JAMIE SWEET’S ‘5 THINGS
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Read MoreOK, here it is. Funny in that I had started this prior to the podcast where Marc Stein floated the same theory. Scary because that means there is more than a kernel of truth. Sad because this is the current state of Laker Nation. We have reached the Waiting on Kyrie Zone.
- Don’t get it wrong, this ain’t no miracle for the Lakers or their fans. This is, in my opinion, bringing a player less reliable than Russell is. Oh, it’s Thursday before a lobster boil in Kansas? Sorry guys, can’t make the game. Random social justice cause that I can Tweet about but actually do very little? Gonna need a week of personal time with full pay to get through it. The Earth is flat, nah just kidding I know it’s round I just use my platform for bullshyte. That is the maturity and character of the person the Lakers now seem to be focusing far too much attention on. Give me Russ over Kyrie all day, every day from now until the end of time. Kyrie is a joke, not a serious basketball player.
- Ok, ok, got that outta my system…kinda. On the court Irving is a far superior fit alongside AD and LeBron than Russ is. Kyrie can shoot, is as able a distributor and has maybe the best handle in the game today. It’s the baggage…so very much baggage. It threatens to suck anything that comes into it’s orbit into an absurdist pit of wackiness without end. You want to challenge your new coach? Throw that mess on his plate and walk away.
- Ok, ok…ok. Now I really have gotten that out of my system. There aren’t many paths for Irving to become a Laker. The first is the least likely which is straight trade with the Nets. Russ at $47,063,478 and Kyrie at $36,503,300 means there is too large a gap and the Nets have to send another player or few. Seth Curry at $8,496,653 just about does it and certainly does if you throw in Kessler (who?) Edwards at $1,563,518. There are other permutations that can be juggled but the real issue is the Nets have signaled they do not want anything to do with Westbrook. This route feels DOA.
- Multi team trade. What this really should read is three team trade with OKC, Brooklyn and LA. No other team has the cap space or the inclination to hoard draft picks like the Thunder do. Are there other teams with the requisite cap space, or clearable cap space? Sure, but those aren’t realistic options, IMO. Real hard for me seeing OKC doing the Lakers a favor, of course the cost would be the last two tradeable draft picks in our stockpile, maybe Reaves to boot. The one thing this path would do is open up the door to adding THT and Nunn into the deal and getting below the tax apron thus opening up better spending tools. Still, hard for me to see this one happening in so short of time.
- Everyone’s dream team. Irving opts out and signs with LA for the MLE. Big 4 of Russ, Kyrie, LeBron and AD. The stuff nightmares are made of. For Laker fans. Who would get the ball? Who would be the worst defender? How often would Kyrie play when paid so little? Still, in all reality, this path seems the most likely to me for Irving to wind up in the purple and gold. The fit would be…interesting. Certainly would give the Lakers another ball handler and some shooting to maybe open up the floor a little but it really just looks and feels like too many cooks in the kitchen. Unless it’s a race to see who plays in fewer games: Davis or Irving (Irving would get my bet).
All in all, it’s a small chance but a real one. No GM is likely to want to do either Kyrie or the Lakers any favors. The Lakers would be insane if they gave Kyrie a multi-year extension since it’s all but guaranteed he’ll miss large portions of every season (currently averaging 55 games/season and at 30 years old he won’t be getting any healthier), at least without a trial season on the MLE…where he will likely miss a boatload of games to pout about how little he is being paid. The talent is undeniable, and so is the petulant attitude and lack of seriousness when it comes to being a pro athlete. He should come with a warning: buyer beware, player likely to throw a pique and be out of contact for stretches of the season. But it is the Lakers so anything is possible.
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Yeah, I had thought he would simply opt in, maybe work out an extension. Jokes on me, lol.
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Read MoreThe NBA is entering the home stretch of the 2021-22 season and Laker fans have all but tuned out the games as they had been riveted first by a coaching search (now complete and welcome to the dumpster fire Coach Ham!) and now by the ponderous and burdensome search for a palatable trade for one Russell Westbrook. What tastes good to fans seemingly isn’t acceptable to Rob Pelinka and the Laker ownership cabal. With the news coming from the internet that the Lakers are unwilling to attach future draft considerations to a Westbrook trade, Russ signaling his enthusiasm for Ham’s hiring, and the tepid market for Westbrook in general it would seem the Lakers are headed towards a second season of our version of a Big Three. So, while this writer has long been of the opinion there was a decent to good chance that Russ would continue his career in the purple and gold, I wanted to look at some things that just might change the equation for trading Russ.
- The Lakers move off their current and alleged stance of no future draft considerations attached in a deal for Westbrook. While this may seem the obvious choice to some it’s not a reach to understand where Rob is coming from in publicly declaring such a stance. First off, the term “news flash” does not apply to anything related to the Lakers wanting to move off the Westbrook contract and improve the roster or at least make a decent lateral move. File that one under “No Doy, Man”. So Rob could be deploying an absurd stratagem of “Nuh-Uh, Dude, we WANT to keep Russ, like, fer sure, man!!!!” because like any desperate gambler you have to at least try a bluff when you’re down in chips, short on assets and daylight is creeping into the room signaling that tomorrow has arrived. I actually think Rob is serious when he says he’d rather ride it out. There are quite a few benefits the most obvious being that if the three core players can play more the team will perform better. Russell will be an unrestricted free agent next season and could either be retained on a team-friendly extension or seek employment elsewhere thus freeing up a plethora of cap space to rebuild the roster. Again. For the third time since winning a title.
- Damien Lillard demands a trade. This is one of the things that I could see severely altering the NBA landscape. If Dame Time decides he wants no part of a Portland rebuild it’s easy to see a plethora of teams looking to get in on that action. While I don’t think the Lakers have an attractive trade package to offer Portland they could potentially get in on a multiteam deal that facilitates Russ being moved elsewhere. Trading for Dame would probably take better draft assets than we currently have. Could the Lakers up the ante and look to include THT, Nunn, Reaves, Johnson, Gabriel both draft picks and bring back Lillard and Bledsoe? Honestly…I’m not sure I would make that deal…but that is the kind of thing that could potentially alter the equation for a Westbrook trade.
- Donovan Mitchell demands a trade. With the news that Quinn Snyder has walked away from his coaching gig in Utah came the not really surprising news that Donovan Mitchell is uneasy with the direction of the franchise and is seeking some form of re-assurement. If he doesn’t get that it’s possible he could demand a trade. Like Damien this has the potential to shift the NBA landscape. While it would make a lot more sense for the Jazz to try and move Gobert let’s assume for the sake of this article that Spida is adamant about changing teams. If so the Lakers could be in the position of trading Russ, the draft picks and Nunn (should he opt in) for Spida, Clarkson and Gay which would be the kind of cap space that would allow Utah to revamp the roster. Again, the issue with that kind of trade is that Utah isn’t really a destination franchise, especially with a star player asking out, a coach walking away, and, well, Utah. So it’s hard for one to imagine a bevy of free agents going there but you never know. Ainge could be in a place where he’s excited about a total rebuild and while this trade is short on draft assets it does get three large money players off the book and give Utah a ton of flexibility to either tear it down more by trading Rudy.
- Utah looks to appease Spida by trading Rudy Gobert and Rudy Gay. Had Coach Snyder stayed in Utah I really wouldn’t see this happening. Donovan and Rudy have had their differences, ironed them out, and more differences came up. While adding Russell to Utah’s roster without moving Mike Conley doesn’t make a ton of sense they could pursue a separate Conley trade elsewhere. Russ for Rudy squared works in the trade machine and, in theory, Utah might not ask for a pick to get it done in order to keep Mitchell happy. There are few centers with the defensive acumen that Gobert has. While assuredly not a stretch five does it really matter? You allow AD to play the 4 for the next 4 years left on Gobert’s deal, you have the lob threat LeBron loves to work with and as elite a defender as you can find in the NBA. You can bench him in the playoffs and go small without worry because you have Davis on the roster. While not the NBA altering deal the above are this one is a little easier to imagine going through given the news out of Utah.
- Zach LaVine pulls an AD. This one, in my opinion, is dream fodder. LaVine isn’t the talent AD was, Chicago ain’t the Pelicans in terms of calling a bluff, and LaVine will find a dry market when it comes to major franchises. Cap space is low across the league and the pool of talent is small. So, unless Zach has an itch for max money in OKC his best shot is to stay right where he is. But, again, for the sake of the article if Zach and Klutch did try and maneuver him to LA in a S&T that’s really the last option I see the Lakers having in terms of a realistic Russ trade that also opens the door back to contention.
In my opinion it will take a superstar demanding to move that represents a clear improvement to the team for Rob to move off his draft pick stance. I can still see them trading for John Wall straight up or even maybe Gordon Hayward and some junk but neither of those gets the team to the NBA Finals again. Who knows what Wall has left and Hayward is the small forward version of Davis: solid when healthy but can’t be counted on to be available when they’re needed most, or at all. For my part I’d rather keep Russ than trade for a broken player or one like Wall who’s skillset largely mirrors Westbrook’s but hasn’t played in what will be just under two years when next season rolls around. You don’t get better that way, you just get older. After that I doubt there’s much interest from team’s that made the playoffs this season or had down years like Atlanta and New York. A Russ trade is one that signals a full rebuild, or as close as you get to one, and neither of those teams are i that position. They’re looking for improvements on the margin, little tweaks to the roster not wholesale tear-downs. That is the issue with the size of Russ’s deal: there just aren’t many teams looking for that level of restructuring this summer. The playin and lottery tweaks have made the league tilt towards wanting to be competitive all season long since your draft odds don’t dramatically shift with losing. We’ve already seen how teams in the playin one season can ascend to really competitive the following one in Memphis, how chemistry builds a winner in Milwaukee, and the fact is Russ isn’t the kind of player that alters your trajectory at this point. So my advice to you is invest in trade hopes and dreams but you should also buckle up and prepare yourself to ride this out with Russ on the roster.
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The Lakers are apparently going to go into the offseason playing your Bring Back Russ song, Jamie. Could Russ actually be self aware enough to understand that this could be something that could save his career? Could Darvin be so convincing he could get Russ to buy in to changing his spots like a leopard turning into a tiger? That’s what it would take for this to work in my opinion.
Still have to believe Lakers aren’t foolish enough to take back Russ but are just trying to rehabilitate his reputation so they can trade him as hoped. What this probably does mean, however, the Lakers are not 100% sure they can move Russ. Just think it would be a monumental mistake to think Russ could change or that keeping him could be better than moving him. Dumb to double down on Russ becoming a winner.
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Never said I advocated/wanted Russ to be brought back. In fact, on both podcasts and in print I’ve said the opposite.
It’s just there is definitely a law of diminishing returns on a Russ deal in the current climate. He didn’t play well, we didn’t do well and no big name is coming onto the market this summer or next that you NEED to clear that much space for. No team is going to play a 6-10 million dollar player 12-15 just because they have a lot of cap space. Couple that with the notion that Russ will likely not leave much cash on the table in a buyout scenario and voila! The theory of Russ not being traded is born.
Rob is also more of an agent. This shows in how he built the roster last summer thinking veteran knowhow would coalesce and triumph over youth and athleticism. What happened? Lakers got run out of the gym more often than not and we sent out emergency beacons to every player under 28 that wasn’t drafted.
Be curious to see if they bring back Drummond over Howard or kick the tires on signing Hassan Whiteside. Hartenstein is also in that mix. Need to get younger and healthier.
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I don’t understand your position. You say you are not in favor of trading Russ yet you support the decision to bring him back? Are you trying to say you think we aren’t going to find a trade for him and you support keeping him in that situation? Just not sure what you’re saying.
My position is the Lakers should trade Russ for whatever they can get, even if it’s just breaking his $47M down into two or three contracts. In fact, one of the goals of trading Russ is taking back less money so we have a chance to get under the hard cap. Frankly, I might even consider waiving and stretching him to get under the hard cap if there really was no trade.
Frankly, there will be trades available if the Lakers are willing to give up a pick, which is why I think this entire bring back Russ scenario is all just posturing. The Lakers are never going to use those picks for 2027 and 2029. They will be traded for players to help win now. We all know that. Russ will be traded. Crow will be eaten. Life will go on.
If we keep Russ, we are totally screwed because we could not hard cap and the only trading chips we would have would then be THT, Nunn, and the 2 picks. Best you could hope for with those chips might be Jerami Grant or OG Anunoby to fill our need for a bigger 3&D wing. Plus what you can get for your $6.3M mini-MLE. Going to be hard to find shooters and defenders without trading Russ. Lakers betting on Ham being able to turn Russ into a great defender and smarter offensive player could lead to second disastrous year.
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You forget that I don’t really put myself in the GM shoes or speak as if that was my job. Outsider looking in is more like it.
I don’t think Russ will change, I think Russ did not get a fair shake with the team Rob expected to field and I don’t think Russ much respected Vogel even though he has one more ring than Russ which is to say zero. I think Rob has factored all of that along with what is certain to be a tepid at best trade market for Russ. There will still be fit issues, as there will be if we bring in another ball-dominant player. I don’t ever think the best thing for players like LeBron, Kobe, Russ etc. is to get another player who also needs the ball in their hands to be effective. That does not normally work in the NBA unless you’re over-the-hill Steve Nash and Kobe reduces you to spot up corner jump shooter.
I don’t think the Lakers see hard capping as win or lose situation. I think they have a lot of pride in the choices they made and Rob will go down with his choice. Is that smart? Objectively, no. But we’re not the ones in the office, watching news reports, looking at whatever data and criteria they make decisions based on. In short, they are the ones in the worst position to be objective. If they were objective Frank would still have a job because little, if any, of last season was his doing.
However, I cannot advocate trading him at any cost. Nor can I support the idea that we should pay him not to play or anything absurd like that. Those ideas are non-starters for me because of how much cap space Russ occupies. just means you’re throwing away any real chance to field a competitive team.
So, based on all of that and because the tenor of the NBA trade market has changed in the last few seasons, I don’t see a lot of great options for the Lakers to pursue. Wall is a lateral, at best.
Hayward the same, if he can even stay on the floor. Jeannine would seemingly rather field a team that struggles to fit than pay millionaires to stay home and ice a leg or rehab on the family dime.So, while I agree that the Russ fit is both awkward and unlikely to produce banner 18, I can easily see the Lakers in simply choosing to ride it out and hope for the best. I do think that if health were on our side more last season, we would have made the playoffs and this would all be looked at very differently.
If one is honest the chances we’ll bring back the kind of players we know would fit better are all but lost this summer. Nobody is going to trade anything but spare parts for Russ. Better to hope that Russ plays better and we either play at a higher level or he brings back something better around the deadline next season.
I don’t think Russ is as garbage a player that the internet and non-player media pundits seem to think. I think he’s cantankerous and a lot of personalities don’t like that because he treats them like he would an opponent: like an enemy. I like that about Russ. If Ham can unlock a better way for he and LeBron to coexist (and for Russ to make a few more layups) I think we’ll be better off than if we trade for the one-legged Gordon Hayward.
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Great response, Jamie. Thanks. I understand where you’re coming from much better after the explanation.
Frankly, how we each approach the blog is the main reason why we often disagree or don’t share the same opinion.
I’m a salesman at heart. Can’t help it. I’m best when I believe in what I’m selling but I can still sell anything. Always been able to put together arguments for any position.
I approach the Lakers as if I owned them and want them to do what I would do. You assess what the Lakers are doing and figure out where you think that will take them. Bottom line, we’re both looking at the situation with different goals and methodologies.
Only thing we share is wanting our Lakers to come out on top. LOL.
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Oh I know. It’s why the first thing you thought of after Caruso signed with Chicago wasn’t that we lost a player who fit perfectly with our superstars or his defense but the salary we could have traded 5 months down the line. It’s also why my opinions don’t change much with articles or click-bait. I’ve arrived at a 50/50 Russ stays or goes place this summer and frankly its looking like that might be generous tonyhe trade half. more like 60/40 he stays right now.
Anyhow, all fun here on the too opionTing website on Earth.
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LOL. You can leave in in the marinade for now, Jamie.
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Read MoreI am remembering the entertaining and informative ESPN docuseries, The Last Dance. A poignant reminder to Laker fans as to how quickly and utterly things can deteriorate internally when the blame game starts, or front office executives think they know what a coach needs or which players are worth more than others. As far as the game today is concerned, for me it’s a non-event as I’ll be going to a friends wedding so enjoy. There wasn’t anything left worth paying attention to in this season a couple games after the All Star Break. This team does not, and never did, have the goods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2vwr-ln8D4- The Blame Game. This is where all parties involved need to tread more carefully than any of them seem to acknowledge. LeBron James is not a robot and if you actually want him to play here beyond next season then they should start acting like that. Great NBA players are people, too. They have wrinkles, bad days, and personality issues of their own. In LeBron’s case it’s that he demands the front office surround him with star power enough to compete for championships and is willing to say or do just about anything to make sure that happens. The fallout from Scottie Pippin not checking back into a game has lasted decades. The fallout from the front office throwing LeBron under the bus while seemingly taking almost zero onus on themselves for the Westbrook trade can do as much damage over the course of this summer. There is never, ever a winner in the Blame Game. So stop playing it.
- The Health Issue. It’s no secret our two best players have missed a grip of games over the last two seasons, benefitted from a three month break in the season when they did win a banner, and are, indeed, aging as we speak. Barring an unlikely as hell trade for either AD or LeBron they are who we will be building around this summer and so keeping them on the floor for 3/4’s of the season moves to the second highest priority after fixing the team. We said it last season, this summer, during the season and still today: we are going as far as James and Davis take us. It will be true until they depart. THT is not taking us to the highest level. Matt McClung, Wenyan and Stanley are window dressing at the mall, they will not alter the direction of the franchise in a meaningful way. We NEED James and Davis to play and they need to play at a fairly high level. Putting the injuries aside, LeBron turned in a historic campaign and played his rear end off all season long. Davis…well, he was pretty good on D but otherwise continued his regression from three and his jumper continues to become a secondary weapon. This won’t help our spacing issues. We need Davis to be the perimeter threat he once was.
- The Westbrook Dilemma. The fit of Russel is poor, that is no longer debatable. The ability to move Westbrook for players of true impact is also poor and, frankly, unlikely. When the best you can do is John Wall, Gordon Hayward or a player exception for your $47 million dollar PG you’re backed into a corner. That’s putting it nicely. Russ’s best ability is his availability, he’s not an elite scorer and his elite passing comes with equally elite turnover capacity. His price tag, while expiring, is enormous and will make smaller market teams who are constantly wary of going into the luxury tax zone more wary to deal for him. Large market franchises have signaled through the same channels the Lakers use to troll their superstars that they aren’t all that interested in bailing us out. That leaves us with some fairly unpalatable choices. At least that’s how it looks now. You never know what can change over the course of a playoff series or what other costly player will demand this summer (I’m looking at you Dame…). But, regardless of what LeBron says in his interviews about Steph Curry or other elite shooters, the return for Russ will likely be, at best, a break even affair. At worst we’ll trade our two draft picks for John Wall or Gordon Hayward who play for less than half of a season and don’t impact our winning chances all that much.
- The Young Dudes. Look…it’s really great that Stanley has a team option and got back into the NBA, that Wenyan found a team that could use his athletic ability and Matt McClung will get some run today. These are not needle moving players. They are roster spots 12, 13, and 14 on a championship team. They are DNP-CD during the playoffs, maybe Johnson sees some consistent minutes of the three in a specific match up. There’s a reason why these guys were in the G-League, 6th team in 3 seasons and waiver wire fodder. It’s because they’re just not that good but play really hard. Now I will be the first one to embrace a player or two on a roster like that, they are a necessary component to the recipe that constitutes a successful NBA team and we don’t need three of them. But they do not make us contenders in any way. Depending on the coach we bring in they might not even play just because they lack touch from the outside.
- Farewell Frank…? The funny thing about all the blame game chatter is how it predicts Frank as being the fall guy while being short on reasons why. The scuttlebutt is more focused on the front office, James, Davis and Westbrook. While whomever is leaking this BS (Kurt) out of the Lakers (Rambis) is likely congratulating themselves on shielding themselves (Kurt and Linda) from Jeannie’s wrath it also has the duplicate effect of shielding Frank from some of the blame. For every “Westbrook didn’t respect Frank guys!!!” article someone leaks to Silver Screen and Roll or to the Kamentzky Bros. there is also a ready-made excuse for Jeannie to ultimately retain the coach they are certainly going to be paying for next season. Given the ownership groups issues with spending, Frank’s recent banner he helped hang, and the fact he’s under contract next season it’s not outside the realm of reality that Frank mans the sidelines once again next season. I won’t go so far as to predict that will happen, feels like somebody other than Russ needs to take the fall, but it could happen.
Anyhow, that’s the last Fiver for this season. There’s nothing else to say that I haven’t said since training camp and the horse is well-flogged. If you were to put a gun to my head I would predict Frank gets fired, we trade Russ and our picks for Wall and we have a season a lot like this one next year. I don’t have any faith left in Rob or ownership to make smart decisions and our assets aren’t going to bring back great talent. Wall and Hayward are awful options, our coaching search last time didn’t inspire any confidence, and LeBron can’t keep this up forever. At some point he will begin to age and it could simply take the form of impressive stats in losing efforts and games missed. One way or another Rob has to thread quite the needle this summer and he doesn’t have any more mulligans to spare. The Lakers have their proverbial back against the proverbial wall.
Here’s hoping he can. Go Lakers.
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Good fiver, Jamie. Thanks.
1. Blame game. Hope this doesn’t get too messy during the offseason. It’s already looking like open season on throwing everybody under the bus. What else is new?
2. Health game. Lakers ain’t going to win any more titles with LeBron and AD unless both are healthy all season long. If they don’t believe they can keep both healthy, then they should trade them right now.
3. Westbrook dilemma. I’m actually optimistic that Russ’ expiring contract and the two first round picks are going to be valuable trading chips that will get us at least two new starters.
4. Young dudes. Bring back Reaves, Johnson, and Gabriel via team options and re-sign Monk with mini or full MLE.
5. Farewell Frank. Vogel got a bum deal this season with the roster given him but there’s no way he returns. Lakers should have let him go early in the season to optimize the roster they had. Big mistake. Time to look at Rajon Rondo as Lakers next head coach.
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Thanks LT, going to be a long summer of BS before any of it even starts to take shape. Planet Earth loves to love and hate the Lakers all at once.
Hopefully we get a little trade kick and a lot of health luck due us.
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Thanks Buba. Trying to come at this all objectively but with hope.
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I tend to agree with this therealhtj, hard for me to see us solving every issue this summer given the materials we have to work with. You could well be right that #18 is won by The Next Generation of Lakers.
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Read MoreMight not see another win the rest of the way at this rate. It’s gotta be hardest for the guys in the locker room that seem like they’re trying. They just lack overall roster talent. Frank threw the entire team at the Mavs except Wayne Ellington. Didn’t matter, game was over from the jump.
- No defense. The Lakers have been scoring enough to win basketball games. We just defend like crap. Could we use a better three point shooter? I don’t have that anywhere near the top of my list. It’s like 5th or so after paint defense, rim protection, perimeter defense, better on-ball defense and leadership. Only Houston, Portland and Sacramento give up more Opp. PPG than we do but we’re the 12th best offensive team. If we were even in the middle of the pack on defense we would be a very different team. For those who believe the solution lies in improving the offense we would have to be a top 3 offense in the NBA to overcome the differential our awful defense allows. Not happening now or this summer. Focus on the end with the most problems, AD and LBJ can score the basketball and if they’re not healthy it’s all moot.
- Luka looking really good. Dallas is my sleeper/dark horse pick to win it all based on how Luka is playing right now and that all the pieces around him fit well. They’ve improved on defense without giving up much on offense. Kristaps, who was never an intimidating defender despite his size, had too many holes in his game and moving on from him allowed the Mavs to make the game simpler. It’s worked and they look great.
- Monk was great. The kid is playing with passion and can do it all. Scores inside and out, makes plays for his teammates and takes care of the basketball. He’s making himself money and there are few scenarios remaining that allow me to see him staying unless he truly over-values the opportunity we’ve given him. More likely is we offer him whatever we can, someone offers more and he walks. Malik helped keep it as close as it was, which was not close at all.
- I’d keep DJ as a backup PG next season. Better than whatever option exists now. Could even start since he doesn’t need the ball, in many ways reminds me of D-Fish who would have been as perfect a compliment to LeBron as he was to Kobe. Ball-dominant players don’t need another ball dominant player. Why people keep trying to force that is beyond me. Get a solid backup and call it a day. DJ fits that mold and could maybe even be gotten for cheap.
- Hey look, Trevor Ariza. Remember when people were predicting he would be an X-factor? I had hoped he could fill a Rondo-esque role in the playoffs while working his way into shape during the regular season. Turns out all those calls were wrong as we won’t need a Rondo-esque player once the post-season starts without us.
If it sounds like I’ve given up on this version of the Lakers you would be correct. I don’t see a path forward that reality allows for. AD coming back and fixing everything? Don’t see it. LeBron getting like super-dooper healthy with a couple of days off? Physically impossible. Some combination of trash heap players and the AARP equivalent of pro NBA players getting it done? The current results speak for themselves. Best to, essentially, tank. Reward the teams we bullied into trading with us, pay homage to the basketball Gods in a proper way by not treating preseason like an extended vacation, and show up next season with some fawking pride.
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Read MoreDone. If you saw what I saw I thought we were done the first game back from the ASB but kept coming back out of a stubborn belief in the purple and gold. Not so much the players currently wearing it but the spirit of what the Lakers are, to me anyway. In the end, like many things in life, faith wasn’t enough for this team to actually accomplish great things on the court. You need luck and, more than that, young players with skills and talent. We ain’t gone none of that. We got problems. Epic problems.
- LeBron should shut it down right now. There really is no conceivable reason that he should push it. San Antonio is just as likely to overtake us with or without him playing on one leg and a bad ankle. But if he blows out a knee or an Achilles compensating for his injuries we’re in trouble next season and that’s an avoidable situation now.
- No need to activate AD. Same as the above. Why risk anything now that will have an impact on next season? Makes no sense. Take the hit on the chin, realize whatever you did wasn’t enough, stop with the excuses and show up ready to ball in October when camp breaks.
- What to do with Russ. Frankly, at this point, I think that all depends on Monk. If we can keep Malik without having to move Russ I think the Lakers run this back again. They’ll have ample excuses as to why it will work now. They’ll have fired Frank, Russ and LeBron have already figured out how to co-exist on a basketball court together, and injuries/bad luck/COVID/blah blah blah/ hampered us this season and lightning can’t strike the same team/players three times…can it? The options seem few and far between. W&Sing him sounds like it’s pretty much off the table based on reports coming out of Laker Land. Trading with the Knicks seems off the table at this point as well which is a bummer as that was a team I thought just might want to actually add Russell. That basically leaves two options:
-trade Russ and either Reaves or a pick or two for Houston to turn around and buy him out for John Wall (I don’t see them sending us players who can actually contribute)
-Dame asks to be moved specifically to the Lakers and reminds ownership how much he’s given to the franchise.
The Wall option to me is a no-go. Watching Klay Thompson play like a shell of himself save for a game or two here and there is all I need but I could easily cobble together a length list of speedy guards who never came close to re-capturing the impact they had prior to an injury like John Wall suffered. We don’t need more old, hobbled or slow. Toss in that we’d be starting all over, again, trying to incorporate three ball-dominant players after the ones we have basically just figured out how to kind of play together and I just don’t see the logic. I can even see letting Monk walk rather than go down the Wall path, honestly. I’d have to give that some serious thought as to which side of the fence I’d want land, though. - Fire Frank? Again, there are a plethora of excuses why they might keep him on. Injuries, bad luck, he started playing the way the analytics told him, he listened to Kurt and also played Dwight more, he won us a banner, and so on. I think his time here has come to an end…but I also didn’t expect the Lakers to cheap out on this season like they have. So now another factor gets introduced: is there such a liquidity problem amongst the Buss kids/Laker ownership that they don’t want to pay 2 coaches? Remember they low-balled 4 other candidates prior to landing on Frank. My gut tells me they’ll still let him go…but I’m far from 100% certain of it at this point. Too many odd, terrible choices have been made in the name of saving some money to be ignored.
- The rest of the team. Maybe keep Carmelo? Maybe, maybe keep Dwight? After that burn it down. Trade Nunn, if you can, maybe package him with THT for a player’s exception we can turn around and sign Monk and a real center with. No offense to the player who has the Bone Bruise That Will Not Heal but you need to go. I don’t honestly care what a 2 year old highlight reel shows you used to be able to do, I don’t believe you have heart anymore, that you’re willing to do the work needed to be a winner. So see the door Kendrick, if he opts in. I think he will based on how terribly this has all gone and how little money will be out there. Wenyan…not gonna lie, he shouldn’t be playing on a championship team. Has it been a fuzzy and warm story for this dismal campaign? Sure, and I always root for the under dogs. But we’re not trying to film the NBA version of The Mighty Ducks we’re trying to win. Does anyone really believe that WG is a rotational player on a winning team? I don’t see it. Since we’re likely keeping Stanley Johnson we have already checked the “plays with a high motor but can’t shoot well” box. We should learn from our mistakes of this season, that you need players who can do something other than take up space in order to compete in the NBA. All the aged vet minimums after anyone listed above should not be re-signed, I don’t care how chipper they are in the locker room.
Bonus point, for me, would be to fire Rob Pelinka who basically orchestrated this poorly run garage sale of an NBA team. I hold him to the fire more than anyone because it’s his job to evaluate and sign the best talent available and we didn’t do that. It’s his job to let the superstars know whey we’re not just going to do whatever they want and we didn’t do that. It’s his job to convince ownership that spending a little more on a player like Alex Caruso, who to be sure would not have been enough to make this season drastically different but when it comes down to a game or two he does swing that needle your way, is totally worth it. Rob failed every test presented to a GM of an elite sport franchise this season and should pay the exact same price Frank Vogel will. He won’t, and he should go to every mural of Kobe and Gigi in Los Angeles and the world beyond and thank them personally. I’m not sure anything other than his relationship with Kobe is saving him, to be honest.
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Why Rob Needs To Go:
2018: Waived Thomas Bryant, who became a productive starter after the Wizards claimed him off waivers. If a young, talented big who can shoot the ball doesn’t fit your plans, why not trade him?
2018: Revoked future All-Star Julius Randle’s qualifying offer to let him walk as an unrestricted free agent. Randle was the No. 7 pick in 2014.
2019: Traded Svi Mykhailiuk and a second-round pick to the Pistons for Reggie Bullock, who left as a free agent after the season. Two smaller assets gone to rent the services of a veteran shooter. L.A. didn’t even make a playoff run.
2019: Traded Ivica Zubac (and Michael Beasley) to the Clippers for Mike Muscala, who left as a free agent after the season. The Lakers wasted another quality draft pick (No. 32 in 2016), gave the Clippers a starter and haven’t had anyone as good at center.
2020: Traded Danny Green and a first-round pick to get Dennis Schroder, who left as a free agent after the season. It was a significant step as L.A. broke apart its championship defensive identity, and it also threw away a first-rounder.
2020: Traded JaVale McGee and a second-rounder to the Cavaliers for Alfonzo McKinnie and Jordan Bell (waived immediately) to make salary-cap room for Marc Gasol. After the season, McKinnie was waived, and Gasol was traded with a second-round pick and $250,000 to the Grizzlies. McGee is playing a valuable supporting role for the first-place Suns. Neither Gasol nor McKinnie is in the NBA. That journey cost two second-round picks.
2021: Traded Kyle Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Montrezl Harrell and a first-round pick for Russell Westbrook, which has been covered ad nauseam.The above is copied and pasted from a much longer and in-depth article about why we are where we are on the Bleacher Report website. Some of that happened while Magic was GM and Rob was his #2 but the pattern continued regardless.
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I’m with you 100% that Frank Vogel and Rob Pelinka need to be fired. Problem is who replaces them? Lakers will likely fire Vogel and let Pelinka decide on new coach and offseason moves.
That in a nutshell is the problem with the Lakers. They have an owner who won’t make the critical basketball decisions that good owners have to make, like what kind of a team do we want to build, what is our vision? Who do we hire to build a team that meets that vision?
Some things that seem obvious to me at this point:
1. GO BIG. Lakers need a modern stretch center like Myles Turner or Christian Wood that will allow them to play big or small. We need to be bigger, which means leaving AD at the 4 and LeBron at the 3. Top priority should be to trade for Turner or Wood. Trading chips are THT, KN, and 2027 and 2029 first round draft picks.
2. STARTING POWER. Lakers need three starters that complement LeBron and AD rather than a third superstar, who makes it difficult to fill out the rest of the starting lineup with enough shooting and defense. Right now, Monk and Reaves would be better fits coming off the bench. Lakers also need two new starters to go with Turner or Wood. Players like Wall and Gordon to go with Wood or Brogdon and Hield to go with Turner.
3. CONTINUITY. Lakers need continuity and stability, which means we consider bringing back LeBron, AD, Reaves, Monk, Johnson, Gabriel, Melo, DJ, and Dwight. That’s 9 players, giving the Lakers more returning players than any of the last three years. That also leaves 6 roster spots open for new players for whom THT, Nunn, and the picks provide us.
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I feel your pain Jamie, the thing about that list is, it didn’t even include all of the bone head moves that’s been made. Trading Dlo at the height of his trade value as a salary dump ranks up there as well. And to add insult to injury they didn’t retain Lopez who was willing to stay for 5mil. Then there is the matter of drafting Lonzo over Tatum, the league and Lakers scouting department favorite as best in the draft, only because Magic thought it would be a “great Hollywood story “ one can only imagine what we would have had left if we had Dlo, Randle, Tatum, BI and Kuzma when we traded for AD. We definitely would have had more left and we would be in better shape now. I’m pretty sure Rob is safe which is the same as saying we’re screwed. While I’m sure they will try hard to move Russ, there isn’t many realistic deals out there. I definitely wouldn’t trade for Wall. LeBron will play like LeBron until he hangs it up. You need a PG that can play off the ball and shoot. Dennis couldn’t adjust his game and Russ couldn’t either. Wall would be the same deal. A ball dominate PG that can’t shoot. It’s not a stretch to believe that keeping Russ would be better then trading for Wall. He is more than likely better than Wall is now.
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Great job, Jamie. Writing about Kyrie right now is insane because there are new takes every 5 minutes. I can’t even decide if I’m excited or scared to death about Kyrie coming. I have a half dozen half finished stories that had to be abandoned by new info LOL. Next couple of days are going to be a roller coaster.