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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
D Fish called this a quality loss on the post game show. And honestly, I agree. With all of the injuries for a team that is still learning to play together, you expect to lose some games. It’s how we have lost some of these games that was disturbing. Not tonight, tonight we played with energy that was missing against the Bulls. When I heard Middleton was back I thought it was going to be tough to win. Yet we had chance.
Our defense intensity was much better tonight.
Our lack of free throws is reaching conspiracy levels. AD didn’t get one foul call, even when he was hammered in what easily could have been a flagrant one. We lose this game on free throw discrepancy alone.
We missed our last 16 3 point shots. That’s unacceptable. We make four and we have a good shot of winning.
The Bucks did a good job of getting Giannis one on one against smaller players. We really needed to send help.
We didn’t have enough people diving with the court spaced. When did we got lay ups, we just didn’t do it enough.
Russ 15 assists 3 turnovers. That’s what we need from Russ.
I wonder what THT will look like when he shakes the rust off. 25 points and 12 boards. He is averaging 23 and is shooting 40% from 3. Plus he plays hard on both sides of the ball. And he’s still 20. Prediction. Sorry Tom but the Lakers aren’t going to trade him.
With a healthy LeBron we win tonight. we would win a series in 5 or 6 with a healthy squad.
I think if LeBron is back against the Celtics we go 4 and 1 on this trip.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
So what do the Lakers actually do at half time? Apparently not much. While it’s up to players to execute, it’s doesn’t appear by the way we come out that any adjustments are ever made. We are -89 in the 3rd. Worst in the league. Yes we have injuries, yes we are learning each other but there is no excuse for this.
Now sometimes guys just get hot. Derozen was unconscious. Not much you can do when a player is in that kind of zone. Lonzo also had a game well above what he usually brings. Levine got off to a hot start but we finally got a handle on him. There were a lot of contested shots that went in for the Bulls. It happens. The Bulls are last in 3 point makes so perhaps that was part of the strategy. But when the strategy isn’t working, you make adjustments. Unless your the Lakers. But a hot shooting night had nothing to do with our poor transition defense. That was just a lack of hustle.
The Bulls had a good strategy for AD and it messed with the entire rhythm of the offense. But again there was no counter in the first half at all. We kept trying the same thing over and over again. That is a recipe for disaster. They finally pulled out AD outside and he started doing some damage but we couldn’t stop the Bulls.
AD’s emotions got the better of him but on the flip side, the ref’s generally allow a player to put their shoe on before resuming play.
Silver linings? Few. Westbrook had a decent game but I still don’t like him shooting threes. THT had a strong night. He was 4 for 7 from 3 until a couple of forced what the hell 3’s in garbage time. Still 4 for 9 is good. If he keeps that up, he will be fine on the offensive side of the ball.
Again with all the injuries I can live with a loss if we play as hard as we can. That wasn’t the case again tonight. I’m hoping we get LeBron back soon. Perhaps he can figure it out, because it’s clear that our coaches can’t.
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Aloha, Michael. I have to agree with you that we have been outcoached last night just like we were against the Blazers. It’s ironic that Frank now wants to go small when we don’t have anybody with size to support AD other than Melo. If there ever was a time to play Dwight or DeAndre alongside AD, it’s right now with Ariza out. It’s like Frank wants AD at the five to fail.
This team needs LeBron James to play on this road trip. We’ve gone from small ball on steroids to AD and four guards. It’s a different kind of small ball where we depend on guards and not on LeBron and AD dominating their small ball defenders. We do not have the guards to play super small. We need LeBron back. We need him back tomorrow night.
I’m sure an elite defensive team like the Bucks have seen what the Blazers and Bulls did doubling and tripling AD. Now it’s time for Frank and hiz staff to show they can make the counters needed so that AD doesn’t spend the entire game surrounded and frustrated with the lack of spacing and the team’s ability to make their threes. We need to shoot the three well to beat teams. If we miss, we will lose like last night.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Now nice win, especially for an early start Sunday game. Just a few random thoughts.
THT looked really good on both sides of the ball. Offensively he looked a little rusty in the first half but looked sharp, attacking for 12 points in the 2nd. It’s going to be huge having him back.
Malik was also huge. The guy is not only a scorer but he creates for others. He has a great handle and can comfortably fill in at PG if needed.
Consider this, once Nunn comes back we will have 3 young players that can attack the rim. Wayne and Melo will feast on opens looks. Add LeBron and Westbrook’s ability to get in the paint and it’s going to be fun.
AD should be in the MVP conversation.
I don’t like playing Russ and Rondo at the same time. It leaves our back court defense vulnerable.
Considering we were playing a lot of the game with 4 guards and Ad a lot, we rebounded reasonably well.
14 turnovers was an improvement but Russ’s 7 turnovers is still to many. His style of plays lends itself to turnovers but there are still to many unforced, careless turnovers.
I think it was the right move not playing Bazemore. We will need him but his poor offense lately has obviously gotten into his head. He needs to step back and take a breath.
With THT back and LeBron probably back tomorrow or the next game, I think we will see AD starting going forward. Still wondering what that final starting lineup will look like.
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I forgot mention Wayne. After shooting 3 for 12 in his first 2 games, he’s shot 59% from 3 since. Honestly knowing how this offense goes, I don’t think Buddy would have brought more then Wayne has. Except at 20 mil instead of the vet min.
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The biggest benefit Buddy would have brought is no trade for Russ. And no, Wayne is not going to replace the 10 threes per game that Buddy will take. He’s averaging 10.8 3PA per game vs. Wayne’s 5.8. There’s a huge difference in the amount of attention teams will pay to Buddy vs. Wayne.
Takes Wayne and Malik together to match Buddy’s volume 3-point shooting. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lakers reconsider trading for Buddy at the deadline. They could trade THT, Nunn, and filler for Hield to start at the 2. Would solve much of their spacing issues to have a 39.5% 3-point shooter with 10.5 attempts per game.
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Tom you are assuming that Buddy would get 10. Looks a game in our offense, which he wouldn’t. Not when the Lakers have AD, LeBron and even Russ, eating first. Melo is playing the same amount of minutes as Buddy and is getting 6.5 shots a game. And he’s been our go to 3 point shooter. Wayne is getting his 5.7 in only 21 minutes. Buddy doesn’t start because he doesn’t play defense. Think Buddy would get a lot of run? Frank benched Monk a while back after 5 minutes because he wasn’t defending. While Wayne isn’t a great defender at least he makes the effort. And if you throw out Wayne’s first two games after injury he’s shooting 59% to Buddys 39%. Oh and they are not going to trade THT and Nunn for him. Two solid defenders who can score and attack the rim are much more valuable. If they want they can plug Ellington into the starting line up. He would offer the same threat as Buddy. He would get as many 3’s in our offense as Buddy would and at a better percentage, and he is a willing defender to boot.
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Michael H wrote a new post
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It was a great game, Michael, and yes, I loved seeing our role players launching and hitting critical threes all game long. What jumps out though is Russ and AD and the other players learning how to win without LeBron James. I believe Lakers are keeping LeBron out partly for Russ and Anthony to get this opportunity to learn how to win without him. That’s a weapon the Lakers want to have in their repertoire when the playoffs come.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
When you look at Portland’s line, 38% shooting 27% from 3 and out rebounded by 7 you would think we won. It’s just that we were way worse. Portland really tried to keep us in the game but we would have none of it.
AD looked off from the beginning but I thought it was the thumb but he was sick. The only good news was that he reported the thumb didn’t bother him much.
Once AD didn’t return, I didn’t think we would come back but I thought we at least see Russ and Melo lead a respectable effort. Melo was off which can happen but Westbrook’s effort was one of the worst I have ever seen from a superstar player.
I nearly turned the game off after 3 quarters which
I never do but I decided not to. I wanted to see our 2 way guys play. And I’m glad I did. Sekou looked promising. If there has been one constant over the years it’s our scouting department has been top. Notch. So when they sign a guy out of the blue over guys they brought to camp, I was curious. Hopefully he will develop into a useful player because we need a few cheap young players to develop. It’s hard to win when you turn the roster over every year since LeBron arrived.There was so much bad that it’s not even worth talking about. Besides Sekou the only other positives was Monk might have found his rhythm after not shooting well for a few games. It was also good that Ellington got some extended run. He wasn’t great but he needed to get out there and play after missing so much time.
My glass is still half full. Last night bumped into it, it teetered but didn’t spill. I will not worry too much until we actually have our team back and playing. I won’t really know what we have until that happens. But one big downside is we are 5 and 5 and this is the easiest stretch of the season and the way we have been playing, there isn’t any easy games coming up.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
So much for the new
defensive commitment. 70 first half points. Rockets only had 85 for the entire game on Sunday. -
Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
Better defense but it’s hard to keep teams from scoring when you commit 15 TURNOVERS in the. First half!!! 😡 -
Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
While most of the attention will go to AD and Russ, look at the starters
Russ +1
AD + 3
DJ + 4
Bazemore + 6
Monk + 31While Monk had 17 points 4 for 9 from 3 and 3 assists. That plus 31 shows that he was playing well on defense as well. Also a shout out to Reeves who was on the floor with a monk during that run that erased that 12 point deficit.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
One of the main arguments for adding a 3rd star will be tested tonight with LeBron sitting out. This could be problematic because a Pop coached team always plays smart and hard. The biggest issue is at the 3. We really only have Bazemore and perhaps Reeves in 3 guard sets. It will be interesting to see how the rotations work. I do know that we probably won’t see AD starting at the 5 tonight.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Just a few observations.
1 This was a quality win. I watched some of the Clippers game, and these guys are for real. I could see them making one of the top 6 seeds this year.
2. The energy was much better tonight. We needed it against these guys .
3. While we won the game, our starters lost. There are still a lot of kinks to work out.
4. Melo is going to win us a lot of games this year. While there a temptation to start him, I prefer him coming off the bench. He gives us something we haven’t had since LeBron arrived. A constant big time scorer running with the 2nd unit.
5. We really could have used Nunn tonight. While Bazemore is a very good defender, it’s asking a lot of him to stay with an ultra quick PG like Ja. he’s better suited to guard wings.
6. Reeves continues to impress.
7. Monk looked more like the guy we saw during preseason before he got hurt. 2 for 3 from 3, 12 points and 4 assists will get it done.
8. While Westbrook’s shot is still off, we saw his true value for this team as a playmaker tonight.
9. 12 block shots and over 50% from 3 is the kind of trends I like to see.
10. AD looked like the DPY tonight. Still, I would like to see him grab a few more board.
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Aloha, Michael…
1. Yes, a quality win against a quality team.
2. Consistent energy all game long.
3. Bench played better than starters.
4. Melo gives us an occasional Big Four.
5. Great point on defending point guards.
6. Reaves should start.
7. Like what I’m seeing from Monk.
8. Russ has to reduce turnovers – 9 is sick.
9. Great rim protection from entire roster.
10. AD closed this game with his D.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I was thinking, what if we didn’t make the trade and our roster looked like this:
Guards
Nunn
Ellington
Monk
Caruso
KCP
Rondo
ReevesGuard/Forward
THT
BazemoreForwards
LeBron
Kuz
Melo
ArizaCenters
AD
HowardWould we be a better team? Thoughts?
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In theory Trezz and not Dwight or Melo. I don’t know, we were gonna make a move after the second tier talents didn’t move the needle at all sans LeBron and AD. Not a one could figure out how to keep the team competitive as we freefell down the standings. Could not generate offense. Would bringing Rondo and Bradley back have not allowed that to happen or produce points more efficiently? I dunno…honestly, my only takeback would be Caruso and not signing Monk. AC knows how to play alongside LeBron and AD and would have figured it out next to Russ because that may be his best skill: being good next to better players.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
It’s very easy to see why we lost.
Free throws GH 25-30 83% Lakers 9-19 47%
Bench scoring Warriors 55-29
Rebounding 50 to 45 GS
Offensive 9- 5 GSDefense was poor as well. Giving up 121 points on a night that Steph had a poor shooting.
Hopefully we will get a few more healthy bodies back because our lack of depth really hurt.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
Well the preseason hasn’t been exactly smooth
so far. I’m not to concerned, I still think the Lakers will be the team to beat, but there is A LOT of work to do. Losing to a Warriors team without Steph and Green, when our big 3 played was not encouraging. When you add 11 new players to your roster there is bound to be a real long learning curve. The first year of the big 3 in Miami saw a team with 3 hall of famers get off to a 9-8 start. Fortunately we have a very favorable early schedule and should be able to pick up a lot of wins on sheer talent alone. If you recall last year we started fast with a lot of new faces but we also were winning ugly. I expect a lot of early ugly wins this year. Compounding our problems is injuries. We have lost 2 of our 4 small forwards. I suspect we will see LeBron at the 3 with Melo at the 4 until we get a little more depth back. I would love to see us sign Ennis to a non guaranteed deal. We would have until mid December to guarantee it. Ironically we were once a guard heavy squad, we currently only have 4 healthy guards. Fortunately both Monk and Nunn appear to be ready soon, possibly for opening night. You never know for sure. So it’s going to be a rocky start, even if we are winning, it may not be pretty for awhile.-
Aloha, Michael.
Great points. I’m also not concerned but do expect it to take a longer than expected for everything to jell. Some of that is also due to the injuries. Just hope it doesn’t turn into a constant thing like it did last year. We never got a chance to stablize the lineups and rotations.
We also filled the two-way with a prospect but I agree with you that we should at least bring in guys on a 10-day contract who might be able to give us some size on the wing until Ariza returns. I hope Monk and Nunn will be ready.
The injuries are going to hurt THT as Reaves could get his minutes. He’s one of those guys who plays better with better players. And he’s 6′ 5.” We’re going to need his size, D, and 3-point shooting. He’s a smart, savvy defender like Caruso, someone Frank can trust to be in the right spot.
I thnk we could see AD, LeBron, Bazemore, Reaves, and Russ as the starting lineup tomorrow night. I would not be surprised to see that wihat with all the injuries and how well Reaves fits. Not saying he’s going to start next Thursday but for the last preseason game, I think he’s earned the start.
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Good points, Buba. I expect Rondo to be the backup to Russ. He’s just too good to sit and there’s no way Nunn can run the offense the way Rajon can do. Just want him to make a little more effort on defense.
I love Reaves and think, as I said in the last Lakers Fast Break podcast, I think he could end up being a better NBA player than Alex Caruso. I’m hoping he gets a start tonight and wouldn’t be surprised if he earned regular rotation minutes in the season.
Dwight has also separated himself from DeAndre whom I hope DNP.
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Tom flip flops with the wind. One day he predicts 70 wins and a new NBA record for regular season excellence, the next he’s talking about time to gel. Too wishy-washy for me at times but at least he’s coming around to something resembling reality. Next, when the Lakers don’t always run 5-out sets, or shoot ridiculously well from three (which has been the case thus far) he’ll switch back to how this team wins with defense and the offense will be there when we need it. Being called chicken little by LT means it’s preseason and he’s still flying high on the Marc Stein newsletter from 2 months ago, lol.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
My biggest take away from this game was Malik Monk tossing his name into the starting SG spot conversation. Everything else was pretty typical first preseason game stuff.
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Malik certainly made a good case to start at the two. I think it will be either him or Wayne winning that job. Frank seems to be set on one of the two players to fill out the starting lineup will be a pure shooter and one a defender who can shoot.
Not so sure that’s the best way to go. I might opt for two shooters to start the game and two defenders who can shoot to close the game. Monk and Ellington to start and Ariza and Bazemore to close games might be a better use of our talent.
I think one thing I want to avoid is falling behind at the start of games, which seemed to be a constant failure last season. That’s why I think it might be smart to have to legitimate volume 3-point shooters in the starting lineup to insure we get off to a hot start.
I also like the idea of a ‘switch everything’ closing lineup, which would mean Ariza and Bazemore joining LeBron, AD, and Russ to close games. Starting with offense and closing with defense seems to make more common sense to me than trying to balance the shooting and defense, which results in not getting the best of either when it comes down to it.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
With LeBron and Russ not playing tomorrow, my eyes are going to be on THT. I’m interested in seeing what the team is seeing in him this off season. I read a lot of articles where he is mentioned. Media day both LeBron and Frank brought him up without being asked and a few other guys raved about him. He is still JUST 20, half the guys drafted in the first round this year are older. So there are plenty of growing pains ahead but he must be showing a lot if so many people are being so complimentary.
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Aloha, Michael.
Great post. I agree with you and Fish 100% that this was a quality loss. Great game by Russ and THT, who should be our starting backcourt once Ariza is back. Good to have another optimistic voice driving conversations on the blog. Thanks, Michael.
I’ve always said if THT can shoot 40% from three, he will become a Lakers superstar. It’s only 3 games but you have to love what we’ve seen. Love to be wrong and have Talen become untouchable rather than trade bait.
What we’re seeing from Russ and THT is incredibly exciting for the Lakers this season and long term. I thought Russ showed great restraint and excellent shot selection most of this game. He did a great job taking care of the ball with zero turnover the last three quarters.
Once we get LeBron back and replace Rondo, Bradley, and Bazemore with Nunn, THT, and Ariza, this team will look completely different. That’s what Lakers fans need to focus on, not the struggles we’re having without LeBron and several key rotation players.