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    Aloha,

    The Suns have matched Aytons offer sheet so it appears he sticking around for a while. He can’t be traded until January 15th and he can veto a trade for a full year. That is going to really hurt the Suns ability to chase KD. Perhaps they gave up on that.

    Not sure what the Pacers do with Turner. The Pacers stated goal was to be competitive while building which Ayton at 23 fit perfectly. But Turner is only 26 so it’s not far fetched that might hold onto him. The Raptors were trying to trade for Turner and they have the forwards that would interest the Pacers. But again if they want to stay competitive they would be better served holding onto Turner. Then they could revisit Ayton after January 15th.

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    Aloha,

    The Suns have matched Aytons offer sheet so it appears he sticking around for a while. He can’t be traded until January 15th and he can veto a trade for a full year. That is going to really hurt the Suns ability to chase KD. Perhaps they gave up on that.

    Not sure what the Pacers do with Turner. The Pacers stated goal was to be competitive while building which Ayton at 23 fit perfectly. But Turner is only 26 so it’s not far fetched that might hold onto him. The Raptors were trying to trade for Turner and they have the forwards that would interest the Pacers. But again if they want to stay competitive they would be better served holding onto Turner. Then they could revisit Ayton after January 15th.

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    • While we nine of us know what inner machinations teams are engaged in on the surface this would seem to all but take the Sun out of the mix for Durant. Unless they’re planning on making an offer of Bridges/Crawford and whatever else they can wrangle, maybe from a multi-team angle but they just had the biggest chunk of change in one guy they could ina Durant deal taken off the board until 1/15, at the earliest. As noted below Ayton now cannot be traded to Indy and Ayton has veto rights for a year. With more movement on the Ayton front than Durant we are entering the phase in free agency where age is a big factor. Who is emptying the cupboard for KD? Teams can start to tighten the offer up now, no need to throw the kitchen sink into the deal if there are fewer bidders. Makes the Nets holding the line a little more likely now.

      • I don’t know, Jamie. I think KD getting put on hold may open up opportunities for the Nets to resolve the Kyrie situation. If there’s no deal before the summer league ends, we could be in for a long slow summer before things get resolved.

        I guess this also leaves Turner on the trading block, probably even unhappier now with Indiana. Lakers should see if Russ, THT, and two unprotected picks would get them Myles, Buddy, and T.J.

        • You know I would love Myles on the team, Buddy would of course be of aid in the shooting dept. I far prefer both to KI in every way possible. But especially with LA county about to bring back indoor restrictions. Bringing Kyrie here really doesn’t make a lot sense with COVID being what it still is, he needs to play in a state that won’t close back down come hell or high water. New York and Cali are just going to end up costing him money and the team a chance to gel.

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    The big question with Ayton is, has he actually put pen to paper. Or did the Pacer announce his intention. If he hasn’t actually signed then a sign and trade can still happen. If he has signed, and the Suns match then they can’t trade Ayton until January 15th. Either way this probably eliminates the Suns from the KD sweepstakes until January. The Pacers must have some confidence since they just let 4 players go for cap space.

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    Aloha

    The big question with Ayton is, has he actually put pen to paper. Or did the Pacer announce his intention. If he hasn’t actually signed then a sign and trade can still happen. If he has signed, and the Suns match then they can’t trade Ayton until January 15th. Either way this probably eliminates the Suns from the KD sweepstakes until January. The Pacers must have some confidence since they just let 4 players go for cap space.

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    • Sounds like Phoenix will match but nothing’s certain yet. Indy walking the line between tank and compete, really this was the only move they had left to improve the team while still building up a youth movement. So, while this may signal an ever-shrinking window for Durant and Kyrie finding new homes I think it would re-open the door to an Indy trade. Only question being do the Pacers want to see what Ayton and Myles and Buddy can do or just hit reset now.

      That’s the thing with this whole Russ situation, it’s not the biggest loss if you don’t make the deal for everyone but LA. Indy watches Russ get traded to another team? No big deal, we were just gonna buy him out anyway and we still got lots of tradeable players from now until the deadline should things break poorly (or well).

      San Antonio sees Russ traded to Charlotte or some such local? Cool, we knew that deal was either going to find another sucker, er, home. There is not one team that is doing the Russ deal because they want him to play. That is the biggest hurdle, you’re trading at a loss off the bat.

      Also everyone knows that deal for Russ will be on the table all year long right up until the deadline passes. Other teams not named the Los Angeles Lakers have both the luxury of time and the knowledge that if the deal isn’t made by anyone else this summer it’ll be there. Waiting.

      • Just read that the 48 he clock doesn’t start to tick until midnight. They can still work a sign and trade today. It should be interesting to see if they really want Ayton on the roster until January.

        • It’s a problem for Phoenix to match because it will throw them into the luxury tax although they would have time to make moves after Jan 15 to trade him or reduce payroll. Hard to imagine the Suns losing Ayton for nothing. Smart move would be to match and then trade him later. Can’t lose him for nothing.

          Problem though is sign-and-trades have to be agreed to by Ayton and the Pacers. Why would either want to help the Suns? Why would they want to give up players they don’t have to? They cleared the space and could very well decide that’s it. They’re done. Ayton takes up their cap.

          Of course, the Pacers can now trade Turner for something, maybe like the two unprotected draft picks from the Lakers for Turner and Hield. Be interesting to see if a S&T emerges before midnight. My guess is the Pacers and Ayton aren’t interested, which opens a door for the Lakers to talk to the Pacers.

          • I’m pretty sure that Ayton and the Pacers will agree to a sign and trade. That’s what the Pacers originally was trying to do.They just got tired of waiting per the reports.

            • Why would they agree to a sign-and-trade? Why do they want to send players to Suns? They can get picks for Turner and Hield, who would have to be included in S&T to match salaries. Unless Suns want to drop a bunch of picks on them, doesn’t make sense.

          • Tom again the reports from Windhorst said they were trying to do a sign and trade with Turner. Going to the Suns. They want Ayton. And they know that the Suns won’t let him walk for nothing. The sign and trade is they’re best chance at landing Ayton. They may even sweeten the deal with one of their 3 first rounders next year. It wouldn’t have made sense to have him sign an offer sheet when they knew that wouldn’t work.

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    We might actually have some movement. Andre Ayton just signed an offer sheet from the Pacers. The Suns have 48 hours to match or lose him for nothing. The most logical step now is a sign and trade for Turner. I actually like Turner better. But it could impact the Suns pursuit of a KD trade. They really needed Aytons salary for matching. Perhaps the Pacers send Buddy as well. Salaries line up. But they probably want to keep him for another move.

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    We might actually have some movement. Andre Ayton just signed an offer sheet from the Pacers. The Suns have 48 hours to match or lose him for nothing. The most logical step now is a sign and trade for Turner. I actually like Turner better. But it could impact the Suns pursuit of a KD trade. They really needed Aytons salary for matching. Perhaps the Pacers send Buddy as well. Salaries line up. But they probably want to keep him for another move.

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    Aloha,

    Just some random thoughts.

    Jerry West said he doesn’t think KD will be traded because no team can afford to pay enough. This makes sense, even if the Nets lower the asking price a little a team would have to give up so much you wonder if they would actually be better after the trade.

    KD and Mitchell has slowed the trade season down so much, that if one more star came on the market we might not see any deals until Christmas.

    We finally signed Max Christy. I was wondering about that. It brings the squad up to 14. I thought for awhile they might trade his rights. Kyrie will require 2 players coming back to the Lakers. If the trade happens it will be interesting to see how the open another slot.

    Absolutely no THT trade rumors this summer. That’s not surprising given his opt out option on his contract next year.

    I was waiting for it and I finally saw one. A KD for LeBron proposal. It’s funny because the justification made sense. LeBron is a great fit with the Nets with all their shooting, while KD can play with Westbrook. Of course it will never happen but it kind of made sense.

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    Aloha,

    Just some random thoughts.

    Jerry West said he doesn’t think KD will be traded because no team can afford to pay enough. This makes sense, even if the Nets lower the asking price a little a team would have to give up so much you wonder if they would actually be better after the trade.

    KD and Mitchell has slowed the trade season down so much, that if one more star came on the market we might not see any deals until Christmas.

    We finally signed Max Christy. I was wondering about that. It brings the squad up to 14. I thought for awhile they might trade his rights. Kyrie will require 2 players coming back to the Lakers. If the trade happens it will be interesting to see how the open another slot.

    Absolutely no THT trade rumors this summer. That’s not surprising given his opt out option on his contract next year.

    I was waiting for it and I finally saw one. A KD for LeBron proposal. It’s funny because the justification made sense. LeBron is a great fit with the Nets with all their shooting, while KD can play with Westbrook. Of course it will never happen but it kind of made sense.

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    Perhaps there will not be a trade.

    Aloha,

    While I still believe that there will probably be a Kyrie trade, there is an alternative narrative in which it doesn’t happen. And it has nothing to do with the Lakers.

    First I don’t think the Nets want to trade KD. I agree with Jamie that they maybe borrowing from the Lakers playbook when Kobe wanted out. The Lakers shopped Kobe asking a kings ransom in return. When nothing materialized, it was sorry Kobe we tried. KD said the Suns were his preferred destination so the Nets asked for Booker in return, knowing that there was absolutely no way that the Suns would do that. Now you could say it was just posturing for negotiating purposes but the Suns counter was built around a sign and trade for Ayton. With the Pacers set to offer a contract to Ayton, the Suns will have 48 hours to either sign and trade him, sign and keep him until December 15 or let him walk. They won’t do the latter. If the Nets were actually interested in the Suns counter they would jump in now. They have told the league they want two all stars. Most of the do not have two. Just leads me to believe that KD will play for the Nets. With a 4 year contract he doesn’t have any leverage.

    When brings us to the Kyrie situation. The narrative of course is the Nets want him out. Which is not the case. There were extension talks. They couldn’t come to an agreement, for dollars or years or perhaps both. That is when Kyrie asked for a trade. He opted in realizing that it was the only way a trade could happen. Now the Nets have made moves to become more competitive. They traded a 1st for Royce O’Neil and gambled on TJ Warren. These are not the moves of a rebuilding team. What if they look at the roster and think, we have a chance. A chance to win a ring now is much more valuable then distant draft picks, even knowing that he could walk for nothing at the end of the year. Besides they know that the Laker option is there if things implode. KD and Kyrie are best friends. KD only wanted to leave because of Kyrie. KD might lean on him to play out his contract.

    Like I said I still think it’s greater then 50/50 that a trade happens but I would hardly be surprised if it didn’t.

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    • Yep. Been tooting this horn for awhile and not just because it’s an “easy” or “lazy” notion. I think it’s just as easy to throw every trade proposal that comes along up and give it it’s due even if said proposal is basically all geared to benefit the Lakers…which many, many of these proposals have been. Hearing that Utah is taking calls on Mitchell further complicates any and all efforts for the two teams with players on massive deals but few draft assets in hand to grease the wheels.

      The doors are going to start closing for a Durant trade as teams have probably put their best, or fairly close to it, offers on the table. The Nets aren’t getting Booker or Bam. They either need to choose moving Durant for a lesser haul than what Gobert was traded for or hold onto him and see if something shakes loose after December 15 when all deals become trade worthy. teams won’t wait forever and most of the ones interested in KD will at least kick the Spyda tires with Utah to see what the ask is and how they feel about it.

      The fact is teams looking to rebuild don’t prioritize cap space these days, they want draft picks and they want them soon. Neither Brooklyn or LA has that kind of cachet, all they have is players entering their twilight, often with injury or other kinds of availability issues. It’s not just my world that kind of deal doesn’t rock, it’s every GM in the NBA who sees those deals. Hence the “meh” reaction we’re seeing.

      Durant isn’t a player on the rise, neither is Kyrie (when he chooses to play) and neither is Russ. If you’re in win-now mode you probably don’t mind the idea of adding Durant but not at the cost of the rest of the roster that you built to get to win-now mode. Only two teams went too far down the “Super Stars or Bust!” road: LA and Brooklyn. The rest of the Association has better balanced growth of role-players and , in some cases, future superstars, competitiveness in general, and their cap situation. Brooklyn went all in on a trio that barely played together, LA the same.

      For the Nets they’re down to a duo + Ben Simmons and whatever he ends being able to provide. Be interesting to see if he comes back from a year off with any substantiated changes to his overall game. For the Lakers they’re going all in on a trio of some kind or another and I’m calling Russ on the roster to start the season and it’s 50/50 he’s on it come next summer. The one thing both of those teams are lacking is the kind of grease needed to make big moves in the current trade climate. Draft picks within the next 2 seasons. Brooklyn’s are mostly tied up through a variety of swap options or outright trades already, most of those for Harden…who is now gone. LA gave theirs away for players no longer on the roster or for AD.

      Yes, rebuilding teams like cap space, all teams do. But they’re not pushing up against the apron and are generally looking to move 8-15 mil deals and not 2 or 3 of them. It’s why I see the smaller trades as being the more likely. Too much cap space, especially when measured against what free agents are coming onto the market as unrestricted for the next two seasons, is just a challenge on how not to overpay a decent role-player. They want picks and they want them now and they want them unprotected.

      None of those conditions are favorable to LA or Brooklyn. Neither is the sheer volume of money both teams would like to move. A trade is possible, all things are. I just see it as being less and less probable the more things settle down. It’s why I think, if they are serious about trading Russ (which, frankly, has become hard for me to buy since they’ve added all this internal obstacles to make it feasible) they need to work the Pacer angle and they need to work it quick.

      • Not sure why Michael and Jaime continue to believe the Lakers won’t trade Russ or why they’re so persistent despite the pundits and odds makers still believing L.A. will trade Russ to Brooklyn for Kyrie.

        Do they really believe the Lakers would be better off keeping Russ? Or that we would be worse off getting Kyrie? Or do they just want to be right? Wonder if they’re hoping for the same thing as me on Twitter? Hard to be objective when you’re so invested in a position.

        Frankly, it’s hard to imagine Russ returning to the Lakers or Kyrie to the Nets at this point in time. I think both of those ships have sailed and there truly is nowhere for either of them to go. That’s the bed they’ve each dugged and only a trade will save the Lakers and Nets.

        It’s not hard to imagine the Nets wanting to rediscuss reuniting with KD though or even with him deciding to stay. The problem is the same the Lakers will find if they were to trade LeBron. KD is a 34-year old superstar who’s averaged 30 games per year over the last three years. He has four years left on his contract.

        If he’s not happy, KD’s going to demand to be traded but will become harder and harder to trade. If he’s not healthy, he could set you back a couple of years.

        And it’s true you can say the same about Kyrie. I’m no fan of the man but a grudging fan of the player and his fit on the Lakers where LeBron James is still the unquestioned King.

        Kyrie is a gift from the basketball gods to takes us out of Westbrook purgatory and into Irving Heaven, if you can imagine that. Knowing Kyrie, it could also be Irving Hell.

        Kyrie’s a devil but hopefully, he’ll be our devil.

        • Where did I say I didn’t think they would trade for Kyrie Tom? I began the post and ended the Post with they probably will. Seriously point it out where I said that they won’t. I simply stated complications that could arise. Try reading completely before putting words in someone’s mouth.

          • I even posted how I thought Russ would be a better fit with the Nets then he was with the Lakers. I have commented on several occasions that I like Harris coming instead of Curry but suddenly I’m always saying there isn’t going to be a trade? Geez.

          • I guess I got confused by the title “Perhaps There Will Not Be A Trade” or the “greater then 50/50” odds comment. My bad.

            • There isn’t going to be a trade…that involves the Lakers. The guy talking about objectivity is the same one who stands on sand, shifts with the winds and takes any clickbait article in support of what he’d like to see as proof positive. That’s not objectivity, that’s confirmation bias lol.

              Anyhow, you consistently see what I think will happen as what I want to happen. In life, what I want to happen rarely (if ever) happens and almost never in totality.

              I’d like to see the Lakers move Russ for Turner and Heild. I don’t think the Pacers will make that deal. So, if everything informing my opinion (and these are alllllllll opinions here) tells me that what I want to happen won’t happen what is the use building myself (and potnetially others) up of a fairy tale fantasy with nary a hope of it becoming reality?

              I don’t want my Dr telling me that I’m gonna live if it’s more likely I’m going to die. Odds against me don’t matter, just another obstacle to overcome. But I’m wired in a way that if things look sunny and rosey I ease up. So I don’t ease up, keep the pressure on and embrace reality. Not pessimism, not a glass half empty and objective reality. 😉

    • That’s where I’m getting to, as well, John.

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    It seems that KD has slowed the league down to a near stand still. But it appears that the Pacers are ready to rock the boat. From another little blurb I read this morning with the Brogdon trade now officially complete giving the Pacer more cap space, they are preparing to extend a near max offer sheet to Deandre Ayton. This really will mess with the Suns attempt to trade for KD. He is a major piece of their offer but apparently the Nets are not that impressed. The Suns can’t let him walk for sure. So do they restart the talks they were having for Miles Turner before the KD bombshell? And how do the Nets feel about Miles Turner? As for Ayton, the Pacers are about the only team that has the cap space to offer him a large contract.

    So many moving parts here. The earlier reports that the Nets will wait on Kyrie until the KD situation is resolved appears to be true. But one wonders when that will be. I honestly don’t see the Nets trading him at this point simply because of their asking price. KD is under contract for 4 years so they really don’t need to do anything. But they do have to decide something soon or not. After summer league, it’s usually the slowest time of the year in the NBA. With the KD road block in place it maybe even slower than usual.

    Appearing on Friday’s episode of Get Up, Windhorst discussed the possibility of the Pacers giving restricted free agent Deandre Ayton an offer sheet, or potentially adding him in a sign-and-trade that could send center Myles Turner to the Suns. Unfortunately for Indiana, however, Phoenix currently remains at the forefront of the KD sweepstakes after the 12-time All-Star listed the club as one of his preferred landing spots.
    “The Indiana Pacers are seriously considering giving him an offer sheet. They’re also interested in a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns, potentially involving Myles Turner,” Windhorst said. “But holding everything up is the Suns’ negotiations for Kevin Durant, which are probably not going to end soon and Ayton may have to move on and do his own deal.”

    All trades effect the Lakers

    Aloha

    It seems that KD has slowed the league down to a near stand still. But it appears that the Pacers are ready to rock the boat. From another little blurb I read this morning with the Brogdon trade now officially complete giving the Pacer more cap space, they are preparing to extend a near max offer sheet to Deandre Ayton. This really will mess with the Suns attempt to trade for KD. He is a major piece of their offer but apparently the Nets are not that impressed. The Suns can’t let him walk for sure. So do they restart the talks they were having for Miles Turner before the KD bombshell? And how do the Nets feel about Miles Turner? As for Ayton, the Pacers are about the only team that has the cap space to offer him a large contract.

    So many moving parts here. The earlier reports that the Nets will wait on Kyrie until the KD situation is resolved appears to be true. But one wonders when that will be. I honestly don’t see the Nets trading him at this point simply because of their asking price. KD is under contract for 4 years so they really don’t need to do anything. But they do have to decide something soon or not. After summer league, it’s usually the slowest time of the year in the NBA. With the KD road block in place it maybe even slower than usual.

    Appearing on Friday’s episode of Get Up, Windhorst discussed the possibility of the Pacers giving restricted free agent Deandre Ayton an offer sheet, or potentially adding him in a sign-and-trade that could send center Myles Turner to the Suns. Unfortunately for Indiana, however, Phoenix currently remains at the forefront of the KD sweepstakes after the 12-time All-Star listed the club as one of his preferred landing spots.
    “The Indiana Pacers are seriously considering giving him an offer sheet. They’re also interested in a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns, potentially involving Myles Turner,” Windhorst said. “But holding everything up is the Suns’ negotiations for Kevin Durant, which are probably not going to end soon and Ayton may have to move on and do his own deal.”

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    • Just another reason I can see the Nets holding the line and not moving Durant for chopped liver and spare parts. A sign and trade for both Phoenix and Indy makes sense. Indy could care less about hard-capping themselves and Phoenix can bring in Turner who is arguably as good, if not a better fit, for what they want to do. Ayton is going to be a great center in this league, tons of upside, but he’s not what Phoenix needs in this exact moment. Frankly, neither is Durant at the current asking price. He isn’t an elite defender and they have scorers at all positions. Elite scorers? No, but ones who know the role they need to play.

      If I’m Indy I make a courtesy call to the Suns and say that they are going to give DA an offer sheet and would you like to do a S&T instead, otherwise drop the offer and let the Suns scramble. Phoenix will probably choose the S&T route since it could then feasibly come back to a Durant deal on down the line just without a S&T for Ayton as the centerpiece.

      We’re entering a phase in the NBA where teams are bumping up against taxes and the cap when trying to assemble a winner. Having three dudes on max deals isn’t an intelligent way to win. Honestly, it’s rare that it works at all. It’s why I never feared the Nets one iota, all flash and no substance doesn’t get you far in the playoffs. Fun for the regular season, admittedly, but that’s just the appetizer.

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    Of all the trade proposals we have endured since April, the Kyrie deal is the only one I have thought could actually happen. KD and his trade request certainly slowed the progress of negotiations but I’m now thinking if the Nets can’t find a trade partner, Russ would not be terrible for the Nets.

    For starters, KD and LeBron are different players. LeBron has always been the pseudo PG for ever team he’s played for while KD has played off the ball at every stop. He fits much better with a ball dominate PG and he’s played with Russ.

    Then there is the issue of spacing. The Lakers didn’t have any. Russ would often be met by several defenders that resulted in some truly awful decisions. The Nets have KD and Paddy Mills. They will have either Curry or Joe Harris and they just signed TJ Warren. All of those guys will space the floor for Russ to do what he does best, attack.

    In a way the Kyrie trade makes more sense for the Nets if KD stays then goes. All they get in Russ if KD leaves is a distant pick and cap relief if Harris is included. If KD stays Russ may actually help them win.

    But here is the interesting question. Why did KD ask out? Was it because he is tight with Kyrie? Or was it because of the trade speculation for Russ. Russ and KD’s partnership didn’t end well. That makes me wonder if that is playing a part in this drama.

    Russ and the Nets

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    Of all the trade proposals we have endured since April, the Kyrie deal is the only one I have thought could actually happen. KD and his trade request certainly slowed the progress of negotiations but I’m now thinking if the Nets can’t find a trade partner, Russ would not be terrible for the Nets.

    For starters, KD and LeBron are different players. LeBron has always been the pseudo PG for ever team he’s played for while KD has played off the ball at every stop. He fits much better with a ball dominate PG and he’s played with Russ.

    Then there is the issue of spacing. The Lakers didn’t have any. Russ would often be met by several defenders that resulted in some truly awful decisions. The Nets have KD and Paddy Mills. They will have either Curry or Joe Harris and they just signed TJ Warren. All of those guys will space the floor for Russ to do what he does best, attack.

    In a way the Kyrie trade makes more sense for the Nets if KD stays then goes. All they get in Russ if KD leaves is a distant pick and cap relief if Harris is included. If KD stays Russ may actually help them win.

    But here is the interesting question. Why did KD ask out? Was it because he is tight with Kyrie? Or was it because of the trade speculation for Russ. Russ and KD’s partnership didn’t end well. That makes me wonder if that is playing a part in this drama.

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    • There’s so much controversy surrounding Russ at this point that it’s hard to imagine him playing anywhere next season, which is a shame because the guy is such an amazing athlete and if he could learn to dial it down and under control could still be a valuable part of a team. Unfortunately, he probably cannot do that for a championship caliber team. For a team looking to tank and wanting to have some reason to attract fans, Russ could work.

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    Steins reporting that LeBron won’t sign an extension without a Kyrie trade. If true WTF is he thinking? Talk about killing your teams leverage. The Nets can hold out for more. Honestly I’m too the point where I could care less if he signs an extension. He wanted Westbrook and it left team on life support. Now he wants to finish the job, like he always does. Let him walk. Let’s see how much he gets on his next deal.

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    Steins reporting that LeBron won’t sign an extension without a Kyrie trade. If true WTF is he thinking? Talk about killing your teams leverage. The Nets can hold out for more. Honestly I’m too the point where I could care less if he signs an extension. He wanted Westbrook and it left team on life support. Now he wants to finish the job, like he always does. Let him walk. Let’s see how much he gets on his next deal.

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    • I put the blame on Jeanie rather than LeBron. Both know LeBron is going to sign the extension if they trade for Kyrie and won’t if they don’t. That makes Jeanie’s decision simple. Trade for Kyrie or get stuck with Russ. There is no parallel universe where you don’t take the risk. You’ve already cost us the MLE. Stop the baby crying. Do what is needed for Lakers to win. Don’t Ef up the Kyrie trade.

      First, you know very well the Lakers can’t make wild or emotional decisions regarding superstars. This is just another rumor that probably matches what most pundits think is going on. There’s a battle between the Lakers and Klutch over the team direction.

      Everybody knows LeBron wants the Kyrie trade. They also know Jeanie doesn’t want to commit to multiple years or increases in salary cap. In a way, In fact, if we’re going to start conspiracy theories, The Lakers have done such a great job convincing everybody that they’re difficult rather than desperate. It’s the best job I’ve seen them done this decade.

      Of course, there’s a point where talking tough won’t work and the Lakers do desperately need the Russ/Kyrie trade and the last thing they need to do is make a mistake like declining to make the trade due to giving up a draft pick 5 or 7 years away. You have a chance to dump Russ for Kyrie and resurrect the Lakers chances for #18 this season.

      Jeanie should sell the Lakers if they somehow screw up the gift from the basketball gods that this trade is. This is not a competition between your will and LeBron’s. It’s a chance to take advantage of a miraculous break that fell into your hands despite your gross mismangement of the team. It’s a slam dunk. Don’t blow it, Jeanie.

      • I would love it if the Lakers could keep everything behind closed doors. These leaks hurt our negotiating position. I’m not saying a deal won’t get done, but it could cost more then it needed to. Of course LeBron doesn’t care about draft picks or salary cap but do not give the Nets a negotiating advantage. it’s his team and he should be doing what he can for his team to make the best deal they can. And he always does this. He pressures his team to make a deal, regardless of what it does to the team.

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    Aloha,

    Here is a trade with the Pacers using Russ if they really wanted to dump Buddy and a Kyrie trade can’t happen. The Lakers send them Russ, an unprotected 1st and a 2nd. Pacers send Buddy plus 3 of the contracts used for filler in the Brogdon trade. They would probably want to keep Theis in case of a Turner trade. You can have 20 guys under contract during the summer, so the Lakers could take on those 3 guys and Buddy. That would total a little over 30 mil going out to the Lakers. But Buddy has another year at 20 mil so in essence the Pacers save about 3 mil. I could see the Pacer doing that for a distant pick. The Lakers could cut all 3 since 2 are expiring and one has a team option next year. That would also give the Lakers a decent TPE. And reduce salary by about 8 mil.

    Pacers deal

    Aloha,

    Here is a trade with the Pacers using Russ if they really wanted to dump Buddy and a Kyrie trade can’t happen. The Lakers send them Russ, an unprotected 1st and a 2nd. Pacers send Buddy plus 3 of the contracts used for filler in the Brogdon trade. They would probably want to keep Theis in case of a Turner trade. You can have 20 guys under contract during the summer, so the Lakers could take on those 3 guys and Buddy. That would total a little over 30 mil going out to the Lakers. But Buddy has another year at 20 mil so in essence the Pacers save about 3 mil. I could see the Pacer doing that for a distant pick. The Lakers could cut all 3 since 2 are expiring and one has a team option next year. That would also give the Lakers a decent TPE. And reduce salary by about 8 mil.

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    Michael H wrote a new post

    Aloha,

    In its effort to protect small market teams from losing their stars, the have created a monster. Damien Lillard has signed an extension for 61 mil a year. That’s half of the salary cap. Lillard is a great player but how do you build a championship level team with half of your cap going to one guy. How can a small market team compete if half their cap is going to one player. It really has gotten out of hand but I don’t know how it’s resolved. The NBA is now controlled by a handful of superstars. What is puzzling to me is why the rank and file members of the union put up with it. They hold the votes yet they allow themselves to get the shaft.

    Monster

    Aloha,

    In its effort to protect small market teams from losing their stars, the have created a monster. Damien Lillard has signed an extension for 61 mil a year. That’s half of the salary cap. Lillard is a great player but how do you build a championship level team with half of your cap going to one guy. How can a small market team compete if half their cap is going to one player. It really has gotten out of hand but I don’t know how it’s resolved. The NBA is now controlled by a handful of superstars. What is puzzling to me is why the rank and file members of the union put up with it. They hold the votes yet they allow themselves to get the shaft.

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    • It’s almost as if these things weren’t collectively bargained and voted in by both sides. Maybe Lebron rigged the election….Stop The Steal!!!!!

    • I think that there are enough mechanisms in place that allow all teams to compete. We’re seeing the largest market team choosing not to spend, we just saw Memphis blast past the cap to keep most of that core together. The Warriors function as if money didn’t matter and to the owner it probably doesn’t. The real issue I have is players not coming close to honoring contracts. Dame Time asks out next summer and the Blazers will be forced to move him for a lesser return, exactly what we’re seeing Brooklyn deal with for the last year. Stars almready are choosing to leave any market they’re in, the contract isn’t much better than the single ply apocalypse TP folks stockpiled.

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    Michael H wrote a new post

    Aloha,

    James Harden opted out of his 47 mil deal and signed a 2 year deal at 32 mil a year. He did it so the 76ers could be improve the roster for a title run.

    If LeBron is truly interested in championships he would need to do the same. It’s estimated that if LeBron is not already a billionaire, he’s close. Unfortunately i don’t get the sense that LeBron will do that.

    Harden Takes a pay cut

    Aloha,

    James Harden opted out of his 47 mil deal and signed a 2 year deal at 32 mil a year. He did it so the 76ers could be improve the roster for a title run.

    If LeBron is truly interested in championships he would need to do the same. It’s estimated that if LeBron is not already a billionaire, he’s close. Unfortunately i don’t get the sense that LeBron will do that.

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    Aloha,

    Lonnie got off to a horrible start from 3 last year. But he found his stroke after the all star break he shot nearly 37% from 3 on 6 attempts. I’m sure that the Lakers are counting on that trend continuing this year. With his youth, ridiculous athleticism, and 6’ 11” wing spam the Lakers gambled on him with their MLE. Our scouting department has been right far more then wrong with these young dudes. We are seeing it again in summer league and it would be huge if they are right about Walker as well.

    Walker IV

    Aloha,

    Lonnie got off to a horrible start from 3 last year. But he found his stroke after the all star break he shot nearly 37% from 3 on 6 attempts. I’m sure that the Lakers are counting on that trend continuing this year. With his youth, ridiculous athleticism, and 6’ 11” wing spam the Lakers gambled on him with their MLE. Our scouting department has been right far more then wrong with these young dudes. We are seeing it again in summer league and it would be huge if they are right about Walker as well.

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    • Whie we probably only signed Walker because of Klutch telling him to take the one year offer to showcase him, I do think he has potential. I’m very interested to see how all of the new players look like in Ham’s offense and defense.

      Looking forward to the changes and seeing the Bucks more modern offense with better spacing for LeBron, AD, and young studs like Lonnie who have the atheticism to take advantage of wide open lanes to the rim.

      Still need the elite shooting from Kyrie and Joe or Seth to put it all together but it’s a game plan that I think has a good chance to succeed and elevate the Lakers back into legitimate contention.

    • I can’t wait for camp. Be interesting to see who is still here and who isn’t. Once that’s settled we’ll be a few weeks away from camp and preseason. Then comes the part of the season where I ignore all the “preseason is meaningless” clickbait and try to discern the patterns and trends that’ll indicate how we’ll do, given good health.

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    Michael H wrote a new post

    Aloha,

    I can see why moving Joe Harris as part of the Kyrie deal is important to the Nets. The Nets maybe looking at an immediate rebuild. The Lakers future picks really doesn’t help them much in that regard, but moving Joe Harris does. It clears 19 mil of cap space next year. The Lakers want Curry but he is expiring so there is no benefit to the Knicks. Besides Curry could be a useful trade chip. Contenders are always looking for snipers. The Lakers may have to bite the bullet on Harris get a trade done. Not taking Harris could delay a trade until the deadline or it may not happen at all.

    Joe Harris

    Aloha,

    I can see why moving Joe Harris as part of the Kyrie deal is important to the Nets. The Nets maybe looking at an immediate rebuild. The Lakers future picks really doesn’t help them much in that regard, but moving Joe Harris does. It clears 19 mil of cap space next year. The Lakers want Curry but he is expiring so there is no benefit to the Knicks. Besides Curry could be a useful trade chip. Contenders are always looking for snipers. The Lakers may have to bite the bullet on Harris get a trade done. Not taking Harris could delay a trade until the deadline or it may not happen at all.

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    • The issue with Harris is partly luxury taxes. The Lakers paid $45M, 5th most, and Nets $98M, 2nd most. Neither team wants to increase payroll as a result of the trade. In fact, both would like to reduce salary. Harris makes $18.6 per year while Curry only makes $8.4M. That’s a $10M difference. Eventual trade will likely be a close match with neither team adding salary.

      The other issue with Harris is the second year. Unless LeBron verbally agrees to sign extension, the Lakers will not take back contracts that go beyond how far LeBron has committed, which right now is just next season. That’s why we got stuck with Lonnie Walker IV. He’s all we could get offering just 1 year. Now we’re saying we won’t take Harris because of the second year.

      Then there’s the draft picks. We’ll give up one I think but need the second one to move THT and Nunn. Solution then is to expand trade to include THT and Nunn but in the end, the Nets don’t have enough 1-year deals other than Curry to make this trade work. So Lakers will have to take back multi-year contracts.

      At some point, LeBron has to realize that he needs to commit so that Rob can close the deal. Or demand a trade. Can’t sit on the effing fence like he is doing right now without risking wasting this valuable one of the few remaining years in his championship window.

      • This is typical LeBron. The problem is, he’s always left, leaving his team hanging. While I have no desire to sign Kyrie beyond this year, there is a better chance at a ring then with Russ. We will see how important another championship is too LeBron.

      • The issue with Harris is he has bad ankles…

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    Michael H wrote a new post

    Aloha,

    The Laker kids had another blow out win over the Warriors 100 to 77. There were contributions from a lot of different players.

    One thing I can’t understand is why the NBA does not have a true minor league like baseball. I’m sure it’s all about the small market but it’s not fair for teams that spend more on scouting and development. These teams can find hidden gems and develop them, and then watch other teams pick them off.

    Huff is really looking like a keeper, but our two ways, Pippin and Swider are as well. We will need to keep 2 roster spots open for a potential Kyrie trade. Unless we find a 2 for one trade Huff will be fair game down the road.

    Even expanding the number of two ways to four or five players would be helpful. As it is with the salary cap rules that favor the small markets, the G league does as well.

    Lakers Blow Out Warriors

    Aloha,

    The Laker kids had another blow out win over the Warriors 100 to 77. There were contributions from a lot of different players.

    One thing I can’t understand is why the NBA does not have a true minor league like baseball. I’m sure it’s all about the small market but it’s not fair for teams that spend more on scouting and development. These teams can find hidden gems and develop them, and then watch other teams pick them off.

    Huff is really looking like a keeper, but our two ways, Pippin and Swider are as well. We will need to keep 2 roster spots open for a potential Kyrie trade. Unless we find a 2 for one trade Huff will be fair game down the road.

    Even expanding the number of two ways to four or five players would be helpful. As it is with the salary cap rules that favor the small markets, the G league does as well.

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    • Great points, Michael. The league need to evolve by increasing the number of two-way players on route to allowing the team to control all the players on their G-League team.

    • I think a couple of things affect the G-League to NBA pathway. #1 it’s still a relatively new development kn terms of the CBA, it’ll take time for there to be an easier and quicker pipeline between the two. #2 not every team has a G league team, its not mandatory and thats why the league created the non affiliated G-league team (The Ignite, I believe…).I think they will soon, potentially in the next CBA. #3 Coaches may not be all that excited throwing a guy out there who hasnt practiced with the team, been a part of film sessions or knows the habits and tendencies of the other players on the team. Lastly, and this is a pessimistic way of looking atvghjngs,nobody wants to see some two-way guy take out a well paid superstar and make them miss time. It gets bad enough when a vet minimum or some such player does. Having said that I think they will look to add more mechanisms for more two way guys to get PT.

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    Michael H wrote a new post

    Aloha,

    Taking a closer look at our incoming 1st rounders it is not as daunting as I thought. 2024 is the last year we may not get a pick. But because of a deferment option in 2024 and swap rights. We can’t trade a pick until 2027. So In reality we will have a first round pick every year but one moving forward. That to me makes trading one or both of our tradable picks a little more tolerable. I would tell the Nets we will take Harris but you only get one pick.

    We will get picks.

    Aloha,

    Taking a closer look at our incoming 1st rounders it is not as daunting as I thought. 2024 is the last year we may not get a pick. But because of a deferment option in 2024 and swap rights. We can’t trade a pick until 2027. So In reality we will have a first round pick every year but one moving forward. That to me makes trading one or both of our tradable picks a little more tolerable. I would tell the Nets we will take Harris but you only get one pick.

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    • If we do agree to trade future picks they should go out with protection, in case we are really bad by then.

      • With all of the unprotected picks the Nets gave the Rockets and the Hawks and Wolves gave the Spurs and Jazz, the Lakers should not hesitate to give picks with no protection. Kill any pick swaps as they make odd year picks untradeable but picks will have to be unprotected for the deal to go through.

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