JAMIE SWEET’S ‘5 THINGS
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Jamie Sweet wrote a new post
Read MoreWell that was anticlimactic. Days after he was eligible LeBron did the smart (if semi-boring for planet Earth) thing and signed his extension. The details aren’t surprising: 2 years, $97.1 million/season, 3rd year player option. So now James and Davis match up in a couple years to choose whether to stay Lakers, part ways, or try to join forces somewhere else. For LeBron and his legacy that pushes him past KD as the biggest NBA salary earner in the history of the game. For the Lakers and their path forward things have only become slightly more clear, however. Let’s dig in a little deeper.
- The partnership that made the most sense for both sides. LeBron, despite his seeming ability to defy age and time, is on the downside of his career. His priorities after basketball are being as close to his family in a place where they all want to be and that, for the time being, is Los Angeles California. This started when Magic showed up at LeBron’s door with his first contract offer to The King a few years ago. While the Lakers have changed around LeBron, very little about James himself has changed. He wants to win, he wants at least a shot at a title (he knows as well as anyone that there are no guarantees in sport), wants to be close to his family and in a year or so would like to play with Bronny James. That last one is not etched in stone as to when it could happen. LeBron has said he wants his final season to be with his son on the same team. Given LeBron’s longevity that isn’t necessarily next season. Bronny could choose a year (or more) of college which would make a lot of sense from a developmental standpoint as the son of LeBron isn’t appearing on many draft boards, yet. All in all, in terms of his lifestyle, business goals and being on a team with a complimentary superstar in Anthony Davis the Lakers made the most sense from the start.
- What does this mean for the Lakers, though? That’s a great question and it’s pretty easy to answer. The front office needs to get better, quickly, at evaluating talent and valuing assets. Whether that asset is a player, coach or a draft pick the Lakers have a small timeline with which to succeed with James and Davis. Once they go it’s basically a full scale rebuild. Since James and Davis powered a vet-heavy but augmented by stellar young role-players the Lakers have, for some reason, been back pedaling when it comes to the roster. Gone are all the key role-players, coach and draft assets we had left over from the AD trade save for 2 tradeable picks 5 and 7 years out, respectively. They have backed themselves into a top heavy, difficult to modulate roster that doesn’t play well in the modern NBA. While there is precedent for outside the box rosters doing well (hello Utah and Cleveland) the norm for the league has seemingly failed to be embraced by the Lakers.
- LeBron’s expectations. If you buy into scuttlebutt the Lakers have assured LeBron they’re not done improving this season’s roster. With very tools in the box to use it’s hard for me to see clear pathways to getting it done. With the news that the Nets have rejected a deal for Irving…with both picks included…one more door has closed. It also happened to be LeBron’s preferred door that be passed through, allegedly. The Nets seem to be happy to start the season with Kyrie in the fold. That’s bad news for those hoping to tweak the Big 3 philosophy by switching Kyrie for Russ. That door, for now, would appear closed. That leaves the Lakers with, in theory, only a few avenues left to pursue. Indiana vaults to the top of the hopes and dreams list followed by Charlotte and the one-legged Gordon Hayward and detritus. trading Russ into the Spurs cap space, and waaaaaay back in the distance are teams like Utah, New York, and…well, that may be it. New York has maintained for awhile now no interest in a trade for Russ. Not many doors left and Rob with little savvy and few assets to work with.
- What happens if the Lakers can’t make a move before camp? Like Kevin Durant, LeBron James may kick the 2022-23 off a little grumpy. It simply may not be possible to trade Russell Westbrook this summer due to several factors but mainly a lack of grease that makes those kind of deals possible. We have 2 draft picks 5 years out. A few second rounders and the ability to pull off some pick swaps. If the Lakers had tried to move quickly with Brooklyn, like before Kyrie had picked up his extension quickly, a deal may have been possible. The longer the Durant saga played out, and the more apparent it was that teams weren’t going to pile up trade proposals that glittered in the eyes of Sean Marks and Joe Tsai, the more likely it became that Brooklyn would roll the Kyrie Irving dice one more time. He who will be up for a contract after the season, a star player to keep the Nets competitive, and (most importantly of all) is cheaper than Russ. Keeping Kyrie means you get to keep one of Seth Curry or Joe Harris and pair them with an elite point guard. Even if Durant holds out Brooklyn should at least be in the mix for a playin spot next season with Kyrie.
- Grumpy LeBron? Sounds kind of like a bad idea to me. Honestly? I can think of worse things than LeBron coming in kind of pissed. Like trading for Gordon Hayward. The Lakers have managed to back themselves into a deep quagmire and to dig themselves out it’s going to take more than two draft picks half a decade out and THT or Nunn. It’s going to take smarts and solid negotiating to the degree Rob can manage. I’ve been shouting all of this into the wind for sometime, knowing that as doors closed and opportunities faded that the reality many in the media and the fan base have been unwilling to really even entertain wasn’t just possible but highly likely: Russell Westbrook will start the season as a Laker. Could Indy coax another draft pick out of Rob and get him to overpay for Buddy Heild and Myles Turner? Maybe, that could even switch to probably if LeBron starts steaming in public. By signing LeBron to an extension the Lakers have done a lot for themselves and their new head coach, though. They have taken a distraction off the table, one fewer question everyone has to answer ad nauseum. It’s down to Russ and his fit and if he and James are still friends?!?! O.M.G. the drama… At the end of the day I doubt LeBron needs much motivation to show up ready to go. However, he’s become a leader through his play and less of a team leader type guy. Maybe he never was that guy in the locker room or on the practice court, bringing guys in, getting them on the same page and kicking a butt or two when it needed kicking. This might be the motivation he needs to get in the lab with Russ and start to figure out what they need to do to make it work.
The Lakers are up against it. The west is utterly stacked since the Lakers won in the Bubble. Davis hasn’t come close to playing in a full season since his first one here three years ago. At some point time will catch up to LeBron. It’s unlikely that LeBron gets traded, his 15% trade kicker is akin to a “buyer beware” sticker. He’s never been traded in his entire career, hard for me to see it happen at the end. Since we won it all Rob has been like a dude selling tires out the back of van with draft picks. Or even more accurate, more like Oprah on her old TV show “YOU get a first rounder, YOU get a first rounder, EVERYONE gets a first rounder!!!!!” and the time has come for that to end. At some point the Lakers have to live in two places: now and the future. With LeBron signing his extension that time has come, whether the King or anyone else likes it or not. Ride Russ out until at least February and see what can be done. Who knows, Rob may get execute his first ever in-season trade. If not, let the money expire and build it up around James and Davis smarter than has been the case of late. Is it optimal? No, it’s not. Is it smart? If you ask me, yes it is. You have to prepare for a life after LeBron, have a draft pick or two for in-season trades, and get out from under the NOLA trade for AD. Burning every card you got on a bad hand at this point isn’t a gamble it’s a fool’s errand. Here’s hoping Rob sees that as plainly as do I.
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I agree 100% with Stan. If Russ is not gone, he should just be sent home. Don’t let him take away minutes from guys who deserve it and poison the team.
In the end, the Lakers need what they can get from Russ so badly that they can’t wait for the trade deadline. He will be moved before training camp. Count on it. Take it to the bank. Guaranteed.
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Tom you act as if they didn’t proposition each and every coaching candidate what they would do with Russ, that Jeannie didn’t gripe about paying Jared Dudley a vet minimum to barely play, and that Rob hasn’t raided the future to build mediocre teams for the last 2 seasons. LeBron has/had few options. Ride out his old deal, hope he doesn’t get hurt, and test the free agent market as 39 year old or take max money and preserve his option to bail the year his son could come into the league. That deal doesn’t exist anywhere else. Him coming back was etched in stone.
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If Russ is on the team, and with the list of trade partners…even with our half decade out first rounders now in the table, shrinking by the day it seems highly likely he will start the season on our roster, he will play. Take it to the bank, bet the farm, guarantee-o-reno.
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LOL. They asked him because it get a of people, including you, to buy the story that they were going to keep him if they didn’t get an offer they like. It’s also a good question to see what the coach candidates would come up with. It’s been all just a big PR move from Day 1. From his exit interview, it was obvious Russell Westbrook would never wear purple and gold again.
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You mean taking people T their word that they mean what they say as opposed to taking what you think they mean in some Machiavellian scheme to fool the world that already knows they have like 2 bullets left in the chamber? Yeah, that’s it…how could I have been so obtuse? Lol…
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No dude, not your trade Russ fantasy but his they pay Russ 47 million dollars NOT to play fantasy. Who in the roster deserves those 25-49 mpg?
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Also…who on this roster deserves Russ’s minutes?! We got cast offs and non-shooters up and down the roster. Russ is better than 3/4s if the dudes in the team right now. Lol…
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Russ does not help the Lakers.
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I agree Jamie, if Russ can cut back on the bone head stuff, all he needs to be is respectable. I with you, I really don’t see a trade until later in the year. And I read a article. And apparently LeBron understands that there may not be any trades until later in the year. I’m in no hurry for a Pacer trade. There is a reason Buddy comes off the bench. All he can do at a high level is shoot. And Turner’s an upgrade but not a huge up grade. The Pacer trade doesn’t get us into the top 4 in the west unless some the others take big steps forward. I’m interested in seeing what Thomas Bryant looks like. His star was rising before the injuries. The only reason he is on the team is because of the injuries. If healthy he runs the floor better then Turner and is a much better defender and 3 point shooter. If he is back in form, he will be as big of a steal as Malik was last year.
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Well LBJ wasn’t a free agent and was going to be here next season one way or the other. Just tacked on more years in one of the few places that made sense. In terms of how/what the FO thinks? Man that’s been a mystery for a minute.
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I think time passing until a buyout feels like a good deal to some team is the key to his trade value. If he plays well the Lakers should ride it out. If he doesn’t there will be team looking to clear cap space in Feb. I don’t see anything else making much sense to other teams.
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I did wonder if he would try to work a S&T to Cleveland for Sexton and that would not have been the worst outcome of the summer. In the end I’m sure he found the Lakers willingness to cater to him to good to walk away from.
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Excellent fiver, Jamie.
1. LeBron and the Lakers partnership. I think you hit the nail on the head. Personally, I applaud LeBron for tempering his desire to win and become the GOAT, he’s always shown a respect for life-work balance. I respect and appreciate that about him. He’s as good a man as basketball player.
2. What does the extension mean for Lakers? I’m more sanguine about the Lakers extending LeBron. What it means to me is LeBron is buying exactly what the Lakers are selling, that they are the destination for the league’s legends. Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Logo, Baylor, Big James, Wilkes. Lakers making an investment in their brand as home of the greats.
3. LeBron’s expectations. If we’re to believe the scuttlebutt, the Nets now want a win-now player along with draft capital and the Pacers have a minimum price of two first round picks for Turner and Hield. No way in my mind that the Lakers do not trade Russ before camp. Deals will be there. Goal should be Kyrie and Myles. That’s what the Lakers need to get for Russ, Nunn, and 2 unprotected picks.
4. I sure hope you’re wrong about the Lakers keeping Russ. Frankly, if they do keep him, that should be the final straw in firing Rob Pelinka. Turning down a chance to move Russ or get Kyrie or get Turner and Hield to save a pick 7 years from now would be criminally negligent behavior by Rob Pelinka.
5. The first big move was hiring Darvin Ham. The second big move was extending LeBron James. The third big move will be trading Russell Westbrook.
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Nets can’t trade Kyrie until they resolve Durant. It’s not the Lakers timeline. They’re going to be the kid waiting to get picked last. Hence it will be in-season. Maybe not February although that feels the most likely. Also don’t think they’ll cough up 2 picks for Turner and Buddy. Seems like if they were they would have.
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That’s just BS. Nothing the Nets do with KD affects what they should do with Kyrie. They only have one option to move Kyrie, which is the Lakers, who know the Nets are not going to bring Kyrie back.
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Read MoreSo coach Darvin Ham wants to run through Anthony Davis, eh? That’s a nice thought and it sounds fun but what does it really mean and what would it possibly need to max out it’s effectiveness. The Lakers won a championship with LeBron dominating the ball as our defacto PG. Since moving away from that formula we’ve seen the Laker offense take several steps back and several good players shipped out in the name of the “less handling of the ball” for LeBron crusade. So what, if anything, has really changed to make this possible now?
- Anthony Davis PG? Let’s squish this notion quickly: AD is unlikely to be bringing the ball up the court and initiating the offense. More likely he’ll be one of the first players down the court trying to get his positioning settled against potentially smaller players before the defense has a chance to get set. That makes the most sense from both a basketball 101 standpoint and how Davis deploys his vast array of hooping skills. So, no I do not expect to see a lot more of AD bringing the ball up. He has a handle but it’s not elite and he’s not very fleet of foot, he has a quickness to him but I don’t consider him to be fast or speedy. We’ll want LeBron, Russ or Nunn bringing the ball up and starting possessions off.
- Anthony Davis three point marksman? This is likely going to be a point of contention. Is Anthony Davis good at shooting threes? Is that what you really want to see him doing a lot of in-game? His high point in three point field goal attempts was the banner-winning 2019-2020 season…the one with a three month break due to the COVID shut down. So, in some ways, it’s hard to take both that season and his follow up season as gospel. Look at his career numbers and it’s not all that encouraging: 10 seasons, .5 makes on 1.6 attempts for 30.% for his career. Career high in attempts (3.5) and makes (1.2) is the never-to-be-replicated 2019-2020 season. The season ended in March, there was a three month lag between that and some games ramping up to the playoffs and there wasn’t much travel in the playoffs where Davis shot 23 for 71, 32% which is a slight bump when pitted against his career numbers. His most efficient season shooting the three was his next to last in NOLA (and one of 2 seasons he played in 75 games where he made an even 34% of his treys. So, while I expect that the three pointer will always be a key aspect of Anthony’s game, I don’t expect to see him launching threes off the bounce or things like that. If he shoots threes at a clip of 5/game that’s likely too high as it drags him out of the paint, the area in which he is far more effective and efficient.
- Looking at AD’s shot chart and you’ll see three things: he shoots more accurately from the right side of the floor (makes sense as he organically squares up better from that side) in general, other than the corner three from the right side he’s fairly inaccurate from distance (especially from the left baseline to corner before the top of the key) and he is a beast in the paint. Does this mean a return to back-to-the-basket, bruising post play? Probably not as coach Ham has intimated that we’ll see something akin to Milwaukee’s 4 out set with someone in the dunker spot

Above are some fairly basic sets we can expect to see. Assuming that Davis slots in at the 4 that would have him starting half court possessions in his strongest three point shooting position, right-side corner three. From there he could float in for a lob or back door cuts, the ball could work itself to him where he needs to make better choices in terms of shot selection than the last 2 seasons (too many fadeaway mid range jumpers early in the shot clock and not smart shots, generally speaking). This spot puts him in his most accurate three point shooting area and helps keep him out of the paint where he tends to get injured on contact plays.

Here we see a few other ways coach Ham could use Davis, many of these start with AD in the baseline corner. Ad could also be used as a small ball five with James sliding over to the four. LeBron is also great at shooting from the right side (again, makes sense given his dominant hand) but he’s better from corner arc then AD is. Both are elite at scoring in the paint and at the rim.
4. Interior scoring focus. When I hear “we want to run the offense through AD” I don’t think clear out and let him go to work. I see plays that result in AD taking (and hopefully making) jumpers and scoring in the paint. It is by far his best ability and there are few that can guard him down low. He has size, enough strength and speed and a vast array of moves. I think we’ll see the Lakers look to regain a dominating trait of their banner winning season which was dominating the points in the paint stat on a nightly basis. Paint scoring creates more fouls than perimeter scoring, can help take an elite defender off the court through said fouls, and is the most effective shot in the game. Again, I’m not expecting back-down, drop-step, sweeping hooks to become the norm but I do expect to see us work the ball down low and give AD license to abuse his defender.5. Anthony Davis point center? AD has never really established himself as a passing big man like The Big Spaniard did, he’s an elite defender, solid rebounder and great scorer but has never really earned the rep as a passing kind of player. He’s never averaged more than 3.9 dimes per game. To be fair, assists require someone else making a shot and Davis is generally one of the better options to take that shot especially when he’s playing with a passer like LeBron. But he needs to be better at making reads. His assist to turnover ratio is poor for a superstar player. Last season he averaged 3.1 assists but coughed it up 2.1 times. That needs to get better. Davis either needs to work on his passing accuracy and read/react skills or be more determined to score. So, while I don’t see AD becoming the lead distributor I do see him becoming our best finisher. After all, not everyone can be this guy:
Basically, I’m rather bored of this Laker off season. So all of this assumes Westbrook is on the roster. Because he still is. So, until that is not the case, I’m not assuming otherwise. With LeBron and Russ you have two elite assist men who can deliver the ball to Davis in his best spots. Coach Ham needs to maximize this aspect of the Lakers in the half court and figure out how to unleash our fast break, again. Davis can be the elite release valve we need in the half court. LeBron is an elite player on the break and Russ needs to figure out how to recapture some of that. If those things happen I think the Lakers will surprise a lot of people next season as currently constructed.-
Great fiver, Jamie. We’ve heard this same story before every season since AD arrived. He’s looking great physically and seems primed to have a great season. The Lakers offense should run through him. But what does that really mean.
Ironically, I’m in the middle of writing my version of that same article so great minds think alike. Main difference is I’m assuming Russ is traded. Bottom line, I agree. AD is the Crux. We’re a long shot to win a championship this season but our only realistic shot is if Anthony Davis shows that he can play the entire season like he played in the bubble to win the championship. AD must show he is top-5 player.
The Lakers seem to have adopted the approach of revamping the entire roster every season. The result has been a dreadful lack of continuity and growth. And yes, we’ve also made moves each season to try and reduce LeBron’s workload by bringing in point guards, a move we’re looking to do again this summer. Schroeder didn’t work. Westbrook didn’t work. Who’s got next? Kyrie? Your question is spot on. What’s changed now to make AD work.
1. I agree we will see AD sprinting down the court, especially if he plays the three on defense, where he will be guarding players out to the 3-point line. In Ham’s offense, first player down the court takes the dunker spot. That’s going to be AD. Look for a lot of early long passes to AD, which is a Lakers staple that will work perfectly in Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense.
2. Anthony Davis, 3-point marksman. You’re right, the stats aren’t promising that AD can be a plus 3-point shooter. In fact, the bubble playoffs were the outlier to the rest of his career. As a Laker, AD has shot 33%, 26%, and 19% from three. And the best he’s ever shot is 34%. On the flip side, he did shoot 38.3% in the bubble while also shooting 60% on 2-point shots. He also is an 83% free throw shooter in the playoffs. So bottom line, the potential is there but AD is going to have to prove he can shoot a good percentage from deep. It will be key to his success. It was his outside shooting that was the difference maker in his game in the bubble.
3. AD’s shot chart. One of the things you must consider is how Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense works. First guy down the court takes the dunker spot. Next two take the corners, putting first three players down the court all on the baseline. The key players in this offense are the two players on the left and right wing. The Bucks switched from 5-out to 4-out to create more space for the two players at the top of the key, who were usually Giannis and Khris. For the Lakers, I expect most of the time that those two players will be LeBron and AD. While there will be matchups where the Lakers will work the ball into the post for AD, most of the time he will have the ball behind the arc on the wing with loads of space to face up his defender and beat him off the dribble to get into the paint for an easy shot or assist.
4. Interior scoring focus. Assuming we get the shooters we need by trading Russ and THT, we’ll see the Lakers take a lot more threes because that’s how Ham wants to play. We’ll also see lot of midrange jumpers by LeBron and AD and lots of dunks from having a big in the dunker spot. We need shooters to make this work so that Russ and THT trades are critical but I think we will see an offense much more like the Bucks than the last three years of Lakers. Depending on whom we trade for, we could be a big bully team or an undersized team. One way or another, AD is going to put up a lot more shots and score more points than any of his first three seasons with the Lakers.
5. AD as point center. I agree not his strength but something he is going to have to do better if he’s going to get the ball so much because teams will try to force him to pass unless they have a defender who can handle him on-no-one. Here is where the spacing of Ham’s 4-out offense is going to be critical. The space between defenders in the 4-out is greater than the 5-out because there are only two players not on the baseline compared to three not on the baseline with 5-out sets. That means it’s hard for defenders to help and further to go to double.
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Thanks Tom, it’ll be interesting to see if/what moves Rob makes. I know you think a lot of this is all posturing and that both draft picks are all but ear-marked for trades but I’m not really so sure. At any rate, there hasn’t been any trade to date so since Russ and Kendrick are still on the team I’m not doing any kind of imagineering or stuff like that. Ham needs to work with what he’s got and so to do we. If that changes, so be it.
At any rate, as always, AD needs to play first and foremost. Any scheme involving him probably imagines that he’s not in street clothes. So his health and availability (as are all of our players) is a major key. His free throw shooting seems to come and go, which makes me think that’s as much an issue of focus and mental strength as his form and skill. I would say that 5 three point FGA/game would be the absolute ceiling. More of those just means we need elite rebounders to stop other teams from getting out on the break from us. I like him in the 3-4 range, which is his career average, and you see as well as I, he’s not an elite marksman from distance but he does do enough to keep his defender honest.
Since I don’t think Davis will be playing the three, especially since it pulls our best rebounder out of the rebounding area, I disagree with your notion of him being first out on the break. that’ll be James, Russ, Nunn, …THT…, and LW4. Guys who are truly fast or can get to spots at will through speed, strength and/or skill. I honestly don’t want AD playing defense on the perimeter, it takes away all of his strengths. Can he guard a smaller player on the perimeter? Sure, and we’ve seen Derek Fisher guard centers. Doesn’t make it a smart or good choice. Can and should are worlds apart. You want AD in or near the paint challenging shots at the rim, especially when you consider how much better at defense AD is than either Jones or Bryant. Even better when he’s at the as he is an elite help defender more than body up defender.
Since you keep bringing up trades that haven’t happened, I’ll bite. Don’t really see how we can trade THT and Russ, you’ll have to pick one. You could maybe get away with one draft pick in a trade for Talen but Russ, this summer, is going to take two to tango and once you do that you’re done. Pick swaps are cute but they are not driving forces in a trade, they can be the one thing that makes it feel like a “win” for one side or another when it’s really a lateral victory. “Oh, but we got a pick swap, OUR TEAM WON THE TRAD!!!!”. Russ at the deadline after the Lakers are on the book for the majority of his salary…different discussion. One gets it done mid-season, maybe even none for a team desperate enough at that time to unload salary (like Brooklyn could be if they try and shoehorn Durant into the season and it utterly blows up in their faces). Including THT with Russ just means more money for some team to pay taxes on. Not happening.
At any rate, I think the main thing about running the offense through Davis is him actually being on the court to do that. So here’s hopinh he plays in close to 82 games.
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Nice Jamie, it is refreshing to have something other then rehashing the same trade proposals over and over. As for AD, I want to see him scoring inside as much as possible. With his skill set, that’s were he thrives. At times he is unstoppable. One just has to look at the 76er game last year, where he destroyed Embid a 3 time all nba defender, with points around the rim and short jumpers. If he proves he can become a plus 3 point shooter, great, you can adjust but the plan going into the season, trade or no trade has to feature AD inside, or you are totally wasting one of the very best interior scorers in the game today. I’m
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Thanks, Jamie. I think we both agree that AD is the key. He has to be healthy and the player we had in the bubble or we can’t win. And LeBron has to stay healthy and play great too. Oh, and we have to move Russ or we will be a play-in team.
I think the Lakers have multiple options to trade Russ and THT. If we trade with the Nets, I think it will be those two plus two picks for Kyrie and Joe. I think we can get Turner and Hield with one pick and one swap, leaving a pick to juice THT. Truth is both Russ and Talen need sweeteners.
We may have another month to wait. Hope we’ll all be pleased rather than disappointed when this is all over. I feel 40% Kyrie/40% Myles and Buddy/10% another Russ trade/10% we keep him but bench him.
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- Anthony Davis PG? Let’s squish this notion quickly: AD is unlikely to be bringing the ball up the court and initiating the offense. More likely he’ll be one of the first players down the court trying to get his positioning settled against potentially smaller players before the defense has a chance to get set. That makes the most sense from both a basketball 101 standpoint and how Davis deploys his vast array of hooping skills. So, no I do not expect to see a lot more of AD bringing the ball up. He has a handle but it’s not elite and he’s not very fleet of foot, he has a quickness to him but I don’t consider him to be fast or speedy. We’ll want LeBron, Russ or Nunn bringing the ball up and starting possessions off.
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Read MoreLike an old timey spaghetti western complete with reverb boot steps we’re all stuck in the middle of a gunslinger draw with no end in sight. We got ourselves a whole slew of gunslingers, hand on the pistol, nobody blinking. Soon as they do, guns will come loose and the iron will fly. But for now…dead-eyed stares, eye’s watering from the holding them open. Who is going to blink first?
- Gunslinger #1 (aka the Brooklyn Nets): Much has been said, written, and opinionated about what the Nets will do. With the first real clarity on the situation since the Durant trade request put the entire summer into topsy-turvyville, that being that Durant no longer has faith in either coach Steve Nash (a departure from his comments as early as last April) or GM Sean Marks. Frankly that’s astounding to hear. He has no issues with fair-weather teammate Kyrie Irving who misses games no whims and in the name of a personal crusade he doesn’t have much vested in? Nope, but the coach he voted in confidence for in his exit interview and the GM who bent over backwards to accommodate him gotta go. When the news that a weekend get together with Durant and Nets owner Joe Tsai came out I was thinking it would be either to expand the teams he’d be willing to be traded for or to recant his demand altogether. So when the news came out was something that probably ought to have been included in his first “trade me” meeting…well, to put it mildly, I was amused. Durant ain’t blinking: Nash and Marks need to go or…what? Will he sit out a season, not collect a paycheck and fume for the next four years? I don’t think so, I think he fumes and plays. Honestly, who knows and, really, who cares except that it affects gunslinger #2. My working theory is the Nets fire Nash and Marks
- Gunslinger #2 (aka The Los Angeles Lakers): The Lakers need to improve the roster this summer. The moves they have made to date fall well short of that. We drafted a guy who can’t shoot, signed a young guy with our MLE that can’t shoot and brought in some centers one of whom used to be able to shoot but we’ll see. Not surprisingly, when the date finally arrived that LeBron James could sign or at least speak openly about an extension, that date came and went. Followed somewhat quickly by a “productive” meeting that resulted in no public information or contract extension news of any kind. Suffice to say that without any actual information to go on, LeBron isn’t happy with a roster he has in some way signed off on up until the end of last season. Now he wants changes, changes that will make future moves by the Lakers nigh impossible. While I can appreciate his personal position on the Lakers 2027 and 2029 draft picks (which if traded this season means we won’t have another 1st round draft pick to trade until the summer of 2024 unless it’s a draft day deal) we need at least one of them moving forward. 1st round draft picks are the grease that makes trades for below-market players possible. It’s what makes trading an expensive player into another team’s cap space possible. We have very little grease left and pick swaps don’t do it. Those are the sweetener that goes along with the actual pick. Second round draft picks definitely don’t get it done, doesn’t matter how many you trade. To my knowledge there are no rules governing how many 2nd rounders can be shipped out which should give you an idea of what their NBA market value is. There are likely three deals sitting in front of The King from here on out: a 1 year extension for the max, a 1+1 (PO on year 2) for the max, and a 2 year extension for the max. Those will be on the table until one is signed or LeBron’s current deal expires and he is an unrestricted free agent. My guess is LeBron has Rob’s word these deals will be available barring catastrophic injury…maybe even in that event, as well. That they have assured LeBron they will do any reasonable deal that comes their way. LeBron ain’t blinking, barring his concerns about suffering a major injury this season he has a deal until next summer and likely prioritizes freedom over anything else if this season goes sideways.
- Gunslinger #3 (aka Jeannie Buss): You might have thought this would go under the Lakers. I see it a bit differently as I am of the opinion that Jeannie has clipped Rob’s wings a bit this summer. I have no doubt that Rob would have sent out any and all draft picks to make a deal happen because, well, that’s about all Rob does. He is amazing at wasting draft assets on players whose services we do not retain. I would imagine Jeannie has had enough of that if I have. It’s her money, after all. There are two things Jeannie has the option of blinking on. First is the overall future of the Lakers and she has made it clear that this is a major priority for her. I’m sure that she, like the rest of us, is aware that we have draft picks we can use in either 2024 or 2025 (NOLA’s choice) and again in 2026 (currently kind of held hostage by said NOLA) and 2028 (not able to be traded along with either 2027 or 2029 because of the Stepien rule). that’s not the point, though. The point is holding onto those picks gives you a better chance of making a deal any time between now and the summer of either 2024 (when we can trade the 2031 draft pick, 2030 would be out unless we still have 2029 in our pocket, again Stepien rule). I’m also sure she knows that any pick we have can be used on a draft day deal because, technically, that’s the day it’s being used. Just can’t be used after draft day or during the regular season. The second thing Jeannie will eventually have to decide if she’ll blink on is a more expensive prospect: paying Russ not to play. In theory the Lakers could tell Russ he’s not going to play…but we’ll still pay you! If you ask me there is no way in Hell the same owner who balked at paying Jared Dudley to basically be a coach in a players uniform will pay Russell Westbrook $47 million dollars to stay home to Netflix and chill. She will never, ever, ever, never, never, ever gonna blink on that. If a dude making the veteran minimum, whose contributions were valued by both coaches and players, irked her than this beyond reality. It will not happen. She’ll blink on the draft picks before she blinks on that and I don’t think she blinks on those, either. The future of the franchise is as important to her as the present. She knows the Lakers will endure far beyond LeBron James.
- Gunslinger #4 (aka Russell Westbrook): You might think “Jamie, Russ opted in…what else can he do?” The answer my friend is something that has about the same chance as Jeannie blinking on telling him to stay home and that’s change his approach. To his credit, and it could all just be PR fluff mind you, Russ has been present this summer. He was present at coach Ham’s into presser. He was present at summer league. He’s been working out at the team facility. He seems to be as all in as Russ can be on next season. Does that portend a different ;looking Russell Westbrook? That’s a hard thing to say. He’s an established vet who has made a amrk playing and acting a certain way, to think that will all change just because coach ham said it should is hard to imagine. Still, in my opinion, this is the thing the most likely to change…kinda sort of. If Russ can do one thing better next season that could improve our fortunes it would be his finishing around the rim. I don’t need him to transform into Steph, I don’t need him to become Michael Cooper 2.0. I just want to see him make more layups and dunks. That’s it. I expect turnovers from high usage players, I would like to see fewer from many players including LeBron and AD. The not finishing at the rim is death, though. It kills fast breaks. It kills rallies. It kills joy. It needs to stop. Russ needs to make layups and I think he’ll be better next season. I think he blinks on that one.
- Gunslinger #5 (aka the Indiana Pacers): Bear with me here. They’re on this list not because they’re under the gun in any meaningful way, they have a set roster, cap space to spare, and all of their and other teams draft picks. I have them here because they have the 2 players I think the Lakers need to move on more aggressively than they seem to have shown an inclination to. Myles Turner and Buddy Heild represent fixes to 2 major areas of weakness: defense and shooting. The Lakers really need to figure out how to get Indy to blink on a deal for those 2 players. Brooklyn isn’t going to come to terms with anything quickly. The Lakers need to do a couple of things to make that more likely. First publicly end any and all pursuit of Kyrie Irving. Walk away from that dumpster fire and focus in on Indy. Second make an offer for Turner, Buddy, 2027 1st rounder, 2028 & 2029 pick swap and however many 2nd rounders it takes to get a deal done. Do whatever it takes to save face on that second first rounder which they have sworn is off the table all spring and summer long. Add whatever sweeteners are needed and also say that this deal has an expiration of one week prior to training camp opening and we won’t be trading Russ until February. There will be better deals for Russ at that time, the best deals possible, really. However, it makes more sense for the Lakers to do the best they can to go into the season with the roster they like more. I’m not sure Indy blinks on that deal but I sure hope Rob tries.
All in all I still think the following most likely to be: Russ is on the team until around the trading deadline, Rob will then make LakerTom’s dreams come true and finally execute an in-season trade, and that the Lakers hold onto both 1st rounders…for now. We’ll see, as the KD news shows us there is no sport wackier than the NBA where literally anything can happen.
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Great fiver, Jamie. How funny that the two of us end the offseason hoping for the same trade. Only need to give them one pick swap. Pick swaps are almost as good as picks as they guarantee that you will get a chance to swap and the date far enough away that the pick becomes another commodity to be traded several times before being used.
I have probably written over a dozen long articles trying to get Myles Turner on the Lakers over the past 5 years. The thought that it might actually happen scares me it’s taking so long I might not still be around when they finally announce it. A Turner, Davis, James front court will dominate. I love Kyrie but Turner and Hield are the right ticket this time around. Just don’t let pipe dreams of Kyrie screw this up.
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While funny I think the one thing we probably still differ on is the timing of this happening. I think the Pacers hold the line on their “two 1st rounders” demand until after the season starts. The reason being is that they aren’t really in a rush to get a deal for Russ done, especially if the plan is to turn around and buy him out. The Russ deal has been on and will be on the table for awhile now and continue to be for as long as it takes to actually get done.
That’s why I predict in the article that your dream of an in-season trade will at long last come to fruition as I think the Pacers will go f or just the one draft pick when the buyout cost drops as the season rolls along. They don’t need to trade either player as they have the luxury of time. Russ will be the most valuable he can possibly be the last day of trading, the Lakers will have footed the bill for his salary up until that point and a buy out will be reduced significantly for the team bringing him in while still getting all the benefits of his expiring salary.
Lakers are the ones in a rush. Nobody else is. It’s why the Nets trade will continue to get floated simply because it has more of a deadline than any other deal the Lakers might want to swing. Nets are probably in a little less of a rush than the Lakers but it’s minute.
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I think training camp will be the deadline for the Lakers making moves. I would not be surprised to see the Lakers re-engage the Pacers. Russ plus 2027 pick and 2026 pick swap for Turner and Hield. That would allow us to then trade THT and the 2029 pick for a Beverley or Washington.
PG: NUNN, Reaves, Christie
SG: HIELD, Walker,
SF: DAVIS, Brown, Toscano-Anderson
PF: JAMES, Washington, Johnson, Gabriel
CE: TURNER, Bryant, JonesTW: Swider, Pippin
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There was never going to be a Pacers trade as long as Kyrie was still a possibility. Right now, KD and Kyrie seem to have no problem playing together and Kyrie has no problem playing in Brooklyn.
That means Kyrie is staying in Brooklyn no matter whether KD is traded or stays. That ends the Lakers desire or need to trade with the Nets. I would also say it dims the chance of signing Kyrie next summer too.
With no Kyrie, the Pacers are next. We both think a pick swap will work as it’s as good as having the Lakers pick for that year. Yet, LAL keep one pick to use to sweeten THT trade for an important player, maybe Beverley or Washington.
With no shot a Kyrie, Lakers will be ready to move quickly as will the Pacers. I expect Tsai to say the Nets will double their efforts to trade KD and that could happen in a week. Once that chip falls, Lakers will move to close deal for Turner and Hield and maybe Beverley to give Ham the attack dog point guard he wants on defense. Beverley, Hield, Davis, James, and Turner would be one hell of a defensive team.
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Read MoreWe are at the point in the offseason where summer league is done and teams are, well, they’re all just sitting there. Most player movement and big deals happen up to or during summer league. Not a hard rule and of course trades or signings are likely to continue all the way until camp starts but the generally the big splashes and names have already been handled at this point. Not this season. Since Mongo said he was going fishing we’re going with that theme for this 5er.
- Seismic shifts making waves. I wrote at the beginning of the Lakers summer while the playoffs were all but done (maybe just after, hard to recall…) that it would take some seismic shifts in the NBA to shake a Russell Westbrook trade loose. Well, that happened alright. After Kyrie opted into his deal everyone thought the Nets were set to start building out the roster-oh wait Kevin Durant asked for a trade. Boom. Then the Jazz traded Gobert to Minny for a King’s ransom. Blammo. Then they put Donovan Mitchell sorta kinda maybe on the trading block for a double King’s ransom. Kablooey. Those were the kinds of things I thought would have to happen for a Russ trade to have a sliver of hope.
- Bait’s in the water but nothing’s biting. Durant is till a Net. So is Kyrie. Mitchell’s market is robust but the ask is pretty danged high (as it should be a star on the rise who is only 25). All these bombs dropped but very little shook loose. In fact the opposite happened, everything kind of just froze up and locked in place. Utah is asking for 7 (!) first round draft picks for Spyda. The Nets want a Gobert-esque haul for KD. They’re holding out hope of squeezing two 1st rounders from LA to lose Kyrie…maybe…or they want to keep him, hard to tell. Teams around the league have started filling out the back end of their rosters, except the Spurs who can afford to wait. There are a grip of un-signed free agents of impact and with summer league over there will likely be a lull of a couple weeks before things maybe heat up again prior to camp starting.
- Big Fish still out there. Russell is still a Laker. Listen to Darvin Ham and he seems intent on making it work. Like many of the Laker statements these days that should come with a “well what else is he supposed to say?” caveat. Darvin will have to make it work with whatever roster he inherits from Rob. The Lakers though are seemingly polarized into inaction by caution. Is LeBron going to sign that extension on 8/4? That’s the Big Fish question and everything is dictated by how that breaks. Personally I actually don’t see any big moves happening until that day because it is at that time LeBron can comment on what he wants in order to make that happen. That’s 22 days away. Time enough for executives to go on vacation and come back. Camp starts in September-ish, between LeBron’s date and then there will be time enough to get a deal done, should a deal be found.
- Cut bait and run? What are the 2027 and 2029 Laker 1st round draft picks truly worth? Remember they’re not the only picks we have access to, the other ones just can’t be traded until draft night of their respective summers. Or, crazy idea here, we could actually pick some young players with them! Regardless the Lakers will actually have one of either next or the following summer’s draft pick (based on what NOLA does). Get into it here. So, knowing that there will be pathways forward to draft young talent it’s curious to see the Lakers hold the line so staunchly regarding those 2 picks. There are two theories I have: one the Lakers realize how they have frittered away draft assets in pursuit of ill-fitting veterans and have chosen to stop doing that, Jeannie has clipped Rob’ wings a little bit…at least for now until we hear from The King. My guess is the second one. I think, for good or ill, Jeannie is asserting herself a little more. I don’t think the Lakers will trade those away without a firm commitment from LeBron. That’s smart, in my opinion. Everyone is saying all sorts of nice things but we’re talking about the same guy that left Cleveland in spectacular fashion on live TV, Miami without much notice and is now obligated to remain quiet until 8/4. This feels to many like a time to rush forward and do whatever one thinks may please LeBron. I am not one of those people. The Lakers have to do right by the Lakers and that means taking all the factors into consideration. LeBron is under contract next season and can sign an extension any time. He won’t demand a trade (or if so will look pretty silly doing so) and we won’t trade him (Jeannie has said as much up to this point saying even he doesn’t sign his extension they won’t consider trading him). James can’t say what he wants right now. So waiting is prudent if not really all that exciting.
- The one that got away? With the news that the Indy deal is “dead” some panic may begin to creep into those who see a trade of Westbrook as the only way forward. First off no deal is dead until the players on said team aren’t on the team, have no-trade clauses, or veto rights. So it’s just dead for the time being because everyone is moving on for a few weeks. LeBron’s date is the key to everything. It opens all the doors for what he might want in this moment, allows him to voice his opinion and provide the information the Lakers obviously feel like they need to move forward. Is that smart? I don’t know. I think that it would probably be better for the Lakers to trade Russ one way or the other, if they can, but I am also of the opinion that you can’t so heavily sabotage the future to do so. Yes, they’re only 2 draft picks but they’re likely to be decent as neither AD or LeBron are likely to be on the team by then. By that logic they’re the two most valuable for the Lakers. That they represent the best chances to rebuild prior to 2030. I have to applaud the Lakers stance tis summer as it’s one I’ve long wanted them to adopt: open for business but we’re not suckers and we don’t throw draft picks away like it’s a fire sale. Cost-controlled players who re top ten picks can be franchise altering. If you’re not getting back a sure-fire banner competing team for them you’re doing yourself wrong by tossing them away. Buddy Heild is not that player, nether is Myles Turner. Frankly, given the fact he’s only averaged 55 games/season for his career, neither is Kyrie Irving. There’s still plenty of time, as well. A lot could change internally for all parties involved. The Nets could decide running it back as-is is preferable. The Pacers seem to want both for two decent players but that doesn’t change the fact that one of those players is injury prone (Myles Turner who has played in fewer than 50 games the past two seasons) and a defensive sieve in Buddy. Sorry but that deal is just not worth both of those draft picks.
In the end desperation is a bad look for anyone at the bargaining table. The Lakers have done a decent job of holding the line on what assets they have. That’s smart and a nice change to see happening after the last 3 summers where we threw good players at bad along with draft picks all in the name of silly tweaks to a roster that won it all. For all those moves we’ve made we basically have fewer draft picks and Russell Westbrook to show for it. That’s not really a track record of success. Where the Lakers do have a track record of success is in the draft and so I like that they are realizing where their strengths and weaknesses lie. That may not sync up with LeBron’s timeline. If so, so be it. That’s the nature of the NBA and LeBron will either be here or he won’t. One way or another the games will be played.
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Fabulous Fiver, Jamie. One of the best imo. Props also to Mongo for the fishing theme. Waiting is certainly the Hardest Part.
1. Seismic shifts. I remember well your predicting that a possible seismic shift could shake up the Westbrook situation. You were certainly right so props. Good reminder that this is not our father’s NBA.
Player empowerment is getting even more aggressive and is unlikely to change. The small market owners will try to put a lid on player empowerment but the players and big market owners are fine with the constant player movement.
Truth is player empowerment is kind of like our climate crisis. Seismic shifts expected.
2. Baits in the Water. Love the progression of the fishing theme.
What’s added to the frustration is team’s not trusting giving up the barn for KD, thus he has become the road block for other moves. He could easily end up as a Net next season. My guess is Kyrie still gets traded to the Lakers as I don’t see Brooklyn or KD wanting to run it back with him.
3. Big Fish Still Out There. The tension mounts.
Could the Lakers end up catching nothing but a bottom feeding carp rather than the sleek starfish they’re seeking?
I agree August 4th is a day where we could see some clarity. Could LeBron sign an extension? Or will he leave the Lakers hanging and say he will wait and see. That could change everything. Better subtitle might have been Storm Brewing.
4. Cut Bait and Run. Good header but this is where you and I split.
First, the idea the Lakers are giving up their only draft picks is BS. They have guaranteed pick every other year and have two future picks tied up with swaps that will come free. They only owe 1 pick from the AD deal.
Second, the chances of LeBron and the Lakers separating at this point in miniscule. LeBron wants to be here. Who knows how many years he still has? He’s not at this age going to want to pick up stakes and move to another team.
Third, I think there’s a third possibility for Jeanie’s position on picks, which is it’s part of PR campaign to make Lakers appear less desperate.
5. The one that got away. Great ending subtitle. Pure genius.
Hopefully, this won’t be our ending. Thought the topic would lead to discussion of not offering the second pick when we might have closed the deal for Kyrie or for the Pacers. I do agree the deal is not dead until the assets involved have been dealt.
The picks are meaningless at this point. The Lakers or even the team you trade those picks to will never use them for players. Those picks will become a form of baseball’s own crypto currency as they’re traded numerous times.
Arguing that using them for Turner and Hield would be shortsighted is silly. Holding onto the picks is the only way the Lakers could convince LeBron James to leave.
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Great Post Jamie, you are spot on. There are a lot of dominos that have to fall before it’s the Lakers turn. I also like the Lakers approach. They haven’t caved in to Lebrons pressure and are trying to make the best possible deal. I’m with you on Turner and Buddy. I wouldn’t give up both firsts for them. Turner would be a marginal upgrade. Yes he is a good drop down defender and a great shot blocker, but he also is hunted on defense on the perimeter and while he can hit the 3 he is a below average 3 point shooter that I wouldn’t want taking a lot of them. And there is a reason Buddy was a bench player for a bad team. Shooting is the only thing he brings to the table.we could be a little better with them but not contender better. I think you only trade both firsts if it gives you a punchers chance at a title. A Kyrie trade may do that, especially if a healthy Harris were included but it still is risky if you don’t win it all. Kyrie has left a bad taste in every team he’s ever played for mouth. He could easily be a one and done player with the Lakers because nobody knows where his head will be next season, even Kyrie.
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I have to disagree with you on Myles Turner, Michael. I think the key to this season is reducing the workload on LeBron and AD and letting them play the 3 and 4 rather than going against bigger, tougher defenders by playing the 4 and 5.
I think Turner is criticial in that he gives us a young stretch five who is perfect to play alongside Anthony Davis, who is better facing the basket than posting up and better as a help shot blocker than primary low post defender.
I’m not a fan of having Kyrie be our point of attack defender or having unproven Jones or Bryant playing stretch five and rim protector. I would much prefer adding Turner and playing with a real two bigs.
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Unproven? Thomas was a rising star in the league before the injuries. If he didn’t have the set backs you may have been wanting to trade for him. If he’s healthy he is also perfect along side AD. And lest we forget Turner hasn’t actually been a picture of health either. So either way you are betting on a healthy season. I’ll roll with the guy that is not costing two draft picks. And Bryant is a couple of years younger with room to grow. He’s a hustle player and is one of the best in the league at running the floor. A slight upgrade at center and a bench scorer isn’t going to get us to a contender level. Plus next year you are not going to let Turner walk for nothing and Buddy has 20 mil left on his contract. So you will have 40+ mil to replace Westbrooks 47 mil so again not a lot of options to improve the team.
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My words from above: “Remember they’re not the only picks we have access to, the other ones just can’t be traded until draft night of their respective summers. ”. I’m well aware of our future draft asset stratus. They are the only assets we can trade now, later in the season if something goes wrong, next summer at any time and so on. The other picks, lovely as they are, can only be traded on draft day. We will not know if NOLA is swapping 2024 pick until they announce it, if we’re healthy it’s likely next summer. Hence my multiple declarations that NOLA is, in essence, also holding one of OUR draft picks hostage until they choose. That one being 2026. Can’t be traded if NOLA picks out 2025…until it’s relative draft day. This is all fairly plainly written up there. The 2027 and 2029 (are hell, let’s start including the next decade in the convo and add 2030!) are the only tools available for several years that can be used…in season…to improve the roster. Those are not tools to be wasted in a mid grade improvement. I’ve never bought the certainty of the “addition by subtraction” argument. First off it’s being made in a vacuum, but more importantly it’s an overpay to burn both picks on those two players. I don’t see how that’s not as plain as the nose on all of our faces. The Lakers have had a bad habit of burning good assets on bad players and, worse to my opinion, players we turn around and let walk for nothing. That’s not building. That’s not smart. That’s silly and wasteful, especially given the facts as to how Jeannie wants to keep costs down. Know how to do that? Draft players who are cost-controlled. Of course, then you get Rob selling short with Christie with just a 2 year deal so there’s little hope he has any clue he knows what he’s doing at this point. The man is inept.
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Read MoreThe idea of trade winds has been around for some time. If you’ve spent time at sea or hang with people with a nautical bent you’ll hear them bring them up on occasion. In case you’re wondering what they are: The trade winds are winds that reliably blow east to west just north and south of the equator. The winds help ships travel west, and they can also steer storms such as hurricanes, too. Stuck at sea? Head towards the equator and build some speed up, find some winds to ride and get back in sight of land. For all intents and purposes, the Lakers are currently stuck at sea and good trade wind may be the only way to regain momentum with the current crew.
- The Perfect Storm. The big thing online these days is to dissect the myriad of ways the Lakers could acquire Kyrie Irving and some other players at the cost of Russell Westbrook and…and uh, well, that there’s the current conundrum. Hurricanes Lakers, Nets, Russell and Kyrie have not combined to form the perfect storm yet. Sometimes tropical storm Spurs get tossed out there as a potential catalyst but I ain’t buying that one. In fact it’s actually more like All Quiet on the Western Front with nothing but false radar blips and sonar pings in the form of media heads filling the time and space between now and the start of camp with the best TV the NBA has to offer this time of year: Laker drama at 6 followed by our T.G.I.F. line up of “What’s LeBron Doing?” at 7, “Look Where Russell Is Sitting” at 8 and “Look Kyrie Said Something at the Spark Game!!!” at 9 followed by the Late Show with host Anthony Davis. People call the week or so between the end of the playoffs and the draft the Dog Days of summer but, for me at least, this is the Dog Days. No real information, people who are paid to talk doing just that with nary a real fact to report and Lakers fans reeking of almost as much desperation as Rob clinging to every post or report. It’s enough to make a man watch Snowflake Mountain.
- When the wind dies down. Sending Kyrie to the Lakers is really the only option they have besides keeping him on the roster and forcing his hand. If the Nets can’t find a suitable trade for Durant this option becomes a lot more viable since Durant has indicated that he would love to keep the wacky-ass partnership he has going with Irving alive on some other sucker, er, team. Why? Who knows and, frankly, who cares. The fact that Durant feels that way is enough for the Nets to keep the band together until camp comes around and let those two figure out what they want to do. Without KD and Irving it feels unlikely that the Nets will compete this season. That could change if they can convince Phoenix or Miami to part with an All Star…which also feels unlikely. To date the Nets have indicated that a Kyrie deal will happen after a Durant deal which doesn’t feel imminent. In fact all the noise around that topic has died down to barely a whisper, enough to make the water ripple but not enough to push the boat through the sea. I don’t think a Kyrie trade happens at all if the Nets can’t find a trade they like for Kevin.
- The doldrums are a real thing. As reliable as a trade wind can be there is, like in all things, a flip side to that phenomena. It’s called The Doldrums. The doldrums is a popular nautical term that refers to the belt around the Earth near the equator where sailing ships sometimes get stuck on windless waters. That’s where all parties involved are right now. Teams like Minnesota have rejected giving up 2 young stars (KAT and AE) and a grip ton of draft picks. There is no movement on the Phoenix or Miami front. The hilarious Golden State connection is DOA. In short, that ship isn’t going anywhere and is looking for a breath of fresh wind to fill the sails. Could that be a Kyrie Irving three team trade that ends up giving Brooklyn and large Traded Player Exception that could be used to offload a bad deal or two to help convince a team like Miami to part with Bam or Phoenix to part with Booker or Minny to part with newly extended Kat? No. I don’t think so. I’ve looked over what that involves and neither the Lakers or Nets have the draft assets, currently, to make that feasibly entice a team like San Antonio to do them a favor. So until the asking price for Durant goes down he is staying a Net.
- Would the Nets just trade Kyrie and change for Russell? Personally I don’t see that happening for the following reasons: I think the Nets believe that they can bring Kevin back into the fold by not trading Kyrie and that they can get both guys on something akin to the same page with the organization. The Nets have bent over backwards to accommodate both men and they have continued to fill out the roster with useful role-players. Moves that remind me how the Lakers responded when Kobe demanded to be traded. They never once publicly said they wouldn’t do it but nor did they panic and take the first bad deal that came down the pike. The fact that both Durant and Bryant seemed to think they could be traded for players that weren’t All Stars and just bit guys and draft picks speaks to how out of touch with reality Durant is in this moment. The Nets might not get Booker but they won’t settle for an extended Ayton. The Nets might not get Jimmy but they won’t settle for an extended/hard-capping Herro. So on and so forth. The sticking point on the Lakers end seems to be utterly bailing on the rest of the decade and why that could, maybe just possibly, be a bad thing to do. Especially with the following facts in hand: COVID will get worse in winter which may very well lead states like California to require proof of vaccination in order to attend, engage in or be a part of indoor events. At that point Kyrie is about as valuable as The Maltese Falcon. Everyone assumes LeBron can reign in Kyrie, including LeBron. No offense but we saw how well that worked last season dude. James doesn’t have the pull or voice he once did, he couldn’t communicate with Russ in any meaningful way and still doesn’t seem to have. Does anyone really believe that Russ is more stubborn than Kyrie is? I don’t, at best they are the same level of self before others, at worse Kyrie is more stubborn as we have seen him willing to miss playoff games in the name of standing up for the little guy. Which he’s doing great at, by the way.
- Any way the wind blows, doesn’t really matter to me…to me. If this is mostly about keeping LeBron James happy than the calculus is jacked. LeBron is as fickle as they in regards to whom is on the team. The one thing that has been proven to me is that LeBron is good at a whole heckuva lot of things. Team building isn’t one of them. It’s why Cleveland lost it’s luster to him early on, they cowed to his every whim. It’s why he chose Miami because, somewhere inside of him, he realized he functions best in an organized and structured environment with a clear line of command. He went back to Cleveland to finish a job and he came here because it’s a matter of both convenience and mutual goals. He came because of the legacy and the history, not because the Laker front office are masters of, well, anything at all but leaking bad information for no advantageous reason whatsoever. He will move on, like all mercs do, when the goals diverge or the convenience becomes something else. He is not, and has never been, a Laker Lifer. I’m sure he’ll do the little Spectrum shows, do a top ten LeBron Laker moments, so on so forth. He’ll pass Laker Legends in a Laker uniform and that’s kind of cool but it also feels kind of calculated and, honestly, a little pre-meditated which pisses me off a little. Kobe played himself into the ground wearing that jersey, Magic had to be stricken by a deadly illness and still came back for more. LeBron? Well, if one is honest, he’s doing exactly what he can do right now which is wait until 8/4/2022 to say or do anything regarding his extension. So final judgement can wait a couple weeks. Still, I can’t let myself put LeBron in anywhere near the same category as the other all time Laker greats I just mentioned, I don’t even put him at Pau Gasol level, yet. Pau got traded, for wee and fragile Chris Paul who is unlikely to ever win a ring at this point, because some brainiac in the front office thought the ball dominant superstar who never gave the ball up to anybody would totally give the ball up to CP3 thus breaking up potentially the last, great Laker dynasty. How did Pau respond? He was, as he has always been, a pro about it. Called it unfortunate, said he wanted to stay a Laker, and played the season out Can’t say I believe that team had another ring in them but you never know and now we never will. Anyhow, point of all that here on #5 is we need to prepare for a post-LeBron world and nobody should really want Kyrie here unless he takes a pay cut and has a contract with games played performance clauses. If someone doesn’t show up to work (and let’s remember Kyrie averages 55 games/season and a lot of those aren’t due to any injuries at all nor exclusively COVID related) they’re about as useful as the office chair their ass should be sitting in.
Saturday has come and gone, summer league ends tomorrow, so when Mr. Sun comes up on Monday morning and there is no Kyrie trade it’ll just set off a different wave of absurdity and nonsense. “We saw them at the place, they talked and smiled, WOJ WAS THERE!!!” and other forms of boring malarkey. You can bet I’ll be tuning it out because it’s empty-headed nonsense brought to life for the sole purpose of occupying space and time. Rob should continue to try and leverage the Brooklyn situation to pressure a team like Indy to make a deal for THT and Nunn, sans draft picks if he can, and then batten down the hatches and prepare for a squall. The truth is even that kind of deal feels pretty farfetched at this point. Starting to feel like this is the team rolling into next season to me.
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Aloha Jamie,
living in Hawaii, i enjoy the trade winds on a warm day. but im not enjoying the NBA trate winds much. at this point I wouldnt be surprised either way. i do know that if we do make the trade we will probably get screwed over. since the end of the season, negative leaks have flowed from the front office and Lebron, stripping away any leverage we may have had. you made an interesting point. The Nets traded a first round pick for Royce Oneil and gambled on TJ Warren. these are not moves that a tanking team makes. The Nets are looking for a haul for KD, especially after they saw what The Jazz got for Gobert. If they don’t trade KD and they look at their roster and say, you know with Kyrie we could compete for a ring, think they still trade him for a distant first or two? Championships are hard to come by, the Nets never have won one. i think they would pass on the picks for a ring. and whats Kyrie going to do? this is a contract year. If he wants to get paid he needs to step up. any further antics could cost him millions. It will be interesting to see what happens with KD because that will be the key to Kyrie.
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One of the first things sailors learn about Trade Winds is not to piss into the wind because you know what happens.
Kyrie for Russ trade will happen soon so enjoy every piece of disappointing Lakers news hoping you are right.
The good news is you will be wrong and the Lakers will trade Russ for Kyrie and be back in the hunt this season.
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Also seems like you didn’t bother to read as I say here (and multiple other mites) that I think trading Russ makes decent sense but that there ain’t a lotta movement. Enjoy watching Brian Windhorst’s Twitter feed until midnight lol
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We’re all just watching the most boring game of chicken ever. Who will blink? Rob and send out draft picks because he doesn’t have the stone to get a deal done without them? The Nets because they are o-v-e-r Irving.? Neither and they just keep staring until the season rolls around? All for a player who we’ll be lucky to squeeze 60 total (including playoffs) games out of? Awesome. I haven’t been this excited since we signed Matt Barnes!!!
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I don’t think that’s gonna happen. Jeannie gripes about vet minimum guys who didn’t play. Russ makes a little more money than that. I’ve seen that theory a lot but there’s no way they can hope to trade him if he doesn’t play. There’s no way Jeannie signs off on paying him to stay home. Coach Ham came into this eyes wide open, it’s why they asked the coach how they’d use Russ. He’ll play. He might get benched and gripe or whatever but he’ll be on the active roster and playing some sort of role.