tom’s post signaling success by a front office when they hadn’t done anything but sign low hanging free agent fruit, I think the Lakers gravely underestimated how their two-faced and double-handed approach would effect the fraying relationship with the player who is actually on the team right now: Russell Westbrook. Whether it’s LeBron’s passive aggressive approach to this situation on social media (he posts weekly “joke” posts on Instagram in which he puts a Russ for some other player and calls it “Would you like to see this happen? Your battery % is the chance it will) or the public nature in which the hunt for a Russ trade has played out it’s small wonder, to me anyhow, that Russ is seemingly pissed. Unlike the Lakers, at least up to this point, Russ himself has remained silent. Only his agent’s semi-classless take down job on his way out after a parting of ways provides any clues into how Westbrook feels. However, like Jeannie’s tweet which I felt (and she later confirmed) was taken wildly out of context, the same may be happening with Russ and his agent. We don’t have any real facts to go on but I do think the Lakers are treading on eggshells. The fact is that the market for Russell is and has always been very small, if it ever really existed. You can’t endlessly shoo him for every dude selling fruit from a cart at a park and expect him to show up chipper and ready to ball. There is some , or should be anyhow, level of respect for his game and his accomplishments. That doesn’t give him license to do whatever he wants but you will be absolutely wasting any chance ti. I’m Pete if there’s a $47 million dollar player who you don’t play. Jeannie will not abide that, Russ will not be sent home to pout, he’ll pout on the bench or in the court. He will be around the team, any suggestions contrary to that are, to put it politely, absurd. The fact that LeBron and AD aren’t pleased as punch should be a lesson for them to take home and marinate on. Let the GM do their job, don’t get involved unless you’re sure you want the responsibility. Can’t have it both ways. The bottom line is we’re a couple months away from everyone sucking it up and putting their pride to the side a little bit, something pro athletes are totally great at doing. Should be interesting. Coach Ham is going to have his work cut out for him.
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In case you can’t tell from the rant above I’m pissed. Not because I expected a trade to happen because I never really did. But that people paid to be better than me at this seem too obtuse to realize that there will be pretty much one shot for the Lakers to trade Russ and not pay for the doing. That shot is (was since it’s basically a blown chance now) was to bring Russ back with open arms (including James and Davis) and trying to rehab his value for the trade deadline. His deal will have the most value it can have on that day, if he plays well enough up to then a team can talk itself into living with him on the roster for a couple months. Rob has to go after this. He’s not running a master class in anything but cowing the a singular sports agency, is terrible at evaluating talent that you bring in via free agency and the only thing I give him any credit at all for at this point is not screwing up the draft by opposing what the scouts recommend we use our meager draft assets for. There has not been one single move that panned out after we’ve won. Not one. It’s almost as if we never win it at all. This is how bad jokes start. Someone needs to get in Rob’s face and tell him to stop fussing over his hair and get to &@$%ing work.
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Well put Jamie. I wonder if Robb would have a job now if he wasn’t Kobe’s BFF. The way the season is shaping up that won’t be enough to save him. Every thing has sprung from one fundamental mistake. Robb’s failure to understand that as long as LeBron plays he will have the ball in his hands. It’s a nice thought about saving him but it will never happen. Robb traded a first rounder and Danny for Dennis, a ball dominate guard. Didn’t work. Then he traded 2 more players from the NBA’s best defense for Russ and that didn’t work. LeBron needs a guard that can shoot and play off the ball. He finally got it right with Nunn but unfortunately he was hurt. You can make a lot of mistakes as a GM but not understanding your players and what fits and doesn’t fit is unforgivable.
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Russ and his agent have parted ways due to “irreconcilable differences”…WTF?! Not that it effects anything at all but feels weird.
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From his agent: In a statement, Foucher said: “I represented Russell Westbrook for 14 years and am proud of our partnership which included a highly successful 2008 draft, a super-max contract and the only renegotiation-and-extend max contract in history. I also supported Russell throughout his rise into a prominent fashion industry figure and recently orchestrated three successive trades on Russell’s behalf — culminating with the trade to his hometown Los Angeles Lakers.
“Each time, teams gave up valuable players and assets to acquire Russell – and each time, a new organization embraced his arrival. We did it together with grace and class.
“Now, with a possibility of a fourth trade in four years, the marketplace is telling the Lakers they must add additional value with Russell in any trade scenario. And even then, such a trade may require Russell to immediately move on from the new team via buyout.
“My belief is that this type of transaction only serves to diminish Russell’s value and his best option is to stay with the Lakers, embrace the starting role and support that Darvin Ham publicly offered. Russell is a first-ballot Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame player and will prove that again before he is retired.
“Unfortunately, irreconcilable differences exist as to his best pathway forward and we are no longer working together. I wish Russell and his family the very best.
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Sometimes these agents seem to forget who works for who in that relationship. And Russ doesn’t seem like the guy who’s taking a whole lotta lip from an employee.
But for real, if this dude was my agent then he would be losing another client today. You’ve got no reason to be putting your man’s business out on the street even after you’ve split. Keep my name outta your mouth and move on.
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I give the agent credit for giving Russ the advice he needed to hear: take Darvin Ham’s offer to start and change the direction of your career back to positive and winning. Russ was a fool not to listen to the guy who’s had his back all of these years. That was the best advice Russ has received and should have been heeded. Reminds me of the struggles Tom Cruise had in Jerry Maguire. Sometimes, it’s the player who errors in not listening to his agent.
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Yeah but it ain’t his agent trying to trade Russ and Jerry McGuire was about getting that 1st big pay day. Russ has gotten paid. Maybe I’m missing something but his agent literally has zero to do with what’s going on right now until such time as Russ is on another team. Maybe Russ is more willing than his agent to accept a buyout? I dunno…odd month so far.
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Reading some articles and watching some hoops news on my lunch and, I must admit, it is fun to watch as the world slowly starts to come around to an opinion you put out there months ago. The Nets openly indicating that they won’t trade Durant because they are unimpressed by offers for him thus far. That makes sense in a bunch of ways. First, Durant had two whopping teams he was willing to be traded to: Miami and Phoenix. Both of those teams were in the mix for a ring last season but came up short. Is the missing piece Durant, especially if the cost is a grip ton of draft capital and some of your best players? Does Durant gloss over the loss of Bridges ever-improving game or Crowder’s elite three and D skill set? Is he worth the potential that is Scottie Barnes? Of all the teams I still see Miami as the most equipped and (big and there) willing to pull the trigger on a move. Lowry has to be in the mix otherwise this doesn’t work. Lowry, Herro, Robinson and every draft pick until 2030 (with some work with OKC to remove protections on 2025 for a slight cost) is a pretty decent deal. Does it make the Nets contenders? Nope.
This is where the Kobe comparison comes back into play. Kobe had the ludicrous notion that the Lakers would trade him for just picks and expiring money. That is fire-able offense by any and every GM. Their job is to build a team, not make life easier for the players. A role that is far too often confused. The Nets looking at Miami’s “best” (which can’t include Bam unless the Nets move Ben which also won’t happen) have to think that rolling the dice with Durant, no matter how grumpy he might be, is worth it. Herro is good, maybe even super star good but he’s not there, yet and he’s not close to a decent two-way player. Robinson hit his ceiling two seasons ago and may not hit it again. Lowry is old and starting to break down. Keeping KD is a better option.
Brooklyn looking at what would/could now be Phoenix’s best offer (which can’t include Ayton as S&T or filler this summer) should also give pause. Does Bridges, Crowder and Johnson elevate you to contender status? No, but Phoenix has the most draft capital to spend which could be enticing if Brooklyn wants to go full rebuild. The thing is, Brooklyn has maintained all along that they want to trade Durant, replenish the draft pick farm and contend. Frankly, given Durant’s status as a current top ten player in the NBA and maybe top 15-20 All Time, why shouldn’t they? Why should they settle on spare parts and chump picks for one of the best to ever lace them up? The reasons aren’t plentiful, pretty much from what I’ve heard and read the answer back is “he’ll be grumpy”. That ain’t a reason, that’s an excuse.
So, if the Nets want to keep Durant and try to decrease his grump amplitude there really is only one thing they can do: keep Kyrie Irving. For whatever wacktastic reason Kevin Durant likes to be on the same team as Kyrie Irving to the point he indicated he would be less grumpy if he and Irving were traded to the same team. As if any GM in any sport on planet Earth would want to recreate Frankenstein’s monster for themselves just to watch it trash their team. I would imagine that, on an emotional level the Nets are 100% done with Kyrie Irving and his baggage. However, there are compelling financial reasons that are worth bringing up.
The market for Kyrie is even smaller than Durant’s wish list. It’s 1: the Los Angeles Lakers. The problem with a Laker trade is that it will have to be for Russell Westbrook. This will undoubtedly affect Durant’s grump factor and cause his Grump-O-Meter to dip wildly into the negative. There’s a reason why Brooklyn wants to get a Durant deal done first. It’s because if they choose to keep him they want Kyrie on the team to both stay competitive and throw Durant an emotional bone. “Hey guy, we didn’t trade you but we got your crazy friend still on the roster so we’re good, right?” is how one imagines the conversation could go.
The Nets might blink. Maybe they take above-average role-players and a lot of draft picks and call it even. I’m sure there are those within the organization calling for a total tear down and let’s just walk away from this ever growing dumpster fire. I’m sure there’s also a faction that demands getting worth back that feels equitable. That will be pretty hard to accomplish and that’s why, for awhile now, I’ve been saying the Nets are just as likely to keep both players as trade them.
If the Lakers want to move Russ, and I think they do and have been met with a lot of nothing, they need to see if Indy really is interested and get that deal done ASAP. Because as soon as Brooklyn announces they’re closing shop and rolling as-is that will about end the idea of a major trade happening prior to the start of the season. Summer League is over, people are going on vacation and turning their attention to things that need to be done post free agency. There will still be some trades but the chance that a big one happens decreases with every passing day.
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Great post Jamie. The only reason KD wanted to leave was because he felt Kyrie wasn’t treated fairly in his extension negotiations. Now Kyrie says he wants to stay. Of course that could simply be a public relations move in case he isn’t traded. Who really knows what is being discussed behind closed doors. It’s fun to blame the Lakers, but the delay in the trade may not have anything to do with the Lakers. It could be the Nets who are not ready to pull the trigger.
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We’re in agreement that the Lakers need to move now. Completing the trade and getting rid of Russ and adding Kyrie is more important than any of our trading chips, including the two picks. Make them unprotected if you have to but get the deal done for Kyrie and two of Harris, Curry or Richardson.
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That’s the same one-sided argument I’ve seen here and everywhere else. It takes two to tango and from what it looks like to me the Nets are perfectly fine sitting this dance out. For now.
That’s the other calculus that is often glossed over or wholly ignored: The Russ deal will be on the table all day, every day from now until the trade deadline or he actually gets traded. There will never ever be a publicly declared “we’re keeping Russ no matter what” stance. The offer is there, every team knows it. I have to believe that Rob is good enough at his job as to not let two draft picks five years out stop him from making a sensible trade, even for a guy who probably won’t top 50 games total, including playoffs, this season. No team is in a hurry to acquire Russ, that phone line will be open 24-7-365. In fact, the opposite is true: the longer you wait to make the Russ deal the more the Lakers pay. Are you telling me that every other GM in the Association isn’t mildly smug about that fact?I think what everyone means to say is that the Lakers would very much, please-and-thank-you, LIKE to move fast. Brooklyn has Durant in the fold, they can trade him anytime over the course of the next 4 seasons. He’ll play, he has too much professional pride not to and he’s in the mix for some big records if he can average 60ish games a season for the next 4 seasons. He’s a legacy guy and he wants his to be one of the best.
If Durant is on Brooklyn Russell won’t be. They won’t do it for a buyout/cap relief, that’s coming when Kyrie’s deal is up next summer anyhow. It’s not a wild theory to suggest they simply bide their time, see what happens with Kyrie and COVID, maybe it doesn’t come to vaxx required for indoor events like it did last season, and they rocket out of the gate and look like barn burners.
It took a month or so into the season for Kobe to back down from his trade request and it was all because Bynum was playing well and the Lakers were winning. When he went down Kobe didn’t turn tail and say trade me he had conversations behind the scenes for them to do something an Pau Gasol rode into the picture. It’s not hard to see the Nets achieving something similar.
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Training camp starts in about 2 months…that’s the only date I’d like to see us shooting for to get a Westbrook/Kyrie trade done. Alot of our problems last season started with not taking camp & the pre-season seriously. Started slow out the gate and the sh!tshow was on. Wanna see D.Ham with the roster set and some actual momentum headed into October. Plus…mid season trades rarely work out. So we got 2 months….just my 2 cents.
As for KD, alot has changed both contractually & philosophically in the league since Kobe & Melo demanded trades. Kobe was Laker family and they were gonna do whatever they could to keep him here after wasting multiple years of his prime. That ain’t KD’s situation. The Melo thing showed what happens when you dismantle the entire team to get one superstar … a total of one playoff series win. KD set a very narrow set of parameters for him to be traded so if those aren’t met then he’ll most likely be back with the Nets with no harm done.
At any rate…there’s gonna be a whole lotta bullsh!t floating around in the next few weeks…lol
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I think the Nets are taking a page out of both the Kobe/Melo handbook. KD has no leverage, same as Kibe at the time, and they really didn’t even make a move to appease him other than I think that ended up being the year D-Fish came back after he begged/snuck out of his deal with the Warriors? Would have to go check that one… Two months is a long time, especially with all that BS in the tub 😆
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I think Kobe’s leverage was his history & relationship with the Buss family and the franchise & city in general. Lotta good-will built up there. They laid out a plan for him and Pau was there the following February.
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Sounds like a massive 4-team deal could be in the works, Utah, Indy, New York and Phoenix are rumored to be hashing out a deal that moves Simmons and Durant, Utah moves Mitchell, Indy moves Turner and Buddy and New York moves whomever they can and a boatload of draft picks.
If that is more than rumor (no guarantee and I think New York would maybe prefer to deal with Utah exclusively since it’s a lot fewer moving parts and why should they help Brooklyn anyhow?) than we could see Durant moved by the end of the weekend.
Or it’s just a rumor and a Durant deal stays on ice. Unlike the Lakers there aren’t a ton of leaks coming from any of these teams just that the Nets would like to get salary relief in any Durant/Irving deal, want good draft picks and good players. That’s a “no doy” kind of statement.
NBA going to make the MLB All Star game as irrelevant as it truly is!
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It truly is crazy season. I haven’t read that one yet. But many outlets are reporting that Kyrie said he never asked for a trade and that he intends to play for the Nets with or without KD. And Windhorst reported this morning that the vibe around the Nets front office is they are prepared to keep both KD and Kyrie. Perhaps that is what prompted Kyrie to say he intends to play with the Nets. It all could be posturing. Or it could be the truth. Who knows. But with all of these different possible narratives out there it does prove that there is no such thing as a sure thing.
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All of those Kyrie wanting to play for the Nets stories came from a NY Post story that reported someone who knows Kyrie says he has never asked to be traded and actually opted in to finish the year with the Nets. From there, the story was aggregated everywhere. There is no chance imo that Kyrie or Russ do not get traded but there is no doubt this is a crazy offseason.
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Here’s the original story:
When asked if Irving was also willing to play for the Nets despite the team having had multiple rounds of talks with the Lakers, the source said he was — and that includes even if Durant is traded away.
“Kyrie wants to play. … He wants to win a championship, and he wants to play,” the source told The Post, adding Irving and Durant are friends and supportive of each other although not necessarily tied at the hip. “I think when KD said he wanted a trade, he didn’t say I’m going to trade to where Kyrie goes.”
Kyrie Irving wants to be a Net — with or without Kevin Durant #Nets https://t.co/eCy49wyEr7 via @nypostsports
— Brian Lewis (@NYPost_Lewis) July 13, 2022
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I read the story. None of it is all that believable or, frankly matters. It’s what the Nets choose to do that will define what everyone else is allowed to try and do. All I’m trying to do here is balance the flood of “It’s 100% bonafide surefire guaranteed and I’ll bet my saddle it’ll happen 5 minutes ago” stuff with something a little different.
The truth is the Nets haven’t stated they want to trade Kyrie just as Kyrie hasn’t stated he wants a trade. At least publicly. All this hoopla, except for KD saying he wants to be traded, has been created by the various media personalities.
That is why I am not very convinced there will be a trade. I did some reading last night, I went back and looked at the stories that were out there when Kobe demanded a trade.
Kobe Bryant submitted a trade request from the Lakers on a radio show in 2007, but walked it back. Kobe Bryant went on an ESPN radio show during the offseason to push for a trade away from the Lakers. He laid it out as non-confrontationally as he could muster the composure to:
“I would like to be traded, yeah. Tough as it is to come to that conclusion there’s no other alternative, you know?”
“I just want them to do the right thing.”
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Here’s a sample story from the time regarding the demand:
https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded
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Kobe went further, a lot further, in terms of an all out media blitz to convince the Lakers and the world he wanted and was going to be traded. We all know that worked out.
So, based on all of the above, and the fact that of all the parties involved the only one who has made a concrete statement is Kevin Durant I can quite easily see all of this not working out the way folks are predicting. I won’t be surprised if both KD and KI are on the Nets to start the season.
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Aloha Jamie,
living in Hawaii, i enjoy the trade winds on a warm day. but im not enjoying the NBA trate winds much. at this point I wouldnt be surprised either way. i do know that if we do make the trade we will probably get screwed over. since the end of the season, negative leaks have flowed from the front office and Lebron, stripping away any leverage we may have had. you made an interesting point. The Nets traded a first round pick for Royce Oneil and gambled on TJ Warren. these are not moves that a tanking team makes. The Nets are looking for a haul for KD, especially after they saw what The Jazz got for Gobert. If they don’t trade KD and they look at their roster and say, you know with Kyrie we could compete for a ring, think they still trade him for a distant first or two? Championships are hard to come by, the Nets never have won one. i think they would pass on the picks for a ring. and whats Kyrie going to do? this is a contract year. If he wants to get paid he needs to step up. any further antics could cost him millions. It will be interesting to see what happens with KD because that will be the key to Kyrie.
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One of the first things sailors learn about Trade Winds is not to piss into the wind because you know what happens.
Kyrie for Russ trade will happen soon so enjoy every piece of disappointing Lakers news hoping you are right.
The good news is you will be wrong and the Lakers will trade Russ for Kyrie and be back in the hunt this season.
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Also seems like you didn’t bother to read as I say here (and multiple other mites) that I think trading Russ makes decent sense but that there ain’t a lotta movement. Enjoy watching Brian Windhorst’s Twitter feed until midnight lol
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We’re all just watching the most boring game of chicken ever. Who will blink? Rob and send out draft picks because he doesn’t have the stone to get a deal done without them? The Nets because they are o-v-e-r Irving.? Neither and they just keep staring until the season rolls around? All for a player who we’ll be lucky to squeeze 60 total (including playoffs) games out of? Awesome. I haven’t been this excited since we signed Matt Barnes!!!
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Jamie Sweet wrote a new post
I still don’t think it’s a fully directed message to The King but still
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Jamie Sweet wrote a new post
That should quell the Boogie rumor, Thomas Bryant is returning to the Lakers! Still could go after Cousins as Bryant could slot into the 4 spot. Cool stuff!
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Jamie Sweet wrote a new post
Spurs claimed him. Probably wouldn’t have had the roster spots anyhow.
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We are at 13 player and need to keep 2 open for a Kyrie trade. We have only 2 small forwards and Gabriel is a combo forward. Robey would have been a nice developmental piece at PF but with the Kyrie trade looming there wasn’t room for him right now.
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Pertinent info:
-Nash has 2 years remaining on his coaching deal. Earlier in the summer the Nets publicly backed him and said they had no interest in a coaching change.
-Evidently reports from back in April that signalled Marks had signed an extension aren’t really verififable… So not sure if he’s going to stick around.
-One has to wonder why KD didn’t make this plain months ago, you know, so the Nets could decide if they wanted to change 2 massive aspects of their business or not?
-remember when people feared the Nets? That was like fearing a balloon that’s already popped lol. Whatta joke…
My prediction: Nets keep Irving and KD together. Best way to keep Durant happy, they can address Irving next summer or, if it’s not working/he’s not playing, at the deadline. Marks may or may not have much time left on his deal and likely is over this debacle anyhow and they have time to replace Nash before the season. Tsai caves to KD’s whims and cans ’em both. They hire Stotts or D’Antoni. Ironic as all get out if it’s #2.
The Kyrie Irving trade that was never to be is dead, my friends.