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The success of the Los Angeles Lakers’ offseason and chances to repeat as champions heads for a reckoning this Friday when free agency starts and the team begins a desperate quest to sign a starting center for the season.
A quick look at the Lakers’ current roster heading into free agency lists the team’s only center as JaVale McGee, whose stock went from starting the for the entire regular season to becoming essentially unplayable in the playoffs. Dwight Howard, the other center from the Lakers’ championship roster last season is a free agent who also was benched during the NBA Finals and has announced he wants a bigger contract than the team seems willing to pay.
While the McGee/Howard traditional low post center tandem was a key part of the Lakers’ regular season success, everything changed after the addition of Markieff Morris, who transformed the offense and defense. Morris’ ability to create better spacing on offense and quicker rotations on defense enabled head coach Frank Vogel to play Anthony Davis more at the center position and transform the Lakers into a championship juggernaut.
The result was both McGee and Howard became essentially unplayable against many matchups by the end of the playoffs, leaving the Lakers desperately needing to sign a starting center heading into free agency. Fortunately, there are only three teams with major cap space left and several quality centers whom the Lakers could pursue with their $9.3 million non-taxpayer MLE who’d be better fits than McGee or Howard.
Heading the list is Suns’ free agent Aron Baynes, a 33-year old, 6′ 10,” 260 lb veteran stretch five who averaged 11.5 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 1.6 assists in 22.3 minutes while shooting 35.1% on 4.0 attempts per game. Aron made $5.4 million last season so the Lakers should be able to land him with a big raise by offering him their $9.3 million non-taxpayer MLE and the opportunity to start on a championship team and win a ring.
The Lakers were planning to pursue Baynes last offseason, expecting him to be waived by the Suns after they acquired him in a trade from the Celtics. Unfortunately, Phoenix kept him and he enjoyed a career season for them. Aron would be a great fit on the Lakers and his elite 3-point shooting would open the floor up and make it very hard for teams to pack the paint against LeBron James and Anthony Davis. He should be the Lakers top target.
Second on the list should be 27-year old, 7′ 0,” 240 lb free agent Willie Cauley-Stein who averaged 7.2 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.3 assists in 23.0 minutes per game last season as three-level defensive center for the Mavs. While Willie is not a stretch five, he’s an elite rim protector who can defend players on the perimeter. Together with Anthony Davis, he would give the Lakers one of the most dominating defensive front courts in the league.
Willie earned just $2.2 million last season so the Lakers should be able to sign him with their $3.6 million BAE. A pairing of Baynes and Cauley-Stein would give the Lakers a modern offensive and defensive center tandem. The Lakers could then gamble on signing the still injured DeMarcus Cousins to replace McGee and become their third center, giving them a deep and versatile center rotation of Baynes, Cauley-Stein, and Cousins.
Finally, the Lakers should pursue free agent Serge Ibaka, a 31-year old, 7′ 0,” 235 lb veteran center who averaged 15.4 points, 8.2 rebounds, and 1.4 assists in 27.0 minutes while shooting 38.5% on 3.3 attempts per game. Serge made $23.2 million last year, so the best the Lakers can offer is their $9.3 million non-taxpayer MLE. Unfortunately, that may not be enough to lure him from Toronto but the Lakers should definitely make a run at him.
Last but not least, if the Lakers strike out on Baynes, Cauley-Stein, and Ibaka, they probably should consider re-signing Dwight Howard with their $3.6 million BAE as he is a better defender and rebounder than McGee. While Howard won’t give them the modern offensive or defensive center they covet, he did help them win an NBA championship and is still a solid rim protector and physical force on the boards that teams have to respect.
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So how would you divide the available 24 minutes between the 3 centers on the roster. Lol. We are at our best with AD at the 5 and that will continue next year as well.
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I’m actually not sure that Baynes at the 5 and AD at the 4 might be better offensively than AD at the 5 and Morris at the 4.
Same with WCS at the 5 and AD at the 4 cold be better defensively than AD at the 5 and Morris at the 4.
Those are even bigger offensive and defensive nightmare matchups for other teams than AD and Morris.
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Any opinion about Meyers Leonard? He is irritating to watch when he’s on the bench, but he does try when he’s on the court and can rebound, set screens and shoot the three. I’d like a player like him, a return of Dwight for another conservative salary and Morris for his savvy and 3 and ability to play small ball center.
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Hey, Howard. Great to see you found your way to the new site.
I kind of forgot about Leonard because he’s coming off a $11M contract with Miami and they supposedly want him back but at a discount since he won’t start. I love his 3-point shooting, over 40% the last three years but didn’t play many minutes. Might be able to get a player like him for the modern offensive half of the center tandem and then a WCS or Noel for the defensive half with the $9.3M NT MLE. Good take, he should in the competition if he’s willing to take a cut in pay, which it looks like he will have to do. Thanks.
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Aloha Tom, I do like Baynes a lot. But I’m pretty sure we will only sign one more center. AD plays center half the time and we are at our best when he does so I can’t see us using 3 roster spots for centers. As for me I don’t know which would be better for us, signing a center for the full MLE or signing one for say the bi annual and going after a guy like Harkless to guard big wings like Danny did.
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First, we have to figure Boogie is going to take all season to fully recover since he’s not going to be ready to play when we start.
Second, we’re going to reduce AD’s minutes along with LeBron’s since they played in the Finals so he won’t play as many minutes as last year.
Third, neither McGee or Howard allowed us to play the type of offense and defense we played with AD at center. However, Baynes will let us play offensively like AD did and WCS would let s play defensively like we did with AD at the 5. The result is we won’t need AD as much at the five, which will be better for him.
So maybe Baynes plays 16 minutes, WCS, 16 minutes, and Davis 16 minutes at the five. As Boogies gets healthier, we can give him some of AD’s minutes at the 5.
I’m sure we won’t sign all three as that’s a dream scenario but we should get two of the three with maybe McGee as “in case of emergency, break glass” center. Could even see Baynes and Howard, or WCS and Boogie, or ideally, Baynes and WCS.
Can’t come back with Howard and McGee. That much is obvious.
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I guess I’m just much more concerned with perimeter defense then you are Tom. While Danny was a offensive disappointment, his defense was key because he could guard 1 through 3. He even held his ground against bigs. Dennis is a tough defender but he can’t do that. You can find rim protection for the vet min or bae but a stud perimeter defender will cost more. I also think we will continue to go small with AD like last year. Our “small” line up is a nightmare for the entire league. We maybe better offensively with a stretch 5 but it still will not be as good as AD at the 5.
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That’s why we need the versatility of having a modern offensive and defensive center to pair with AD depending on the needs and matchup. Having AD and WCS on the floor at the same time would give us a better defense than AD and Markieff. We would have two shot blockers who can also defend guards and forwards at all three levels when switched.
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You need 2 5’s and if we bring back Cousins than he and McGee are good enough. Would one rather maybe flip McGee for Baynes so Phoenix gets something in return? Sure, that could be a thing. If we have McGee we already have the same skillset as Willie would bring, again maybe we could flip McGee and WCS but I don’t see that one.
Bottom line, even if we run McGee back, promote Cacock to a full 2 Way and bring Boogie back I feel like we’re fine at the 5. Unless Serge wants to take a huge paycut and Toronto has no interest in bringing him back I see him as being out of reach.
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I’m also a big fan of Frank Kaminsky but he may be out of our price range.
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“If we have McGee we already have the same skillset as Willie would bring.”
They’re both excellent rim protectors. Difference is ability to defend on the perimeter, which Willice can do and which JaVale can’t, which is why he became unplayable. WCS 1.1 steals per game. McGee 0.5 steals per game.
Boogie is not even ready to play yet and who knows how well he can play and Cacok is still just a G-Leaguer. Lakers need to invest in a legitimate starting center and McGee, Howard, or Cousins are not that. There is no greater need on the roster right now. Fortunately, there are some excellent options available in free agency.
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The true modern center has to be able to score and defend at every level. That’s why Anthony Davis is such a dominant force when he plays the five. He can score from anywhere on the court and defend all five positions.
There are modern offensive centers who can shoot the three and defensive centers who can protect the rim and defend the perimeter but Anthony Davis is a unicorn, the mythical player every team covets and cannot find. There are a few young centers like Myles Turner and Christian Wood who can emulate parts of AD’s modern offensive and defensive repertoire but the Lakers’ chances of acquiring either of them don’t appear to be realistic.
While the Lakers were successful playing two traditional low post centers during the regular season, there were crucial moments during the playoffs when both McGee and Howard essentially became unplayable at either end. They clogged the middle and made it easier for teams to pack the paint against LeBron and AD on offense and became liabilities unable to defend stretch fives or guards on the perimeter when hunted and switched.
The time has come for the Lakers to modernize the center position and replace the JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard tandem with a center duo that includes a modern offensive center and a modern defensive center. Replacing two traditional low post centers with a modern offensive center who can score at all three levels and a modern defensive center who can defend all five positions will transform the Lakers at both ends of the court.
MODERN OFFENSIVE CENTERS:
The Lakers best offensive performances in the playoffs came when Anthony Davis played the five, Markieff Morris played the four, and the Lakers used various five out sets to create spacing for Lakers players to attack the rim.
Adding a modern stretch five center to the roster would enable the Lakers to continue to allow Anthony Davis to split his time between the four and five while providing James and Davis with optimum spacing for all 48 minutes:
1. Aron Baynes, Free Agent
The 33-year old Aron Baynes is coming off a career year with the Phoenix Suns, where he averaged 11.5 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 1.6 assists in 22.3 minutes per game while shooting 35.1% from deep on 4 threes per game. Those were career highs in 3-point percentages and attempts for a center who transformed his game the last three years to become a modern stretch center after rarely taking a three during the first five years of his career.
Baynes brings the kind of rugged physicality to the game that made Howard so valuable, setting bone crushing screens, boxing out hard on the glass, playing tough positional defense, and being in the right place at right time. Aron made $5.4 million last season so the Lakers might be able to tempt him with a slight raise and part of their $9.3 million non-taxpayer MLE and the opportunity to start on a championship team and win a ring.
2. DeMarcus Cousins, Free Agent
Boogie’s supposedly close to being ready to play after a series of debilitating injuries that threatened to derail his career. If he’s healthy and can play anywhere near his preinjury level, he would be a top candidate to re-sign. Before his injuries, he was on pace to shoot 35.4% on over 500 attempts from beyond the arc. With career averages of 21.2 points, 10.9 rebounds, and 3.2 assists, a healthy Cousins is the prototype modern offensive center.
We know Boogie can score inside and out, is an excellent passer, and had a lot of the same skill set as Nikola Jokic but the big question with is can he still defend or have the injuries cost him the mobility and lift needed to defend? The Lakers can likely sign the 30-year old Cousins to a veteran’s minimum contract and his great history and relationship with Anthony Davis make him a leading candidate to be the Lakers’ modern offensive center.
3. Serge Ibaka, Free Agent
The 31-year old Serge Ibaka could be the best overall fit for the Lakers as a modern offensive center because he’s a superior 3-point shooter, rim protector, and shot blocker than either DeMarcus Cousins or Aron Baynes. The problem is he would be more expensive. Serge made $23.2 million last year, which means the best the Lakers can likely offer is their $9.3 million non-taxpayer MLE. Unfortunately, that may not be enough to lure him.
Serge averaged 15.4 points, 8.2 rebounds, and 1.4 assists in 27.0 minutes while shooting 38.5% from deep on 3.3 attempts per game last season. While he’s been linked to the Lakers in rumors, he’s a long shot to acquire. The Raptors want to keep him and he’s already won a ring there. What might make the difference is offering a multiple year deal, which the Lakers may be willing to consider since Giannis may be staying with the Bucks.
MODERN DEFENSIVE CENTERS:
The Lakers best defensive performances in the playoffs came when Anthony Davis played the five, Markieff Morris the four, and the Lakers used speed, quickness, mobility, and athleticism to protect the rim and perimeter.
Adding a modern defensive center to the roster would enable the Lakers to continue to play the aggressive suffocating defense that dominated teams in the playoffs for the entire game rather than just when Davis played the five.
1. Willie Cauley-Stein, Free Agent
The 27-year old 7′ 0,” 240 lb Willie Cauley-Stein is my top pick to be the modern defensive center in the Lakers’ new center tandem. He averaged 7.2 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.3 assists in 23.0 minutes per game last season. Willie’s real value, however, came at the defensive end where he averaged 1.2 blocks and 1.1 steals for the Mavericks, impressive numbers for just 23.0 minutes per game. Willie has exercised his player option and is a free agent.
I believe Willie is the closest thing to Anthony Davis as a modern defensive center who can protect the rim and block shots and switch onto guards and forwards and challenge shots beyond the arc or stuff drives to the basket. Willie and AD would create a formidable defensive duo of pterodactyls who could put a suffocating lid on the Lakers’ defensive basket. I would offer Willie half of our $9.3 million non-taxpayer MLE and a chance to win a ring.
2. Nerlens Noel, Free Agent
26-year old, 6′ 10,” 220 lb Nerlens Noel is another young, mobile, bouncy modern defensive center who can protect the rim and defend five positions who would be an excellent fit as part of the Lakers’ new center tandem. Nerlens averaged 7.4 points, 4.9 rebounds, and 0.9 assists in just 18.5 minutes per game. Like Cauley-Stein, Noel’s value was on defense where he averaged an amazing 1.5 blocks and 1.2 steals in less than half a game.
If the Lakers can’t sign Willie Cauley-Stein, they should definitely pursue Nerlens Noel, who only made the $1.6 million veteran minimum with the OKC Thunder last season. He would be a perfect candidate for the BAE. Considering the great job Frank Vogel did with old school centers like McGee and Howard, imagine what he could put together with a faster, younger, and more athletic center like Nerlens Noel next to Anthony Davis.
3. Tristan Thompson, Free Agent
The 29-year old, 6′ 9.” 254 lb Tristan Thompson is a former teammate and long time friend of LeBron James, who respects his defensive ability and would love to have him join the Lakers as their modern defensive center. While his blocks and steals stats don’t compare with the younger Cauley-Stein or Noel, Tristan has a well deserved reputation as being a smart and talented center who can protect the rim and defend on the perimeter.
The big issue with Thompson is cost as he’s coming off an $18.5 million contract with Cleveland that many considered to be an overpayment and blame on LeBron James who lobbied heavily for the Cavaliers to sign him. Tristan also started shooting 3-point shots last season, taking 23 threes in 57 games and hitting 9 of them for 39.0%. Thompson merits consideration because of LeBron but only if he were willing to sign a minimum contract.
The Lakers single-handedly restored the center position and going big as a viable option last season and have an opportunity to continue the evolution by rebuilding their center rotation to embrace the modern analytics game. Small ball’s never really been about small being better than big. It’s about empowering players who had the offensive and defensive skills of guards and forwards along with the size and length to play and defend the five.
Replacing their two traditional low post centers with a modern offensive center who can stretch defenses and a modern defensive center who can guard all five positions could transform the Lakers into a juggernaut. Imagine how much better the Los Angeles Lakers would be if they replaced JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard with a center who can shoot the 3 like Aron Baynes and center who can defend 5 positions like Willie Cauley-Stein.
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It’s interesting how it now appears that all of the Lakers players who had player options appear to be deciding to exercise those options, including AD, KCP, Rondo, Bradley, and McGee. While AD is re-signing and KCP is either coming back or being signed-and-traded, it appears Rondo, Bradley, and McGee are leaving, along with Howard, who is a free agent.
Appropo to my article, it looks more and more like the Lakers will be looking for a new center tandem to replace McGee and Howard, which I think is a great opportunity for the Lakers to modernize their center position to embrace the modern analytics game and transform the Lakers into a dynastic juggernaut. In fact, replacing JaVale and Dwight with Baynes and Cauley-Stein could be the biggest upgrade the Lakers make this offseason.
It’s a move that basically doubles down on what the Lakers learned during the playoffs: that traditional low post centers were becoming unplayable in the modern NBA. Instead, the modern center needs to be able to score on all three levels and defend all five positions. While there aren’t any more Anthony Davis unicorns to add, the Lakers can transform their old school two-headed center into a modern offensive center like Baynes and modern defensive center like Cauley-Stein.
Considering what Frank did with McGee and Howard, I’m excited to think about what he could do with a modern tandem like Baynes and Cauley-Stein or Cousins and Noel. The Lakers have an opportunity this offseason to catapult themselves ahead of the pretenders building superteams and create the basis for the next purple and gold dynasty. Counting on you to make it happen, Rob. Don’t let us down.
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Run like hell from those last 3. How many times they gotta prove themselves useless in the modern NBA before you finally close the book on them?
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What you’re missing, Stan, is the value of a modern defensive center, meaning a player who can defend all five positions, like Anthony Davis. I’m not really a fan of Thompson but both WCS and Noel are fast, quick, and mobile enough to defend at all three levels – low post, midrange, and 3-point line. The reason JaVale and Dwight became unplayable in the playoffs was they could not defend on the perimeter.
When you think about Vogel’s desire for defense first, Willie or Noel would be great fits next to AD. They would dramatically elevate our defense. Pairing one of them with Aron Baynes would be a dream center tandem for the Lakers and a massive upgrade over McGee and Howard. They would together play around half the game with AD covering the other half.
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I feel like McGee sticking with his PO takes us out of the running for all 3. Some of these guys might also have just watched us bench every center for entire playoff series and choose a aplce where they won’t have to sacrifice to AD, bigger payday than we’ll likely be offering (although it’s hard to see that materializing at this point for most of the remaing 5s). I don’t see much of a trade market for McGee, even with Kuzma as bait. The money won’t be a lot so you aren’t likely to find a player making that money that an organization would part with and that we would want. Could happen, feels unlikely now.
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I don’t think JaVale signing affects much. No way he’s going to be the starting center. Our top priority is to sign a starting center. Bradley opting out gives us money to pay KCP $12M and still have the $9.3M NT MLE and $3.6M BAE. I think we need to spend the full MLE to get either Baynes or Ibaka and maybe the BAE to get Matthews. I’d be thrilled with that.
I still think there’s a chance we might package a S&T of KCP with Kuz and McGee for Oladipo or S&T for Bogdan. Not likely but possible.
PG: Schroder, Caruso
SG: KCP, Matthews, THT
SF: James, Kuzma
PF: Davis, Morris
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WCS and Noel are just not NBA players, no matter how much you loved them coming out of the gate. Pair of headcases, absolute zeros on offense, and can still get PnR’d to death on the perimeter. Maybe can block a shot or two inside on occasion, but overall nothing more than some minimum salaried roster spots that may give you 10 minutes of rest.
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Great article Tom. I have also read those articles that most of the Lakers players with player option are declining their contracts. I do not know if it is good or bad news for us since we do not have the money to pay free agents. In my opinion, I am hoping we can get Ibaka, Noel, Matthews, and hopefully Markief Morris if cap permits it to be. If we are going to sign and trade KCP, I am hoping that it would be for a significant player. Still refreshing my browsers every 5 minutes for the latest rumors. hahaha
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Thanks, Havoc. Going to be one of those Twitter refresh evenings.
Stay healthy and keep your fingers crossed.
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My dream Lakers roster after Friday’s free Agency:
PG: Schroder, Caruso
SG: KCP, Matthews, THT
SF: LeBron, Kuzma
PF: AD, Morris, Dudley
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Tom, Any thoughts on Kuzma moving to starting role in the SF slot, leaving Lebron at PG, with Schroder either starting at SG, or continuing in 6th man role? Kuzma has historically performed better as a starter and depending on school of thought regarding Lebron at the point, might be a way to maximize on Kuz. Schroder is a proven off the bench player and can play both guard spots. I realize moving Lebron back to SF takes a load off at his advanced age, but his performance at point was terrific last year and he does command the ball as both a facilitator and as a scorer. I think this team would benefit more in adding a long wing defender that can shoot the three than having the 3rd “modern style” center. Two “modern centers” on the roster should be plenty, especially since AD is going to move into that slot in “winnin time” when necessary. That additional wing player could be the primary back up at SF, amidst quite a bit of potential position flexibility if the roster shapes up in a similar way to your dream option. Cheers
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Hey, Darryll, thanks for the great comment and questions. Like the way you think.
First, I think Schroder is going to start for several reasons:
1. He was not happy coming off the bench in OKC and Woj said the Lakers have promised him a chance to start. Don’t want to risk his not re-signing next offseason.
2. We saw during the playoffs how much better the team and LeBron and AD were when they had a legitimate point guard like Rondo on the floor with them. Because Dennis is a better 3-point shooter, we should even be better.
3. He is clearly now the third star on the team from salary standpoint. Starting point guard is more important than 6th man and I think we have a better candidate for that in Kyle Kuzma.
As for Kuzma, Pelinka made some intriguing comments today about Kyle filling Danny Green’s role defensively and maybe talking extension down the road. I’ve always wondered about Kuzma starting at the two being a way to get around him playing the same positions as LeBron and AD.
I think KCP is going to start at the two, assuming we don’t include him in a S&T and I think we may see Kuzma play starter minutes as the first backup at both the 2 and the 3. He can definitely defend both positions better than the 4.
The key is Kyle has to fix his broken shot and shoot at least 36% from deep. If he can do that, he might get an extension. If not, he will likely be traded before the midseason trade deadline.
Thanks also for the comments re the modern center tandem. I wolud be thrilled if we ended up with Baynes and WCP or Noel. Defending against the three is as important as making them.
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I wasn’t up on Shroder’s discontent coming off the bench, so putting him in a starter role makes sense, at least to begin the season (earn your keep). I suppose Kuz at the 2 and Lebron at the 3, is kinda the same as Lebron at the 2 and Kuz at the 3. They’ll match up defensively based on opponents and Lebron won’t be pigeon holed into a role no matter what position – Lebron will play like Lebron for the most part. I think last year’s team only needs a tweak or two. I liked how there was flexibility across positions, the ability to adjust to different game style and tempo, some redundancy in skill sets and styles between starters and subs and how the team seemed to get along as personalities. Of course having Lebron and Davis, you’re already well on the way. However, with player’s opting out, the hand may be forced to do more than tinker. While I’m sure Green brought some great intangibles, he really didn’t play well consistently throughout last season and shot poorly for much of the playoff’s. Shroder for Green is an upgrade IMO and I’m pleased with that change. I wouldn’t mind keeping one of Howard or McGee (preferably Howard) as I think they affected games in a positive way at points when the match ups worked. I agree, that certain aspects of their games are a liability with the new style of game, so replacing one of them with the 3pt, guard multiple position player who can still anchor the post on D would be an upgrade. I’m a fan of Baynes (although not sure about him in perimeter coverage), but haven’t seen all that much of McCauley Stein (will take your word for it). As mentioned previously, I think another great upgrade would be someone to play key defensive minutes on the likes of Kawhi, Durant, George, etc., while being able to stretch the floor on O. Any realistic options out there? Good news, is I have faith in Pelinka and expect he’ll make the right moves to improve and I have faith in Vogel and staff to mold/meld their personnel and game game plans as needed in order to max their potential. On another note ……..great ongoing work on the site …. also great how you evolved from the LA Times days to your own show 🙂
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Good comments, Darryll.
And glad you like the new site.Here’s where we stand right now after McGee opted in and Bradley out:
PG: Schroder, Caruso
SG: Caldwell-Pope, Horton-Tucker
SF: James, Kuzma
PF: Davis
CE: McGee
Free Agents: Howard, Morris, Rondo, Bradley…
Top Priorities:
1. Starting Center – Baynes or Ibaka? Howard?
2. Shooting Guard, Wing Defender – Matthews?
3. Backup Power Forward – Morris or Green?
4. Third Point Guard – ?…
Free Agency Assets:
1. $9.3M NT MLE
2. $3.6M BAE
3. $1,6M VME (only cap hit, actual pay depends on years in NBA)…
Trade Assets:
1. Kyle Kuzma $3.5M
2. JaVale McGee $4.2M
3. KCP $12– 15M S&TTotal $19.7–$22.7M = $24.7M –$28.4M
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Trade Targets:
1. KCP S&T, Kuzma, & McGee for Oladipo
2. KCP S&T, Kuzma, & McGee for Bogdanovic on $18M S&T…
My Dream:
PG: Schroder, Caruso
SG: Oladipo, Matthews,
SF: James, Horton-Tucker
PF: Davis, Morris
CE: Baynes, WCP, Cousins
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What are everyone’s thoughts on Frank Kaminsky? Had a regressive season last year in Phoenix but that could have been a lot of factors. Has been a decent stretch big and has solid playmaking skills.
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Kudos to the Los Angeles Lakers’ Rob Pelinka for pulling off a trade that not only gives the Lakers a needed third scorer and second playmaker in Dennis Schroder but also for not giving up his primary trading chip in Kyle Kuzma.
Getting Sam Presti to accept Danny Green and the 28th pick in the draft in exchange for Schroder means Pelinka still has enough ammunition left to pull off a second major trade to fill needs and upgrade the Lakers’ roster. Kuzma has starter quality talent and ambitions but plays the same positions as Lakers’ superstars James and Davis. Kyle will become a restricted free agent next offseason so it makes sense for the Lakers to trade him now.
The surprise is not that the Lakers traded for Schroder but that they did not have to give up Kuzma as part of the package. The expectation all along has been that any Lakers package had to include Kuzma, Green, and the pick. Since Kuzma will only make $3.5 million this season, the Lakers will need to include other contracts as salary filler to receive true value for him. That’s why everybody assumed he would be likely be traded with Green.
Without Danny Green’s $15.5 million contract, Rob Pelinka may only have JaVale McGee’s $4.2 million and Quinn Cook’s $3.0 million as salary filler since word is Avery Bradley is likely to exercise his $5.0 million player option. That means the Lakers would be limited to trading for a player or players whose combined salaries were less than 125% of the $10.7 million total salaries they were sending out plus $100,000, which equals $13.5 million.
There are several outstanding players who make less than $13.5 million per year who may be available in a trade for a talented young player with star potential like Kzma and would be perfect additions to the Lakers’ roster. How about trading Kuzma, McGee, and Cook for New Orleans shooting guard JJ Redick, who has 1 year left at $13.0 million, or Houston power forward Robert Covington, who has 2 years left and earns $12.9 million?
The Lakers could also utilize the $10.7 million Kuzma, McGee, and Cook package to pursue a sign-and-trade package for a coveted free agent who wanted more money than available for the $9.3 million non-taxpayer MLE. That might be the difference in convincing Serge Ibaka or Danilo Gallinari to sign with the Lakers and the Raptors or Thunder would be more than willing to agree to a sign-and-trade to acquire Kuzma without giving up anything.
There’s another scenario where a team offers Kentavious Caldwell-Pope a contract for more salary or years than the Lakers are willing to pay, in which case the Lakers could include a KCP sign-and-trade in the Kuzma package. For example, if a team were willing to offer KCP a 3-year contract starting at $15 million per year, the Lakers would be able to offer Kuzma, McGee, Cook, and KCP for a star player with an annual salary up to $32.2 million.
While I don’t think Kuzma, KCP, and filler is enough for the Lakers to land a legitimate star, it does give the Lakers a way to offer a player like Serge Ibaka or maybe Christian Wood a salary that’s greater than $13.5 million. Bottom line, the Lakers have a plethora of options to trade Kyle Kuzma to fill critical needs and Rob Pelinka is not done making deals to upgrade the roster. The trade for Dennis Schroder was just the first domino to fall.
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I think we’re in for another transcendent NBA offseason, much like last offseason where big name players were moving like chess pieces and challengers were emerging from everywhere.
I don’t see any way Rob doesn’t move Kuzma this week. This will be the best opportunity to sell high on him and the move I like is flipping him to New Orleans for JJ Redick. Reunite Kuzma with the rest of the baby Lakers. McGee also fits their needs. And JJ has 1-year left and is on the market. Kuzma’s a perfect fit for NO.
The word that Bradley is opting out could give the Lakers room to still keep KCP. I think that’s an important move for the Lakers to do. Because of age and defense, he’s more important than Rondo now that we have Dennis. He’s a Klutch brother. Pay him.
As I said in the article: “Bottom line, the Lakers have a plethora of options to trade Kyle Kuzma to fill critical needs and Rob Pelinka is not done making deals to upgrade the roster. The trade for Dennis Schroder was just the first domino to fall.”
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You are right Tom. This is the first piece of the domino. I love those options on how we can trade Kuzma. I just heard that CP3 has been traded to the Suns for Oubre, Rubio and other pieces. I would love to contact OKC again and inquire about Oubre. He is athletic, can shoot the 3 and is good in defense. Then again, it is just an option. I would love to have Ibaka or Wood as well. I also don’t think we will be able to get a start with just Kuzma. We will never know but it is worth the try. We will se what Rob will do in the next few days. Go Lakers
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Thanks for reading and commenting, Havoc. Great points. Oubre would be terrific on the Lakers but Presti is not going to trade him for Kuzma and filler. Oubre is way better than Kuz.
You’re right that we won’t get a star with Kuzma. Best we could do for Kuzma would be a vet on a rebuilding team like Redick or, if the Rockets blow it up, Covington.
Kuzma’s value is he’s youth and upside. He’s not going to get another young player. Best is a veteran from a rebuilding team.
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How i wish we can get Oubre for Kuz. It will indeed be a pipe dream. I would rather go with Covington than JJ Redick. Covington is a good defensive player and can also shoot the 3 ball. He can also guard both forward positions. If we can sign Matthews and Ibaka plus have Covington or just like what you mentioned on the article like a sign and trade for Woods, that is an A+ offseason for me
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Just read OKC doesn’t want to keep Oubre. Too bad we don’t have another draft pick to trade.
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Yeah also read that. They are flipping Oubre and Rubio for more assets. I guess OKC wants the picks more than a promising player. Is there a way we can trade a future pick for Oubre?
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If we assume the trade market for Kyle Kuzma is a rebuilding team looking to move an overpaid veteran player under contract or a free agent available via a sign-and-trade, what options remain for the Lakers to trade Kuzma?
1. Pelicans: JJ Redick
2. Thunder: Danilo Gallinari
3. Raptors: Serge Ibaka.
4. Rockets: Robert CovingtonWhat if the Lakers include a S&T of KCP?
1. Pistons: Christian Wood
2. Thunder: Kelly Oubre
3. Nuggets: Jerami Grant
4. Pacers: Victor OladipoI think an interesting trade that might appeal to the Pacers would be Kuzma and KCP on a 3-year $45 million S&T for an injured Victor Oladipo. Victor slides into Green’s starting shooting guard and KCP takes over for Victor on the Pacers plus Indiana gets a high upside combo forward in Kuzma.
I love the offense and defense of a Schroder and Oladipo backcourt.
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LT that’s the first Oladipo trade I can get behind pretty much 100%.
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Thanks, Jamie. I think it would be a win for both teams. KCP is a quality two-way shooting guard who would be a great fit on any team and Kuzma could blossom with a starting role on the Pacers. Meanwhile, the Lakers get a shot at the third superstar they need to go with LeBron and AD and to pair with AD when LeBron retires.
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I think any of the names mentioned for the Signing and Trading of KCP would be a nice fit to our roster. It will bolster our roster tremendously since the Bucks have upgraded their backcourt really well. Credit to the Bucks for making those deals. I think Giannis will now be signing his Supermax. I would rather prefer to have Bradley Beal than Giannis. How i wish we still have another pick available.
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I believe, sir, you’re under moratorium from proposing such far-fetched trades for at least 2 weeks on account of you not realizing that Avery Bradley was a little B-azz snake.
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OR you can hold onto him until the deadline, make a decision on whether to extend, trade or let it ride in free agency. His cap hold isn’t terrible, nor is it great ($8.9 mil) and his QO is reasonable ($5.2 mil). At that price you can afford to wait and see all the way into free agency. Frankly, without a large contract to pair with Kyle (the only potential one we can conceivably move would be for whatever we sign KCP to at this point) there’s not too many avenues left to get equitable value for Kyle. He also could S&T for next off-season, as well.
Frankly it also makes a decent amount of sense to work out an extension mid-season. He’s extension-eligible this entire season, I believe, and that could work in our favor, as well. Rob has demonstrated elite skills in navigating the NBA salary cap rules. Feels like that, since we’re moving Green, he has a bold plan in place. Here’s hoping.
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There’s always a risk making moves in the middle of the season, especially one likely to be as crazy as the coming one. Victor could recover completely and become unavailable. I think there’s a better chance of that happening than Kuz changing his trajectory because of playing time. Better to make the move now while Oladipo is potentially available. I don’t like changes midstream. It’s a long shot probably but it’s an idea I like.
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The most distressing rumor an NBA fan can hear is that their favorite team is seriously considering a trade that makes absolutely no sense, which is exactly how I feel about the Lakers trading for the Spurs’ DeMar DeRozan.
No disrespect to DeRozan, he’s a proven veteran 20-points, 5-rebounds, and 5-assists per game former two-time All-NBA player and Los Angeles native who grew up rooting for the purple and gold and idolizing Kobe Bryant. DeMar’s only 31-years old, is obviously available, is a reliable scorer who can get his own shot and create for others, and arguably could fill the Lakers’ need for a third star to complement LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
The problem is DeMar’s fit on a defense-first Lakers team whose greatest offensive need is improved 3-point shooting to stop opposing teams from from packing the paint to prevent James and Davis from getting to the rim. The 6′ 6,” 220 lb DeRozan was the 10th worst defender on a Spurs team that was the 24th worst defensive team in the league and shot just 25.7% from deep last season, below his poor 28.2% career 3-point percentage.
So the question is what are the Lakers thinking? How can they seriously be considering trading for DeRozan when his mere presence on the court is likely to downgrade their defense and limit spacing for James and Davis? DeRozan has $27.7 million left on his 1-year contract, meaning the Lakers would have to send $22.2 million in return, which they could do with Green’s $15.4 million, Kuzma’s $3.6 million, and McGee’s $4.2 million.
Why the Spurs would like to do that is simple: Kyle Kuzma. But why the Lakers would swap their best trading chip and valuable expiring contracts for a star player who doesn’t fit and is on an expiring contract is a mystery? Assuming there’s some truth to the rumors and knowing Rob Pelinka’s a savvy and smart basketball executive, let’s see if a DeRozan trade could make sense when viewed in the context of other moves and strategies.
First, adding DeRozan, who can deliver 20-points, 5-rebounds, and 5-assists per game, could be transformative for the Lakers, who clearly lack a player who can get a high percentage shot for himself or a teammate at any time. Second, maybe the Lakers don’t have the assets to trade for a player of the quality of Jrue Holiday, Victor Oladipo, or Myles Turner. Maybe DeRozan is the best available option as a third star to complement James and Davis.
The truth is the Lakers spent most of their valuable trading chips to acquire Anthony Davis and the players they would be giving up for DeRozan are likely not as appealing to other teams as Lakers fans believe them to be. After all, Kuzma hasn’t developed as expected and wants a bigger raise than the Lakers are willing to give him, Green has not lived up to his resume or $15 million salary, and McGee became basically unplayable in the playoffs.
So what are you really giving up in a DeRozan trade? DeMar is arguably a major upgrade at starting shooting guard over Green and neither Kuzma or McGee were significant contributors to the Lakers 2020 championship run. While there are obvious fit issues to resolve, the major objections to trading for DeMar are based on the possibly questionable opinion the Lakers should be able to get a better player than DeRozan for Kuzma, Green, and McGee.
While the fit issues are real and he’s not a good defender or 3-point shooter, DeRozan does have legitimate strengths that fill major needs for the Lakers on offense, namely his ability to get his own shot and make plays for others. DeMar could be the third scorer and second playmaker the Lakers need to complement LeBron James and Anthony Davis. He’s also capable of being a go to player down the stretch who force doubles and finds open shooters.
The problem is how to account for DeRozan’s mediocre defense and lack of gravity from beyond the arc? The answer could be as simple as making changes to the Lakers’ starting lineup and roster to ameliorate those issues. For example, the Lakers could sign a stretch five center like Serge Ibaka or Aron Baynes, whose elite and prolific 3-point shooting can stretch defenses and create spacing for James, Davis, and DeRozan to attack the rim?
Replacing a traditional low post center like Howard or McGee with a modern stretch center like Ibaka or Baynes would transform the Lakers 3-point game and enable them to play 5-out sets to spread defenses and open up lanes. That’s a perfect offensive environment for DeRozan to take advantage of his ability to score in the paint via high percentage jumpers and easy layups or create easy scoring opportunities for teammates with his elite playmaking.
Finally, there’s another reason the Lakers might want to trade for DeMar DeRozan over other star players who arguably fit better like Jrue Holiday, Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, or Chris Paul, which is his expiring contract. While the Lakers are in a ‘win now’ mode, there’s no evidence Rob Pelinka is planning to abandon his grand plan to create maximum cap space to pursue Giannis Antetokounmpo next offseason despite the impact of coronavirus.
Despite Kawhi’s rejection last summer, Pelinka stubbornly refused to sign players to contracts for more than two years, opting to preserve as much cap space as possible to sign Giannis or another legitimate third superstar. While the pandemic may have dimmed the Lakers’ chances of creating the cap space for a third superstar, Rob Pelinka may still be committed to the original plan and unwilling to take on more than 1-year contracts.
That would certainly explain why the Lakers might be looking at DeRozan as their best viable option for a major roster upgrade this season without compromising their plans to pursue a third superstar next offseason. Trading for DeRozan and signing Ibaka or Baynes could be the Lakers best option to respond to the major challenges they’re likely to face as the Clippers, Bucks, Warriors, Celtics, and Heat all upgrade their rosters.
The Lakers have never been focused on winning single championships and Rob Pelinka knows LeBron James’ seeming invincibility will come to an end and the Lakers will need another superstar to complement Anthony Davis. The dream of a Lakers’ Big Three and a superstar to pair with AD may be what’s driving the Lakers to pursue DeMar DeRozan as a 1-year option to repeat as NBA champions while still keeping the big picture plan alive.
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Maybe the DeRozan rumors are simply attempts by the Spurs and DeMar’s agent to hype his trade value or simply just Twitter smoke but I can’t help feeling that’s there may be something real about them. After writing this article, I have to admit I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lakers actually did trade for DeRozan.
Obviously, I’ve never been a big fan of DeRozan, primarily because he doesn’t stretch the floor or play good defense. I’m biased against players who haven’t embraced the 3-point shot and added it to their arsenal, especially somebody like DeRozan who’s a career 83% free throw shooter.
But that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate what DeMar could bring to the Lakers, especially if they moved on from traditional low post centers like Howard and McGee and brought in a modern stretch five center like Ibaka or Baynes. I think that would be an absolute requirement if they were to trade for DeRozan. I don’t see how you could play DeMar alongside Howard or McGee.
As I delineate in the article, there’s a chance DeRozan might be the best trade option the Lakers have to add more firepower to the starting lineup. Frankly, we’re not likely to trade Kuzma, Green, and McGee for anybody better. And we keep Caruso and the draft pick and avoid any long term contracts so we have maximum cap space for next offseason.
Bottom line, it sounds like a new version of last year’s moves after Kawhi bailed on us. Maybe DeRozan will take and make more threes because he’ll be open. Maybe Vogel’s defense first culture and peer pressure will lead him to play better defense. For sure, he will give us a reliable third scorer who shares the ball and can get his own shot. If Rob and LeBron and AD think it could work, then I’m all for it, especially if we can’t get any of the other trade targets we covet. Never thought I would support trading for DeRozan but it could be a savvy move in a larger context.
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PG: KCP, Rondo, #28 Pick
SG: DeRozan, Caruso
SF: LeBron, THT
PF: Davis, Morris, Dudley
CE: Ibaka, Howard, Cousins-
Get Goran Dragic and Ibaka, re-sign Boogie as backup, Trade DGreen to the Knicks for first round draft pick and change. Start THT at 2. Find ABradley’s replacement. The guy doesn’t want to play with this pandemic and chance bringing it home to his daughter.
Dudley and McGee for bench. These guys make the team fun on or off the court.
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Love to get Dragic and Ibaka but cannot get both with $9.3M MLE. Be lucky to get one. And if we are really going to trade for DeRozan, we have to have Ibaka. Can’t play DeMar with Howard or McGee and Boogie’s still a big question mark. Bradley looks like he’s opting out.
Dudley for 15th man for sure. Some Dudley stats. 42.9% on 3-point shots was best on team for players who took more than 40 attempts.
Dudley 98.4 defensive rating was not only the best on the Lakers for the regular season but the only player under 100. Even better than Alex Caruso’s excellent 101.0.
BEST 15TH MAN IN THE LEAGUE
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By the way, Sean, Vince Carter was more like the 13th man on the Hawks, averaging 14.6 minutes per game while Dudley was true 15th man averaging only 8.1 minutes per game. I still stand by Jared Dudley being the Best 15th Man in the NBA.
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While we discussed the Top 4 Moves Lakers Could Realistically Pull Off to Repeat as NBA Champions in our last article, we can’t ignore the possibility the Lakers will be able to pull off a blockbuster trade for a third superstar.
While pundits constantly remind us the Lakers gave up most of their trading chips in their mega deal for Anthony Davis, winning a championship may have elevated the value of several of the remaining players on their roster. Championship resumes for young players like Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Alex Caruso, and Talen Horton-Tucker and expiring contracts of proven vets like Danny Green, Avery Bradley, or JaVale McGee may be worth more.
The economic landscape in the NBA has also changed dramatically due to the coronavirus pandemic, with the shortened 2021 season being sacrificed as teams and players make moves hoping to setup a normal 2022 season. Suddenly, there are rumors of big name players like Jrue Holiday, Chris Paul, Gordon Hayward, Victor Oladipo, Bradley Beal, Devin Booker, James Harden, and Giannis Antetokounmpo possibly being on the move.
With that in mind, here are the top four moves, with the help of the basketball gods, savvy negotiations, and competitors focusing elsewhere, the Lakers just might magically pull off to repeat as NBA champions:
1. Trade for Jrue Holiday
The top magical move the Lakers could make to improve their chances of repeating as NBA champions would be to trade with the New Orleans Pelicans for 30-year old, 6′ 3,” 205 lb All-Star point guard Jrue Holiday.
Since Holiday will make $26.2 million next season, the Lakers will have to send out $20.1 million in salaries for the trade to be legal. The problem for the Lakers will not be matching salaries but making a good enough offer. Holiday will be one of the top trade targets on the market and the competition for him will be intense so the Lakers need to put together their best offer to have any chance at landing the Pelicans’ elite point guard.
The competitors may include the Brooklyn Nets who may offer Caris LeVert, the Golden State Warriors who may offer Andrew Wiggins and the 2nd pick in the 2020 draft, and the Boston Celtics who may offer Gordon Hayward. But there are so many elite players on the market the Lakers could get lucky as there’s a good chance the short offseason NBA free agency period could turn into a form of musical chairs where Jrue Holiday falls to the Lakers.
Since Holiday would be a perfect fit alongside LeBron and AD, the Lakers should go all in with an offer that includes Kyle Kuzma, Alex Caruso, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope ($15M S&T), and their 2020 first round pick. That would give the Lakers a third superstar to go with LeBron and AD and the ability to bring back Rondo, Morris, and Howard to go with Green, Bradley, Horton-Tucker, McGee, and whomever they sign with their MLE.
Holiday would give the Lakers the third superstar, reliable third scorer, and elite second playmaker to defend their championship as well as a two time All-Defensive player with solid experience playing with AD and Rondo.
2. Trade for Myles Turner
While trading for Holiday would transform the Lakers, pulling off a mega trade for 24-year old, 6′ 11,” 250 lb Indiana Pacers’ center Myles Turner could have just as great an impact on the Lakers’ championship window.
Like Holiday, Turner has attracted great interest and will be one of the most sought after trade targets this offseason as the Pacers look to retool their front court around players who better fit with rising star Domantas Sabonis. The Lakers’ major trade competition for Myles Turner will be many of the same teams and same offers they would need to beat to acquire Jrue Holiday: the Brooklyn Nets, Golden State Warriors, and Boston Celtics.
Because Turner is only making $18.0 million, the Lakers only have to offer $14.4 million for the trade to work. Like Holiday, however, the Lakers will need to make an offer that’s tempting enough to beat other teams’ offers. The Lakers need to go all-in if they expect the Pacers to trade Turner to them, making an offer similar to their offer for Holiday of Kyle Kuzma, Alex Caruso, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope ($15M S&T), and their first round pick.
While Jrue Holiday qualifies a true third superstar, Myles Turner does not. What he would bring to the Lakers starting lineup though could be just as impactful as he’s the ideal modern center to play alongside Anthony Davis. Turner allows Davis to play his preferred power forward position and has the skills as a center to transform the Lakers into a juggernaut at both ends with his elite 3-point shooting, rim protection, and perimeter defense.
The best analogy why the Lakers should trade for Myles Turner is he’s a mini clone of Anthony Davis and would enable the Lakers to play their version of ‘small ball’ for the entire game rather than just half of the game.
3. Trade for Victor Oladipo
Because of risks due to his subpar play coming back from a quad injury, trading for 28-year old, 6′ 4,” 213 lb guard Victor Oladipo isn’t the slam dunk trading for either Jrue Holiday or Myles Turner would be.
But the payoff could be just as great if Victor recovers 100% to become the budding superstar he was two years ago when he was ranked one of the best shooting guards in league, making the All-NBA and All-Defensive teams. While Victor’s trade value is low right now because of concerns about his injury and the ability to re-sign him, there will still be competing teams looking to trade for him, including the Miami Heat and Milwaukee Bucks.
Since Victor makes $21.0 million, the Lakers need to include $16.8 million in salaries to make the trade work. The Lakers should offer the Pacers Kyle Kuzma, Danny Green, and their 2020 first round pick for Victor Oladipo. Considering there’s some risk due to the injury and his free agency status, the Lakers’ offer should be enough to convince the Pacers to accept the offer. From the Lakers’ perspective, there’s little risk of Victor not re-signing.
One of the most appealing aspects of trading for Victor is his potential as a legitimate third superstar who’s young enough to help LeBron James and Anthony Davis win now and then to co-star with AD once LeBron retires. Because the Lakers would receive Oladipo’s Bird rights in the trade, they would then be allowed to go over the cap to re-sign him to a max contract, which is the only sure way to add a third max player to their roster.
While trading for Oladipo is riskier than trading for Holiday or Turner, the upside is greater since he has the potential to be a genuine third superstar whereas Jrue and Myles were just perfect catalysts for LeBron and AD.
4. Trade for Christian Wood
With Anthony Davis committing to re-signing with the Los Angeles Lakers, Christian Wood becomes the preeminent free agent big man this offseason, which means there’s a good chance there will be a bidding war to land him.
While some free agent pundits established Wood’s market value around $10 million per year, other analysts have suggested he could command as much as $15 to $17 million per year based on his breakout 2020 year with the Pistons. The maximum contract the Lakers should offer Christian Wood is a three-year $48 million deal starting at $16 million per year. Combined with a chance to win a championship, that should be an offer he just can’t refuse.
Assuming the Lakers can come to an agreement with Christian Wood on a contract, all that remains is working out an acceptable sign-and-trade deal the Detroit Pistons will accept as equitable compensation for trading him. The obvious centerpiece to the sign-and-trade deal is Lakers forward and Flint, Michigan native Kyle Kuzma, about whom the Lakers and Pistons had already had trade discussions before the trade deadline last winter.
A sign-and-trade between the Detroit Pistons and the Los Angeles Lakers of Christian Wood in return for a package of Kyle Kuzma, Danny Green, and JaVale McGee should be enough compensation to facilitate the deal. The Lakers get a player who could transform their team and clear cap space to give raises to AD, KCP, and Rondo and use their MLE and BAE to further upgrade their roster despite being limited by the $138.9 million hard cap.
Pairing 6′ 10″ Christian Wood and his 7′ 3″ wingspan with 6′ 10″ Anthony Davis and his 7′ 6″ wingspan would give the Lakers unprecedented size and length and a monster front court that would be a nightmare matchup.
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Great article LT! I feel like these are all pretty balanced proposals. The only one I had a question on was the one for Wood. Feels like we’re sending out more salary than necessary since you have Wood theoretically signing for $16ish mil and we’re sending out over $26 million. I believe Detroit would need to add another player to make the money work. Might as well try to keep Cook and his partially guaranteed deal to provide our own team with some cap flexibility, should it come down to getting under the apron for some reason or another.
I’ll rank them in t4rms of my personal level of excitement:
#4: Trade for Wood. I think we both agree that while being the least proven of all the players listed Wood will likely be the cheapest to acquire and fills a solid need both now and on down the line. Picking up a player that can be counted on in any game to fill the 5 spot and space the floor is essential to keeping AD fresh for the playoffs for those series where he plays a lot at the five.
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Weird. I edited the comment but the edits all vanished…bummer.
It was a long comment so I’ll reprise it in a nutshell:
#4 – Wood, as listed above.
#3 – Turner, more expensive to acquire but more proven than Wood.
#2 – Trade for Oladipo. Mentioned we could actually land both Turner and Oladipo if we get uber-creative. Personally I have big time concerns for trading that much for a player as injured as he’s looked. The cautionary tales of Isaiah Thomas and Gordon Hayward ought to be at least remembered.
#4 – Trade for Jrue. Feels out of reach and it’s a lot of talent to ship out for one player. Our strength was being able to change looks and when you reduce the cast and focus so much on star talent I worry that we erode the ability Frank had to deploy so many different styles of play, on both ends. Don’t see the AD trade as a hindrance, Griffin is a pro and if we have the best offer he won’t snub us. Obviosuly he’s the best superstar fit for AD and LBJ.There was a lot more but it’s evidently lost in the mists of time. C’est la vie. GOod one, keep ’em coming LT.
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Thanks, Jamie,
I had to leave early this morning to go to California City, CA on a consulting gig so I cobbled together the Christian Wood section of the article from previous articles and obviously screwed up the trade. I’ll fix the article later. Thanks for the alert.
The key to trading for Wood is selling him on the contract amount and the benefit of getting paid that amount to play for the Lakers. Once you sell Christian on the deal (3 years at $16 million per year for $48 million total), then you have leverage over the Pistons, although we’ll have to give them more than just Danny Green’s $15 million contract. That something is Kyle Kuzma, who’s a Detroit metro native having grown up in Flynt, MI.
So you’re right Wood would cost less than the other four both from a standpoint of trade assets and salary paid out. The S&T would limit what we could pay to keep KCP and Rondo but it would still be workable although we might run out of enough cap space under the $139 apron to use the full MLE. I might include McGee just to get more room under the apron to re-sign Morris and Howard.
Christian is not the proven player or defender as Turner but I think his potential offensively is way higher than Myles. Wood is a tiger attacking the rim and may have greater gravity from deep. And, like you pointed out, he is the cheapest option. And maybe the easiest to sign since we only have to get him to agree and then the Pistons have little choice.
The other thing that impresses me is Wood’s athleticism. He has some great hops and although needs to bulk to play the five all the time, can stay with guards attacking the rim and block their shots ala AD. He’s probably a reach for the veteran oriented Lakers but we can hope.
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LOL. Sorry about the lost comment. I’m writing this in Word because I’ve had the same thing happen to me. It’s the Youzer/Buddy Press plugin and I’ve notified them of the problem so hopefully it will fixed in the future. For now, this is my workaround with long responses.
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I also love Turner as he’s proven and bigger body than Wood but harder to land and would cost more in assets. But I would take him in a snap. The other option that I really like if the price is right is Obaka. Great defender and 3-point shooter.
I know most think we need a point guard but I think getting a 5 who can do what AD can do would have even more impact. Two pterodactyls protecting the rim would be like putting a lid over the basket or like that smaller rim coaches put on the rim to make it harder to shoot and give teams more rebounds to fight for. That’s why Wood and Turner would be great.I do like Dipo and would gamble is we can’t land Wood or Turner. And I do agree there will be more competition for Holiday than any of the others. What made angry about Gerald taking about my post is that he misconstrued or misunderstood what I was saying, which was the Lakers should be at the top of the list of competitors going after Holiday because of his fit and experience with AD and Rondo.
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Of course, Obaka for the taxpayer $5.6M MLE would also be a great option as a center next to AD.
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Definitely Agree;
#4 – I would love to see this happen. He is a bargain version of AD. If he can provide the same way as he did last season, he is going to be very valuable to the team.
#3 – As Jaime stated, a much proven version but a bit more expensive. Which is why it is necessary to really try to do #4 first before this move.#2 – The only way i would go this route if we can acquire both #3 and #2 with the reason if they can be their selves 2 seasons ago, then it would be hard for other teams to beat us.
#1 – This is the dream scenario but far fetch. Only to happen is David Griffin eats something that will make his eyes twinkle on every player the Lakers have. LOL
How about DRose, i have not seen him in the list anymore.
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I’d offer Kuzma, McGee and Green for Rose and a S&T for Wood, kind of doubt that Detroit does that, they’ll want picks we don’t have in the lottery range. They are going full rebuild but will be hampered by one of the more untradeable contracts in the NBA: one Blake Griffin who has a PO for 2021-22 for $38.9 mil which, barring 2 years of All Star level play that takes them deep into the playoffs, he won’t be seeing a better deal out there so unless he reeeeeeeally hates Detroit and money he’ll opt into. You could try to sell them on McGee is a solid backup for Griffin and the center they can use in spot duty, Green is the money we S&T Wood and Rose for and Kuzma is the future star that can play with McGee, and Griffin on the floor giving them a decent front court to build around and insures that, should Thon Maker leave, they have a center to allow Blake to play at the 4.
Leaves us a lot of our guards so if one feels strongly about holding onto McGee you could swamp Avery Bradley in but that would either mean we’re on the verge of over-paying for the potential of Wood taking on some of Detroit’s flotsam. If it’s me I keep Bradley, there aren’t a lot of solid 2-way players at the price he plays for and we can hold onto that very tradeable contract until closer to the deadline and have the ability to better address what mid-season needs we have.
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Detroit could pick up Svi’s option and send him over if it was Bradley, I think that would come very close t covering the needed salary matching parameters.
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Despite injury history, I’d much rather have Luke Kennard than Rose. Better skillset.
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The guys from the Lakers Fast Break return for some NBA Observation as they share thoughts on the recent big-money extensions for Miami coach Erik Spoelstra and the Clipper’s Kawhi Leonard. Does this mean the Lakers will be opening up their wallet a little more as well? Plus after Toronto Raptors coach Darko Rajakovic’s huge rant after the Lakers game because of the fourth-quarter free throw disparity, we ponder if Darvin Ham will ever show that kind of energy if he remains as the guys on the sidelines for LA. We’re back talking some big $$$, and wondering if the Lakers are ready to go on a spending spree? Find out our thoughts on the latest Lakers Fast Break podcast!
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