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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Just saw a little tweet from Mark Stein that the Hornets might have interest in Russ. That’s surprising considering their need for a center. Looking at their Roster The often injured Hayward seems like the player they maybe interested in moving. He will have played less than 50 games each of the years with the Hornets. He has 2 years left at 39 mil after this year. They might look to move Scary Terry for the center they need, which Russ would fill his spot. Hayward is a good player when he can play. It will be interesting to see what they want to do. By the way Tom before you post a trade proposal, I doubt that Ball or Bridges will be part of the package. 🙂
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Feels like the expected haul for Russ is either oft-injured and streaky or broken and expensive. Hoping for something better but expecting about that level of impact.
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Lakers – Hornets Russell Westbrook Trade
Los Angeles Lakers trade Russell Westbrook and their 2027 first round draft pick to the Charlotte Hornets for Gordon Hayward and Kelly Oubre, Jr. Oubre becomes Lakers starting shooting guard and Hayward their starting small forward. pic.twitter.com/Kny5BGjERf
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) April 7, 2022
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Lakers and Hornets Westbrook Offseason Trade
Hornets take Westbrook's expiring contract and Lakers 2027 first round pick in exchange for $61.6M due Hayward next two years and $96.2M due Rozier next four years. Trade $157.4M in salaries for $47M. Save $110.4M over next 4 years. pic.twitter.com/73EK9uUv9e
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) April 7, 2022
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So the rumor mill says Charlotte is interested in Russ. If they have real interest would you do this deal if nothing better was on the table? Keep in mind as of this off-season each of these deals has 1 less year on them. pic.twitter.com/wre25i3ViB
— Laker Central (@LakerCentral365) April 7, 2022
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
When I heard that LeBron was out I knew that it would be hard to win. The teams played hard. Russ with the exception of free throws was great, and AD put in a gutty performance after he tweaked the foot. After watching how hard the team played, the reality of this season became clear. Even if all the injuries and Covid lost games remained the same, if we had played with this kind of energy and effort all season we wouldn’t be sweating the playoffs now. We just lost to many games because of lack of effort. In that sense we really don’t deserve to make the playoffs.
There is still hope, the Spurs could lose 3 of 4 and we could win out. And the Spurs do not have it easy either. But you kind of wonder what the point is. LeBron and AD will still be trying to play through energy. And the biggest issue with a top heavy squad is lack of depth to compensate for injuries. While I will watch and root for the guys, even if we get into the play in and somehow win 2 games, we won’t have enough to get past the Suns with a hobbled AD and LeBron.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
After watching last nights game, I’m not sure what we can do to turn the organization around for another run at a ring. Yes AD just got back and LeBron was playing hurt. Still looking at the big picture, I really don’t see any trades that can elevate us to contender status this summer, even with good health. Our assets are just to limited.
Is it time to move on from LeBron. Probably but I don’t see it happening. The biggest problem with LeBron is if we extend him he will be earning close to 50 mil moving forward. With AD the 2 will be earning around 95 mil. So even when Russ falls off the books it doesn’t leave a lot of room to build a solid supporting group. And LeBron has become a liability on the defensive end. It was telling when the Lakers were guarding BI with Russ. And when Russ sat AD guarded him. For those calling for a trade for another center, I ask you, who will guard the 3? LeBrons value on defense now is being able to sit back and play free safety. Frank had LeBron guarding the Least dangerous offensive player. But even Hayes back doored him for 2 layups.
Even the most optimistic trade scenarios will not make us better then the Suns, Griz, Warriors, Nuggets and the Clippers. Heck if they can stay healthy the Clippers might win it all next year.
So first I think we should not use a draft pick just to dump Russ. I would rather bring him back then waste an asset that will do nothing to improve our chance. As far as I’m concerned we should not trade any of our 1st round picks unless it can return a foundational player for the next several years.
I would also see what we could get for AD, that won’t happen either but he could replenish some assets that could help us rebuild in the future.
I think Russ probably would like to leave as much as we want him to. I would give him permission to hunt for a new deal. Even if it’s say 10 mil a year for 2 years. Perhaps he would agree to a buyout of 30 mil, that would be easier to stretch.
I guess I’m pessimistic but when looking at all the names you see that might be available. It wouldn’t be enough. John Wall is Westbrook without as much athleticism left. Gordon will be 34. He is hurt again but at least played 56 games. He managed a total of 56 over the previous 2 years. Wood, a decent PF but not a game changer. Brogdon and Buddy. Nice upgrade but not going to get us past some of the other teams.
My fear is we will make more dumb moves that will set us back even further. If we are lucky enough to keep Malik, we could continue to develop the young guys and then pick up a couple of non washed free agents, with health we could at least be competitive. Then we can see what we can do in free agency the following year. I would rather be decent with a future, than waste more of the future on a team that will not seriously contend.
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Aloha, Michael,
Most Lakers fans at this point have lost confidence in the Lakers’ ownership, front office, coaching staff, and players, including superstars LeBron James and Anthony Davis. It’s fun to imagine the Lakers selling the franchise to a billionaire who brings in an elite professional head of basketball operations, who establishes a vision for the organization and hires a proven head coach to execute it.
We all realistically know none of that is going to happen. Instead, Rob Pelinka is once again going to make the final decision after pushing and pulling from the rest of the Lakers stakeholders, including Kurt and Linda and Magic Johnson. The best we can hope for is Rob and all the other participants in the Westbrook decision now understand why it was a mistake to trade for Russ. We don’t need a third superstar. We need legitimate championship starting quality 3&D players with size to fit and complement superstars LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
I’m optimistic the Lakers will be successful moving Russ and our two first round draft picks for two or three upgrades to our starting lineup. Westbrook’s $47 million expiring contract is clearly a desirable trade asset for many NBA teams. The Pacers, Rockets, Knicks, and other NBA teams who want to move players on long-term contracts to save money and clear up cap space view Westbrook as a valuable financial opportunity to reduce future expenses and increase flexibility.
There’s no question LeBron is better suited to play the four than the three but I still believe the direction the Lakers should take this summer is to pursue Myles Turner or Christian Wood, modern centers who can shoot threes and block shots. It could very well work out that Turner plays the five, James the four, and Davis the three. We know Anthony can defend all five positions at all three levels. It would be in many ways a return to the roots that won us the championship but with the ability to play big or small on steroids with each position super-sized.
I’ve become convinced watching this Lakers team and the latest versions of LeBron and Anthony that we need to get bigger. Right now, the Lakers are too small at every single position. We won our 17th championship by being a big team playing a bruising bully-ball style of small-ball-on-steroids that overpowered opponents. I would like to see us return to that kind of roster construction this summer with a focus on trading for a modern center who stretches the floor on offense, protects the rim on defense, and allows us to go super big or small.
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Well Buba, Melo was sick. THT has been battling that ankle injury for a couple of weeks. He’s been in and out of the line up with it. As far as Reeves, I’m not sure. I know he’s been struggling a bit on both sides of the ball lately. I don’t know if it’s the rookie wall thing or what. Both LeBron and AD were gassed in the 4th. I would have liked to see them run something for Malik or DJ on that last play. Everyone in the building knew LeBron was going to get the ball. We basically have to win out now.. after the Blazers the spurs have the Nuggets, TWOLVES, Warriors and the Mavs. And they all have something to play for so the Spurs are not out of the woods either but they hold the tie breaker as well so we basically need to win out. Steph is out and CP3 probably won’t play either, so there is that I guess. It’s looking pretty bleak.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I’ve given up trying to figure this team out. From management, to the coaches to the players, nothing rarely makes sense. Just a few observations.
When the offense is humming the defense is generally better. LeBron had a great first half, but it was all within the flow of the offense. That flow stopped in the 2nd half, and the team reverted to LeBron ball. The ball stopped moving and the assists with it. One example Monk had 12 points in the first half but just one shot in the 3rd quarter. DJ hit a couple of 3’s in the first half, got one shot in the 2nd. And to make matters has sprained his ankle and hobbled through the rest of the game. Of course as usual, when the shots stopped falling so did the defense. We have seen it over and over again all season, still it surprises me. That’s my character flaw I guess. Just too optimistic.
Again the coaching seemed like they had money on the Pels. In what world do you take Dwight out and put LeBron on a true 7 footer with muscle and weight? If that wasn’t enough they put guards on inspector gadget AKA BI and let him into the paint to shoot over the undersized guards. He scored 7 points in less than 3 minutes which was the ball game. Our switch everything defense has been burned so many times it’s going to need skin graphs.
While Malik was off from 3 going 2 for 8 he is unlike some 3 point specialists like Buddy, he has plenty of other ways to get buckets. Why he’s not featured more , especially with AD down, I will never understand. With LeBron unlikely to play for a while they better come up with a game plan that will prominently feature him.
While I love the things that Austin brings to the game, I think if we are starting both Dwight and Gabriel, he should come off the bench. His inconsistent offense hurts more than his defense helps when we have a couple of other non scorers starting. I think Malik is the better choice. We only seem to win when we score a lot. LeBron and Russ are already defensive liabilities, yes I know LeBron makes some spectacular plays on D but he spectates more then he makes plays. We need another scorer.
Are we cooked? Probably. Even if AD makes a return soon, without LeBron against the teams we have left, it’s going to be nearly impossible to make the play in when you consider the cake walk that is the Spurs schedule. And Pop isn’t going to tank, especially if he can stick it to the Lakers.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I thought the effort tonight was good. The 76ers had their complete team while we were with out our star players again. Yet we didn’t back down. I’m really encouraged by the play of our young guys development. We only played 8 guys tonight. Most of our old vets sat, while the young players took over their roles.
For Russ it was a tale of 2 halves. He was terrible in the first half. 5 turnovers and 3 for 11 shooting help dig another hole but he helped dig us out in the 2nd.
Stanley had a great over all game. I was impressed with his defense when assigned to Harden. On offense 13 points and 8 assists on gave him a well rounded game.
I thought Dwight had an excellent game as well. Yes Embid hit his average of 30 but Dwight scored 24 himself on 6 less minutes. I would like to see Dwight get a little run, because he showed he still has a little gas left in the tank.
Malik and Melo outscored the entire 76ers bench 43 to 27. They were both really effective offensively.
I’m sure Gabriel will get a contract at some point before the playoffs so he can play. If Rob is smart he will do what he did with Stanley, and sign him with at least a player option for next year. This guy hustles and competes. Sometimes it takes longer for a player to develop. Gabriel was a 5 star recruit and ranked as the 14 best player in the country his senior year. I think he has a lot of upside.
What is interesting for me is we maybe building a quality supporting cast for next year. While Austin didn’t have a particularly good night he leads the team in plus minus and generally makes a impact. He we somehow keep Malik, along with Stanley, Gabriel, and probably Nunn, will have a few younger. THT will probably be traded but if not, I think he will be better next year as well. Now if we can just clamp down a little more on defense, we may make some noise if we make the playoffs.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
Im beginning to think that our tough closing schedule could be just exactly what this team needs. It seems lately like we get up for the good teams and let our guard down against the poor ones. Todays game was the opposite of the Wizards game. This 4th quarter the ball moved and everyone was involved and on the defensive end we locked in and shut them down. We out scored them 35-23. And the Cavs are a good young team that only gives up 104 a game.
There isn’t much left to say about LeBron. Too think he is in the running to win a scoring title at 37 is almost surreal. And he was more locked in on defense then I’ve seen him for a while. But it helps that Cleveland plays super big so he didn’t have to do a lot of chasing today. As for an overall game I actually thought this was a better in this pgame then his 50 pointers.
Frank made an ADJUSTMENT!!! After Garland has burned Austin and every other guard that drew him, Frank put Stanley on him and he shut Garland down he only scored 2 points on Stanley and I don’t believe he got an assist in the 4th. Plus they didn’t switch much and Stanley did a good job fighting through picks to stay in front of him. Stanley because he’s so strong often is slotted at the 4 or even the 5 but I sure would like to see him defending the perimeter more. He is our best perimeter defender. Stanley also scored all 12 of his points in the 4th.
Kids kids kids
One of the biggest reasons the team is playing better, is the young group are getting better. Austin, Malik, Gabriel and Stanley all played with energy, defended and chipped in on offense. Gabriel had another great game.I’ve always liked DJ. I have wanted the Lakers to sign him for a long time. He is just the a steady old fashion floor general with a really nice 3 point shot. He was huge tonight and he demonstrated that he can play off the ball when he’s out there with LeBron or Russ. Along with Melo, he is the other OG I want to bring back next year.
Has Russ finally figured it out? I sure hope so because we don’t stand a chance if he doesn’t. He has been really good offensively over the last several games. While he isn’t a a very good defender I’ve seen him at least hustling on the defensive end.
While Dwight didn’t get a lot of run I think it’s important to get him a few minutes just to keep him engaged.
For long stretches tonight we saw LeBron and the kids, and the kids delivered. The Cavs are a young group and have played well this year. But our kids went toe to toe with all of those high lottery draft picks. We are going to need that every night going forward.
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I’ve always liked playing against better teams when you need to get your game together to have to do it against better competition. Great teams always need great competition.
I loved how the team played tonight. The offense was elite, the balance between threes and points-in-the-paint was perfect. Just like against the Raptors and the first three quarters against the Wizards, the Lakers played like a team that could complete.
Wednesday’s game will be a challenge. Going to need Dwight to be better and the entire team to come out again and play like champions. We have now won 2 of 3 for first time since Feb 5.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
So much for turning it around. Will this team ever learn that it’s a 48 minute game?
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I became really steamed watching this game. Not because we played badly but because we competed with the kind of energy you need to win. They demonstrated that we can play hard. We would have many more wins if we had played with this kind of energy. We may not win but we should have been playing this way all year.
The last 3 games we had come out playing LeBron iso ball and if it wasn’t LeBron it was iso with Russ. When both LeBron and Russ got off to slow starts we got blown out in the 1st. Today bodies were moving and the ball was moving. We had 33 assists.
It’s no surprise that we shot the ball much better today. When the ball is moving and everyone is involved guys get into a rhythm of the game and the shots are in rhythm.
We started big today. I think the micro line ups we have been starting are okay as a change of pace but we have been getting killed inside. Dwight and Gabriel gave us the size to complete with the long Raptors. I think that Dwight should get more run for the rest of the year.
As for Gabriel, he was terrific. we need sign this kid this summer. I have been impressed with him since we signed him. He is long and plays with energy. He would give us another young player off the bench that we can develop.
Russ had one of his best games as a Laker. It would be great if he can gain some confidence for the rest of the year. I have thought all along that Russ didn’t need to be great, just good.
For me the best part of this game was that every single guy that played contributed. Let’s see if we can string a few of these kind of games together.
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LOL. I’m happy! I had the complete opposite reaction to tonight’s game, the great contributions early by Wenyen and late by Bradley plus the heroics by LeBron and the game tying steal and clutch three by Russ were all signs to me that the team was finally fighting through the malaise that had hung over them like a witch’s curse.
I love Lakers small ball because it’s stylistically small but sizewize it’s small ball on steroids. I hate the micro ball lineups where we are outsized at every position and doomed to lose the points in the paint and rebounds battle.
I was called for Frank to start Dwight and Wenyen two games ago and was thrilled to see that lineup last night. Not only did Wenyen shoot the three ball well but his defense and hustle along with Dwight’s allowed us to play real basketball for a change.
This was the season-cleansing game we needed. Russ’ redemption. Russ’ revenge. Great to see him get some flowers as a Laker. I thought he played great, getting into the paint but not forcing shots and hitting open cutters and shooters. This was winning basketball from Russell Westbrook. Could be too little too late or could be the spark this team needed to get hot.
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I think you missed my point Tom. Of course I was happy. I was angry because we rarely play with the energy we demonstrated tonight when we are capable of playing hard. We would have a much better record if we had played this hard all year.
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No, I got your point, Michael, and understand why you would feel that way. Not saying you weren’t happy. Why can’t we play like this every game? Of course, we’re all happy to see a win like last night. Wasn’t trying to infer that you weren’t happy. I just saw the win in a different light.
I haven’t bought in that the team didn’t care and that was why they were losing. To me, all the chaos, injuries, disappointment, and bad bounces had sapped the fire and heart out of this team. Every ball seemed to bounce in the other team’s favor. It was like the basketball gods were punishing us for trading for Russ. Tonight, it was like the curse was lifted.
Probably is just a brief hiatus in the horrors of this season but I think it could also be a turning point when the team suddenly starts to play at a much more consistent and higher level. At least that’s what I’m going to take into the next game. As an optimist, I know little things like Russ pulling out this win can turn into major moments. Just hoping that’s what happens with this game. It would be great to see and I feel it could change everything for Russ with the Lakers. This was HIS game!
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
There isn’t much to say about last night. The game was over after the first quarter. While LeBron recovered he and Russ were as much to blame for that ugly blow out 1st as anyone else on the team. And of course Frank was slow to react as usual by not bringing in Dwight when we were being destroyed inside.
All season it has been injuries as an excuse. And of course it’s true, still watching the Suns with key players out dismantle us made it clear that even if we would have hadn’t had the injuries we never were going to be a true contender this season. Sure we would have a better record, we more then likely would have been a top 6 seed, but we just would not stack up with the elite teams in the league.
This franchise has been mismanaged since Kobe’s last years. We gathered a lot of assets during our losing stretch. And while we landed AD, we pissed the rest away and it still haunts us. Then of course we totally dismantled a championship team in two years. While you always want to look to improve a championship team, you don’t completely tear it down. AD said we would have beat the Suns last year if he wasn’t hurt and I agree. But we had a much better team last year. This years version has a collection of aging minimum contract vets, that rarely get in the game. When you are playing a two way guy like Gabriel and a G leaguers signing like Stanley over Trevor or Bazemore it’s telling. Austin was undrafted but plays while Wayne sits. This team never was constructed to win. Even if Russ had played constantly well this year, we didn’t have enough.
So this summer will be huge for the franchise. If management gets it wrong we could be losing for a very long time. When you look at the west it’s going to be a daunting task for this team to complete next year. The Suns and the Warriors have pieces in place to win big next year. The Griz are ahead of schedule but have the cap space to add quality veteran role players and the pieces for a big trade if they choose to do so. Denver’s injury bug rivaled ours and they will be very good when healthy. And speaking of health the Clippers could be as good as anyone. Of course they are dealing with the Clippers curse. The basketball gods were not happy with them coming to LA and rain injuries down on them every time they field a contender.
Even if we pull off one of Tom’s wildest trades, I can’t see it making us a champion. Any moves we make will need to be for players we can build with. I really don’t want us bringing in anymore aging vets for a last desperate stab at a championship. Want to trade our 2 first rounders? Fine go get Grant. Don’t use them to dump Russ. I know it’s always written that you can’t waste Lebrons remaining years but if a trade isn’t going to help win a ring, add a piece or two and see what you can add the following year. We could easily be a bad team in 2017 and 2019. I would hate to spend those picks on guys like Wall and Gordon who isn’t going to move the needle enough to help us win. Guys like Brogdon and Buddy would give us a better foundation to add to but probably not a ring. Management completely forgot what what it takes to build a winner and blew it up for Russ. We can’t afford to make that kind of mistake again.
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Aloha, Michael,
Nights like last night are hard to handle for Lakers fans. Looked like a superstar and team that have given up on being able to win any games at this point. Just when you think this team has hit a new season low, they prove to you that they haven’t hit rock bottom yet. Just a terrible embarrassment for the Lakers.As the ultimate optimist, I had this game down as the last chance turning point for the season. Could the Lakers come together and beat the best team in the west. I had high hopes when we started out but then Russ took two ill-timed jumpers, which when bricked ignited fast breaks for the Suns and the rout was on.
You’re right that it’s not just injuries that have led to this dismal situation. I’m not even sure that it’s the roster below LeBron and AD that have been the problem. Frankly, there are more keepers on this roster besides LeBron and AD in Monk, Reaves, and Melo. The problem after those five, the talent fall-off is severe, and Monk and Reaves aren’t ready yet to be starters on a legit championship team.
It’s hard to defend the Lakers management, even back during Kobe’s last run. Getting LeBron and AD were huge as was the bubble championship. After that, however, the Lakers have shown a complete disdain for several key measures of a championship team. Namely, chemistry, continuity, and the power of size. I worry that we have not learned anything from the last two years.
We broke up rather than tweaked the championship team, understanding that we had an easy route and outlier shooting from a rested and healthy LeBron and AD. We went for more offense but Dennis was not the answer. Last offseason, we loaded up on vets who could shoot but not defend. Frankly, take away Klutch gifting us LeBron and AD and what has Rob done. Signing Monk was great but we were his only bidder. The Buss boys found Austin.
The problem to me is the different stakeholders on the Lakers. Jeanie and his inner circle of Kurt and Linda and Magic. Rich Paul and LeBron and Klutch. Then Frank and the coaches. And finally, Rob and his team in the front office. Rob must take charge and get everybody back on the same page or we will have a disastrous summer that could set us back for years. That’s really our only hope of surviving this summer. It’s all on Rob to get LeBron to sign an extension, get Jeanie to OK taking back multiple year salary to get better starters, and to pay whatever luxury taxes we need to build a championship team.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
Thinking about moves this summer, I’m wondering how much we can do with Russ and his expiring contract if he continues to struggle. Oh we can probably move him, using our 2 first rounders but I’m not so sure we can get enough value back to matter. The pipe dream of course is Brogdon and Buddy. While I will never say never after the trade the Trailblazers made with the Clippers, I will say it is highly unlikely. If Brogdon goes on the market, he will draw a lot of interest from other teams, especially the Knicks who can give the Pacers young players and picks. Just dumping Russ with picks would be a disaster.
So what is my ideal summer outcome, considering our limited assets? Well, the Pistons were asking for 2 first rounders for Grant. As soon as the season ends, I would contact the Pistons to see if they would consider the 2 picks and THT for Grant. THT has been up and down this year but has been trending more up than down lately and last night he looked like he has recovered from that nagging ankle sprain he’s been dealing with. If he continues to raise his level of play, the Pistons just might be interested.
At that point I would waive and stretch Russ. It would give of enough room to sign Malik. So in a way those two picks lands us both Grant and Malik. This would leave us with a starting line up of Reeves, Malik, LeBron, AD and Grant. As long as LeBron plays for the Lakers we don’t need a traditional ball dominate PG. That hasn’t worked yet, and won’t work in the future. Malik has shown enough playmaking ability to take the load off LeBron.
And remember we won a ring without a starting PG. Just 2 defensive minded shooting guards.We could have a bench of Nunn, who will probably opt in, Stanley, hopefully Melo, and perhaps Gabriel. With the tight money this year, there will be some talent that will float down to us. For instance, Damien Jones will be a free agent. He would be a nice get as a back up big. We just need a couple of guys that can contribute off the bench.
Is this a championship roster if we are healthy? Probably not. Still I think it is best the best we can do with the assets we have. Sure one can come up with trades on the trade machine but those don’t happen. I try to stay realistic. And with a couple of decent free agents and health, you never know. I actually like this better than a Brogdon/Buddy deal with the way Malik has been coming on. I think he has a lot of ceiling left. He also shoots the 3 like Buddy but makes plays and defends. Something Buddy doesn’t do. And Grant gives us a young defender with size, something we need much more than a PG in a LeBron centric offense. If we use our picks with the Pacers, Malik is likely gone. Malik and Grant are a better duo than Brogdon and Buddy.
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Good post, Michael. Ironically, I don’t think Russ’ play will have much impact. His value at this point is his expiring contract, not his game.
OPTION 3
I also am warming to the idea of using the picks to add rather remove players, which means using a buyout and then waive and stretch of Russ to be able to use the cap savings to pay Monk the full $10M MLE to keep him even though we would be hard capped. Then use the 2 picks to go after Jerami Grant, as you suggested.
Only issue would then be no point guard, although working with Klutch we might see John Wall work a buyout and sign with the Lakers for maybe the BAE to fill the point guard role.
PG – WALL
SG – MONK
SF – GRANT
PF – JAMES
CE – DAVIS…
OPTION 2
The perfect scenario for me is obviously still the Pacers. Lakers would give up both picks, Russ, THT, and Johnson for Turner, Hield, and Brogdon. No increase in salary or luxury taxes.
PG – BROGDON
SG – HIELD
SF – JAMES
PF – DAVIS
CE – TURNER…
OPTION 3
Other scenario where I would give up both picks would be if we could get the Rockets to give us Wood, Gordon, and Wall in return, which would require Jeanie to incur major luxury taxes.
PG – WALL
SG – MONK
SF – JAMES
PF – DAVIS
CE – WOOD…
At any rate, it clearly is going to be critical decision time for the Lakers front office. Just hope we can somehow avoid the chaos and dysfunction and make the right moves.
Pacers should be #1 target and Rockets #2 target to get three starters. If they don’t bite, then #3 is W&S Russ so we can pay and keep Monk and go for Grant with kitchen sink and both picks and hope Wall can work buyout and join Klutch/Lakers team.
Three very possible options that would work.
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There’s also an interesting dynamic surrounding the Rockets trade since John Wall is a Klutch client. First, it’s obvious the Lakers are through with Russ and his stubborn refusal to change his game. Second, both sides want to move forward with LeBron signing a two-year extension.
Committing to trading Russ and pieces and both picks to Houston for Wood, Gordon, and Wall could become the favorite option for the Lakers. They get a great starting lineup with a quality point guard in Wall, great two-way shooting guard in Gordon, and potential third star down the road in Wood.
I know you would prefer trading everything for Grant and then waiving and stretching Russ to keep Monk. I like that scenario too and Grant is a great fit. Still leaves us at least one and maybe two starters short. Hope Rob can pull something good off. We’re going to need it.
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If LeBron James decides that fellow Klutch Sports client John Wall could be a better fit and is willing to push extremely hard for Westbrook’s exit, the Lakers might consider a deal with the Houston Rockets.
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First Tom I do not believe we can get as much as you think we can. I view the Pacers deal as unlikely and I certainly do not believe they would throw Turner into the deal forTHT. Turner is 25 and fits with the other young players. They would now have to find a center. They made their choice and it was Turner. As for the need for a point guard, I don’t think we need one, at least a starter. LeBron ran the Heat. Wade adjusted to playing off the ball. Kyrie did the same. They both had the skill set to play more as a shooting guard. Wall doesn’t have that skill set. It would almost be like trading Russ for Russ. Wall is the same as Russ, a ball dominate guard that made his name with freakish athleticism. That’s gone. Like Russ, he can’t shoot either. .317 lifetime from 3 and he is not known for being a defender either. as far as Gordon, he is okay but he will be 34. i watched him, he wasn’t hurting us. it was the young guys that hurt us. as for Wood, that move require Lebron to defend the 3. This is where LeBron has aged. He cant defend the perimeter any more. Grant who is a much better player than Wood is a much better fit.
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i firmly belive that Monk right now is better than either Gordon or Wall. Gordon does shoot .408 from 3 to Maliks .399. Not a big deal. but Monk is much more Athletic, has a better handle, can make plays for others and is defending his ass off. Grant is a perfect fit at the 3. so there are your 2 to 3 starters. I would start, Reeves as the other guard. He would be the perfect glue guy. A strong defender that can do a little bit of everything. A starting line up of Monk, Reeves, Grant, AD and Lebron we be a stronger line up on both sides of the ball. Plus, Lebron would be the only starter over 30. and as we have seen this year, that matters.
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Aloha, Michael,
I’m a huge fan of Monk’s but …
(1) He’s not a point guard and we need a point guard to reduce load on Bron imo.
(2) He’s not anywhere near the defensive player or proven clutch shooter that Eric Gordon is.
That’s not to say we might be fine with Malik as our starting shooting guard. I would just prefer him as our 6th man killing off the bench.
Same with Reaves. He could start but we’re so much better if he comes off the bench.
Our problem right now is the bench sucks. That’s why we need three new starters so Monk and Reaves come off the bench.
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Even as an expiring I now question what return a Westbrook trade could yield. Better option for both parties might be a W&S. Russ can choose his next home and the Lakers get the tools they need toner-sign MM while creating an artificial spending ceiling.
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As much as we all hated seeing Deng in the salary list, there’s a good argument to use the 2 picks to add two starters rather than remove Russ. The bonus of being able to offer Monk the full MLE and being able to save luxury taxes could tilt us in this direction.
Need to first make sure we can’t end up with Turner, Hield, and Brogdon or Wood, Gordon, and Wall. I think both of those will be stronger and more versatile teams. Having said that, I would be happy if we could get Grant but we still need three starters.
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Hard to see Indy trading MT now since Sabonis was shipped. Feels like they want to build a team with him at the 5, Brogdon is a different topic but Indy would need to get a ‘Wow!’ offer to move Myles now. He’s still on a fairly cheap deal. Westbrook does nothing for them, as well. They got better guards already. They don’t do rebuilds and they don’t need cap space since no worthy FA signs there.
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We’ll see. The appeal of Westbrook for Indiana is getting out of over $100M in contracts for Russ’ expiring $47M. They were still taking offers for Turner after trading Sabonis. They’re not going to rebuild around him. Already did that and didn’t win. They may value two post-LeBron unprotected first round picks.
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They may. Likely will wait until the deadline next season when he’ll be expiring and can do a trade and extend or whatever. I’m not saying it’s impossible just unlikely. Team’s like Indy don’t need to work as hard as the Lakers to clear space, and again for whom? They’re not likely going to sign LaVine this summer or any other top tier free agent. I’m still a hard No on Wall unless he’s willing to conduct a private workout, maybe gets an MRI so the team can see what he truly has left. Players who need speed don’t age well, just look at Russ. Speed goes down just a tad and suddenly less lift, no blow by power, and so on. Honestly would rather just do a re-do on Russ then bring in Wall but would (sorta) trust the team’s judgement if Wall did a workout
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Last night was another example of how poorly this roster was assembled. It is a cautionary tale that illustrates how foolish it is to think you can get by with a lot 30 something minimum contracts vets with their best days way behind them. While most of the old guys sat and watched, the young guys scrapped and played with the energy it takes to win.
When Frank pulled Russ at the 8:30 mark in the 4th. We were up 4. Then we went on a run. DJ, who by the way I think was a good signing left a couple of minutes later and it was 4 young guys and LeBron closing out the game. Fortunately Russ never got back in.
Stanley, was signed from the G league Austin was undrafted, nobody but the Lakers offered Monk a contract, THT was a 2nd round pick and Gabriel who gave us some good minutes is a two way. By the way, I like Gabriel. They should consider giving him a contract this summer. He gives us size and switch ability we have been lacking.
This speaks to how great Jessie Buss and our scouting department is, and how poor of a job Rob has done filling out the roster.
Going forward we should win or lose with the Kids. They all make mistakes but they play the way you are supposed to play, hard. And I am seeing them developing synergy with LeBron. It gives me hope that perhaps we can have rotational young pieces in place for next year, so we don’t have to sign as many minimum probably old vets next year.
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Great post, Michael. I’m with you on the value of Malik, Austin, Talen, and Stanley. The only probem is they should be the next men up and not the guys closing out games with LeBron.
Giving the kids big minutes and roles for the rest of the regular season is the Lakers’ best chance of improving the team heading into the playoffs. LeBron and AD will have to be healthy and playing great. If they do and the kids can raise their games to another level over the next month, the Lakers may give their fans something to cheer about before the season is done. It’s still possible we can make the conference or NBA Finals.
If the Lakers can find two or three new starters next season by trading Russ and his expiring contract and picks and pieces, then imagine a bench with Monk, Reaves, and Johnson (Assuming THT and Nunn have to be traded for their $10M and $5M contracts).
That’s the pathway to the Lakers returning to being a legitimate contender. Three new starters is what the Lakers need to be a legitimate championship contender next season.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
Why do I even watch the games? On a night that Russ actually played well, LeBron had perhaps the worst triple double that I have seen in a very long time. And why did LeBron pass out of a game winning layup? While 4 blocks may look good on the stat sheet but he doesn’t play enough defense. He had a team high -17. Just so disappointing.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
After digesting another Laker loss, that easily could have been a win, I came up with 3 reasons Lakers lost. Hopefully they aren’t repeated today, especially if LeBron sits again.
1. So much for the “if Russ plays alone, he can be himself and lead the team “ theory. He had a miserable first quarter with 4 turnovers. His inept play helped build the Spurs lead. He was better in the middle but fell apart at the end going 1-6 in the 4th. 5-17 and 5 turnovers to 6 assists, won’t cut. 7-13 from the free throw line didn’t help. With or without LeBron he has to find a way to regain his confidence or even trading him for anything at all will be difficult this summer.
2. Franks inability to make the proper in game adjustments is simply mind boggling at times. He chose not to put Dwight back in when Pop inserted Poeitl back into the game. Pop exploited the mismatch and Poeitl destroyed us in the paint and on the glass. It was too much to ask of a Melo to ask him to check a player with that kind of size advantage. It literally won the game for the Spurs.
3. I’m not as concerned with this one as the other 2, but Melo and Malik our primary 3 point shooters went a combined 2-11 from 3. It happens, but our margin for error is razor thin and we can’t afford to have them both cold in the same game.
One more note. The officiating continues to be lopsided even with LeBron out. That no call on THT’s layup attempt was one of the worst missed calls I have seen this year. The guy wasn’t even close to the ball, hitting THT on the elbow. Of course the Spurs picked up the ball and hit a 3. A potential 5 point swing down the stretch of a close game. Unforgivable.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I almost didn’t watch tonight. It’s whale season here in the islands and they have been putting on a much better show than the Lakers in the early evening and I was tempted to go down to the ocean to watch. I am glad I didn’t.
What can you say about LeBron, obviously his best offensive game in a long time. But he’s going get all the well deserved headlines and stories so, I’m going to give a few shout outs to some of the other guys.
First Russ had one of his better games for a long time. Yes he had a couple of cringe worthy turnovers but he only had one missed lay up That I can recall. 20 points and he shot over 50%. He really picked his spots and used a lot of head fakes to get points in the paint. He needs to play this way every game. Not only for us to win but to recover some of his value.
Our +|- champs both had excellent games. Monk was a +19 and Austin was a +18. Malik shot the 3 well but he also had a team high 5 assists. He improves on defense by the game. He had a block and 3 steals. That steal he had on that on the out of bounds play was spectacular. He just skied. His athleticism has been the biggest surprise for me this year.
Austin is the hardest working guy on the floor. He just doesn’t back down from anyone, regardless of who it is. 2 blocks, 3 steals, 10 points 3 for 5 from 3. He just gives 100% all the time.
Stanley also is another guy that plays hard every minute. 6 boards, 4 assists, a block and 2 steals and the ability to stay in front of 1 through 5.
Those 3 guys bring the energy every night and I just hope they continue to get the minutes. There was one play down the stretch. Missed shot, Malik mange’s to tap the ball and Austin flys in to grab the board, finds LeBron who drives and kicks to Melo for the dagger 3. Melo gets credit for dagger but it was Malik and Austin’s hustle that made it possible. It’s the kids that will really decides how the season will end if they are given the chance.
Finally Melo is just steady. But he is in there to score but I’ve been surprised by his defense. He’s had some good defensive moments and
He rebounds as well. 8 tonight.So believe it or not, I’m worried about the next 2 against the Rockets and Spurs. It’s almost better if we were playing good teams. Hopefully they will play with the same desperations that they did tonight.
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thanks Buba, these are wild humpback whales that migrate to Hawaii from Alaska every year in the winter. Seems like everyone winters in Hawaii. They come into this cove and you can watch them from the shore. Last night I saw five or 6 pretty spectacular breaches. Think Malik’s is athletic? Those guys pulling all those tons completely out of the water is pretty amazing.
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Great points about Monk and Reaves. While Malik is the offensive wiz, he’s showing he can also make plays on defense with his hops and athleticism. While Austin is the defensive wiz, he’s showing that, like Monk, he’s really a well-balanced player who can impact the game on both ends. Going to be hard to move these two Arkansas kids from the Lakers’ starting lineup.
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Aloha, Michael,
A lot of the interest in Russ is also interest in a potentially unprotected post-LeBron first round draft pick. We saw at the trade deadline that every deal the Lakers were discussing fell through because we would not give up the pick. We can expect that same attitude this summer. Truth is, after watching the Lakers pick projected to end up in top-ten, there will be a lot of interest in potentially unprotected post-LeBron Lakers’ first round draft picks.
We both agree the Lakers should generally use their picks to acquire the right players rather than getting rid of the wrong ones, meaning Russ. The Lakers best option is to trade Russ and the two picks for three quality rotation players like Turner, Brogdon, and McConnell from the Pacers or Rose, Randle, and Reddish from the Knicks. Those are the kinds of trades the Lakers are hoping they can put together this summer. 1-on-1 trades to turn Russ into three rotation players.
If they can’t find a team with three acceptable rotation players, then they can spit the picks up and do two deals for one or two rotation players. The Hornets could be one of those one-pick deals. A trade of Russ and a pick for Hayward and Oubre would be good deal for the Lakers, giving them two desperately needed bigger 3&D wings and still leaving them with a pick to use in a Horton-Tucker and Nunn trade, maybe for a stretch five center like Kelly Olynyk or Cam Reddish. Bottom line, Lakers would be able to get a trio like Hayward, Oubre, and Olynyk or Reddish would be a terrific yield for Russ, 2 picks, and THT and Nunn.