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Whether a byproduct of front office dysfunction or a carefully crafted trade position, the Los Angeles Lakers have let it be known that they are unlikely to trade Russell Westbrook or both of their two available first round picks.
With Westbrook playing better off the bench, the Lakers are apparently now prepared to keep him and allow his $47 million contract to expire, which theoretically could generate up to $35 million in cap space for L.A.
The Lakers are still willing to trade Patrick Beverley, Kendrick Nunn, Damian Jones, and Juan Toscano-Anderson, all of whom have not played as well as expected. Together their combined salaries total $22.4 million.The Lakers’ latest grand plan is for the team to start playing up to potential. Since the 2–10 start, they’ve gone 9–6 and are 12th in the West at 11–16. Make free throws and they would have gone 11–4 and would now be 13–14.
Starting tonight against the Denver Nuggets, the Lakers need to come out and start putting everything together. They have a formula to win despite their lack of shooting by dominating free throws and points in the paint.Besides Darwin Ham continuing to fine tune his starting and closing lineups, the Lakers will also be looking to get more help via a Beverley, Nunn, filler, and pick trade sometime over the next two to four weeks.
Once that trade is made, look for the Lakers to make one final review of the Westbrook trade situation as they approach the February 9 Trade Deadline to see if there were any newer and better opportunities to trade Russ.What’s next for the Lakers? Here are five steps they need to take in order between now and the February 9 Trade Deadline to keep their hopes of legitimately competing for the 2022–23 NBA championship alive and well.
1. Bench Beverley and Schroder
Patrick Beverley and Dennis Schroder played together for 123 minutes in 8 games this season with an offensive rating of 105.8, defensive rating of 113.7, and net rating of -7.9. Paired up, they’ve been outscored by 63 points.
The time has come for Darvin Ham to remove both Beverley and Schroder from the starting lineup. Their inability to effectively shoot or defend the three combined with their lack of size is a bad fit to open or close games.
The Lakers are entering a critical phase in a final push to save the season. It’s time for Darvin Ham to bench Patrick Beverley and Dennis Schroder and start his best five players not named Russ to give the Lakers a shot.
2. Start Reaves and Brown, Jr.
Darvin Ham needs to start Austin Reaves and Troy Brown, Jr. alongside LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Lonnie Walker IV. That would give the Lakers a starting lineup with better size, outside shooting, and defense.
The five-man lineup of Reaves, Walker, Brown, James, and Davis has surprisingly only played a total of 4 minutes in 3 games this season, posting a 157.1 offensive rating, 70.0 defensive rating, and +87.1 net rating.
The Lakers have struggled all season with slow starts to games and second halves and much of that is the mix of payers Ham has started and closed games. Everybody on this lineup has size, can shoot, and can defend.Until the Lakers trade to get some help, it’s up to Darvin Ham to make adjustments to have the Lakers playing better. Replacing Beverley and Schroder with Reaves and Brown, Jr. is a move Ham needs to make now.
3. Bench Russ to Close Games
The next step in season-long transformation of Russell Westbrook from superstar to 6MOY is his removal from many if not all closing situations. Even if he’s playing well, Russ is simply too dangerous to close games.
Used like Ham has been using him, Russ is the ultimate minutes eater and stat producer. He constantly makes great plays few in the league can make. He’s especially valuable in the middle of games and during long seasons.
But coming down the stretch of games or in the playoffs, Russ’ horrible shot selection, tendency to turn the ball over, and inability to shoot become too chaotic and dangerous to tolerate as part of the standard closing team.Darvin Ham has to look at the matchups, how Westbrook has been playing, where we are in the game, and limit his participation to close games and focus his effort at the middle of halves when Russ can dominate.
4. Trade Beverley and Nunn
The Lakers only have player contracts to make two trades: a Beverley and Nunn trade for a player or players earning around $20 million per year and a Westbrook trade for player or player earning around $47 million per year.
The expectation is the Lakers will make the smaller Beverly and Nunn trade in the next two to four weeks. The trade will likely include one of their draft picks and would help even if it were the only trade they make. Lakers’ targets include Bojan Bogdanovic, O.G. Anunoby, Kyle Kuzma, Eric Gordon, Jae Crowder, Cam Reddish, DeMar DeRozan and Evan Fournier. Issue will be teams demanding unprotected pick and Lakers resisting.
The goal of doing the small trade would be to give the Lakers some help so they can stay in contention while waiting to deadline to see if any new trade opportunities arise or terms on possible deals get more favorable.
5. Trade or Keep Westbrook
The Lakers are still hoping a team like the Chicago Bulls or the Toronto Raptors decides to rebuild and become sellers and move valuable players who no longer fit their new timeline. That’s when they hope to move Russ.
But once the team approaches the February 9 trade deadline, the Lakers will have to make a decision to trade or keep Russell Westbrook. How the team is doing will obviously have a major impact on the Laker’ decision.
Trading Westbrook is really the Lakers only way to upgrade the roster so if they’re still in contention, they may trade Russ and maybe save a pick. If not, they may decide to keep him and let his $47 million contract expire.By February 9th, the price teams may be demanding to take Russ in trade will likely decrease to just one rather than two picks. The chances then increase dramatically that the Lakers will ultimate trade Westbrook.
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LakerTom2 years, 4 months ago
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The Lakers trade expiring contracts and unprotected first round picks to the Detroit Pistons for Bojan Bogdanovic, Saddiq Bey, and Nerlens Noel and to the Utah Jazz for Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, and Kelly Olynyk.
The two Lakers’ trades transforms the Lakers’ roster, sending out seven players on expiring contracts and bringing back six rotation players, all of whom will still be under contract and eligible to be traded next summer.
With over $85 million in tradeable contract and their 2023 first round pick, the Lakers should be well positioned to pull off a major blockbuster trade next summer should a superstar become available who to replace LeBron.The Lakers’ trade goals are to find a starting small forward who can get his own shot and shoot the three, a starting point guard who takes care of the ball and shoots the three, and size, depth, and shooting for the bench.
Most importantly, the Lakers needed to commit to tradeable players on two or three year reasonable deals so they will have the necessary trading chips if a unique opportunity comes up to add a superstar to replace LeBron.Building a roster that can compete a championship this season while also positioning the Lakers for an $85 million portfolio of tradeable contracts that would let them to make even more aggressive moves down the road.
1. The Pistons Trade
The centerpiece of the Pistons trade is small forward Bojan Bogdanovic, who would become the Lakers’ starting small forward and third scoring option, and backup center Nerlens Noel and backup wing Saddiq Bey.
Bogdanovic gives the Lakers a third elite scorer and 3-point shooter who averages over 20 points per game while shooting well over 40% from deep. Bojan’s size and shooting is exactly what the Lakers need at small forward.
Nerlens Noel gives the Lakers the shot blocking rim protector that they desperately need when Davis is on the bench. Last year with the Knicks, Nerlens averaged 1.2 blocks and 1.2 steals in just 22 minutes per game.Finally, Saddiq Bey gives the Lakers a promising young 3&D wing who is the perfect backup for Bogdanovic. Bey is a 23-year old, 6′ 7″, 215 lb small forward who has a great stroke and can defend his position with verve.
2. The Jazz Trade
The centerpiece of the Jazz trade is veteran point guard Mike Conley, who would become the Lakers starting point guard. Mike is a career 38.2% 3-point shooter who’s averaging 38.9% this season on 5.0 threes per game.
Conley’s real strength is his ability to run an efficient offense, something that’s been greatly missed on the Lakers this season. Conley averages 7.8 assists per game and only 1.5 turnovers per game or 5.2 A/TO ratio.
While Mike is 35-years old, his game is still strong and the Jazz struggled when he was out with injury. The Lakers have been trying to find a floor general to take the load off LeBron for three years. Conley’s the answer.Add in Jordan Clarkson to replace Russell Westbrook as the Lakers’ 6th man and Kelly Olynyk to be the backup for LeBron James at power forward and Anthony Davis at center when the team needs more outside shooting.
3. The New Roster
The Lakers had 14 active players before these two trades. They swap six players and a pick for three players from the Pistons and one player and a pick for three players from the Jazz. That leaves them with 13 players.
The addition of Conley and Bogdanovic transforms the Lakers’ starting lineup by giving them an elite point guard to run the offense in Conley and an elite wing scorer to supplement James and Davis in Bogdanovic.
The addition of four legitimate rotation players in Clarkson, Bey, Olynyk, and Noel represents a needed major upgrade in talent and size for the Lakers’ bench. Los Angeles should have a great bench going forward.The Lakers new roster has a dynamically improved starting lineup and much deeper, bigger, and more talented set of backups off the bench. The Lakers could have the best 10-man rotation in the league after these trades.
4. Next Summer Salary Cap
One of the goals of the Lakers’ front office for next summer is to build a portfolio of tradeable contracts, which means trading for players who have two or three years left on their contracts rather than expiring contracts.
The Lakers will have over $85 million in the six tradeable contracts that they acquired via the Pistons and Jazz trades. Conley’s only guaranteed $14.3 million and Olynyk only $3.0 million of their salaries for 2023–24.
The Lakers will also get either their 2023 first round draft pick or the New Orleans Pelicans 2023 first round draft pick as they have a pick swap as part of the original deal when the Lakers traded Pelicans for Anthony Davis.Unlike the last two offseasons when they did not have legitimate rotation players on tradeable contracts, the Lakers will head into next summer with their deepest roster in three years and a portfolio of tradeable contracts.
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Lakers/Pistons Trade
LA gets:
-Bogdanovic
-Noel
-BeyDet gets:
-Beverley
-Jones
-Nunn
-Bryant
-Brown
-Toscano-Anderson
-2927 UNP FRPLakers/Jazz Trade
LA gets:
-Conley
-Clarkson
-OlynykUtah gets:
-Westbrook
-2029 UNP FRPhttps://t.co/rxKU4TWYAe pic.twitter.com/2nvUCUJW1l— LakerTom (@LakerTom) December 13, 2022
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LakerTom wrote a new post
If the Lakers want to compete for a championship this season without sacrificing their future with Anthony Davis after LeBron James retires, Rob Pelinka will need to transform the team with an extreme makeover.
The reason the Lakers need an extreme makeover is they need more than two or three new players to fix the roster to win now and win next summer. If L.A. wants to hedge their bets, they need to keep one of their two picks.
Finding a way to upgrade the current roster to championship caliber by using just one of their two available first round picks would enable the Lakers to have two tradeable first round picks on Draft Day next summer.While the Lakers need to trade for players who can help them win now, they also need to shift their focus from older players on expiring contracts and focus instead on younger players on tradeable two or three year deals.
To position themselves for a possible blockbuster trade next summer for the team’s next superstar, the Lakers need to build a solid portfolio of valuable rotation players on tradeable contracts on one or two year deals.Right now, the Lakers need a starting point guard and small forward who can score and shoot the three. Lonnie Walker IV is the only non-superstar starter who should remain. The Lakers need two new and better starters.
Besides Austin Reaves, the Lakers need an entirely new set of backups. They need a rim protector when AD is not on the floor, an instant offense 6th man to replace Russ, and backups for LeBron and small forward.Fortunately for Rob, the Lakers have an opportunity with the Pistons and Hornets to trade Westbrook, six other players, one first, and two seconds for six new legitimate rotation players to transform Lakers into contender.
The trade will dramatically improve the starting lineup by adding two 20-points per game scorers who shoot over 40% from deep and revamp the bench by adding four new backups to upgrade size, shooting, and defense.Let’s look at the proposed trades and why they make sense for the Lakers as well as the Pistons and Hornets. And let’s review what the trade does for the Lakers’ chances to win this season and heading into next season.
The Lakers and Pistons Trade
The Detroit Pistons have been looking to trade Bojan Bogdanovic, Alex Burks, Nerlens Noel, and Saddiq Bey. Bogdanovic would be starting small forward for the Lakers while Burks, Noel, and Bey would come off bench.
The trade saves the Lakers $7.5 million in salary this season, which can be used in the Hornets trade to take back more than they send out while keeping annual salaries neutral so there will be no additional luxury taxes.
Just as importantly, all four of the players being traded for have two or three years left on their contracts, meaning they will not only help the Lakers win this season but will be available as trading chips next summer.For the rising Lakers, this trade is a huge win that allows them to keep one of their two first round picks. For the tanking Pistons, this trade allows them to grab one of the most valuable draft picks to come onto the market.
The Lakers and Hornets Trade
Charlotte has been looking to trade multiple players including Terry Rozier and P. J. Washington. A poor start to the season, the Miles Bridges setback, and early injuries to LaMelo Ball have derailed the Hornets’ season.
The trade raises Lakers’ annual salaries by $4.3 million but is offset by the $7.5 million saved in the Pistons’ trade, leaving a net savings of $3.2 million for the Lakers, which should save them some luxury taxes next season.
While P.J. Washington is on an expiring contract, the Lakers will receive his Bird rights and will be able to go over the cap to sign him if warranted. Rozier has 3 years left on his contract but could be a key chip next summer.For the Lakers, the trade finally nets them an elite point guard who can score and shoot the three and a backup four. For the Hornets, they dump the $85 million and 3.5 years left on Terry Rozier’s original 4-year contract.
The Lakers Roster After Trades
The Lakers went into the trades with 14 active players. They sent out 7 players and brought back 6, leaving them with just 13 active players and creating another open roster spot for future trade or buyout market.
The improvement in scoring and 3-point shooting from Rozier and Bogdanovic should dramatically upgrade the Lakers’ starting lineup. Rozier is a career 37.2% shot and Bogdanovic a career 39.4% shot from deep.
In addition to creating space for James and Davis with their 3-point shooting, Rozier and Bogdanovic will take some of the ‘must score’ pressure off LeBron and AD as they both average 20-points per gameThe Lakers’ bench will get four new players: Burks will replace Russ as the team’s 6th man, Noel will protect the rim when AD’s out, and Bey and Washington will backup Bogdanovic and James at the three and four.
The Lakers Position Next Summer
Besides transforming their roster into a contender, the Lakers’ goal was to trade for a portfolio of quality rotation players on tradeable contracts who could be filler in a blockbuster two-pick trade for the team’s next superstar.
That is exactly what the Pistons’ and Hornets’ trades did for the Lakers. Besides their 2029 first round draft pick, the Lakers will also be able to trade whatever pick they end up with on draft day in a 2-pick deal.
Because they traded for players not on expiring contracts, the Lakers will be far better positioned this summer to pull of a blockbuster trade with two tradeable first round picks and five tradeable contracts worth $67,931,804.Besides extremely making over their roster to compete for a title, the Lakers also smartly positioned themselves to have a portfolio of first round picks and tradeable contracts to make a blockbuster trade next summer.
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Lakers, Pistons, Hornets Trades:
Lakers get:
-Burks
-Bogdanovic
-Noel
-BeyPistons get:
-Westbrook
-Jones
-2027 UNP FRP
…Lakers get:
-Rozier
-WashingtonHornets get:
-Beverley
-Nunn
-Schröder
-Christie
-Toscano-Anderson
-2023 SRP
-2025 SRPhttps://t.co/rgvTdC2JPP pic.twitter.com/qFFczoq21i— LakerTom (@LakerTom) December 11, 2022
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This is not a championship team, regardless of even the most far-flung, out of left field, Gasol-esque trades.
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I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say the trade would not work for the other teams but to complain that the trade does not make the Lakers a legitimate contender seems silly. This is a major upgrade of the Lakers roster.
We add two 20 ppg 41% 3-point shooters to the starting lineup and 4 new legitimate rotation players to the bench to give them size, shooting, and defense. That’s a squad that might be favorites to win the championship.
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Those percentages, historically, fall off a cliff once a guy goes from a green light option to a distant 3rd behind two high usage, ball dominant stars. Forget to mention the time it’ll take to get a guy integrated into a new system. Not for nothing, but every time it’s been tried, it’s flamed out pretty remarkably. This goes beyond the absurd leap of faith that a fading star in year 20 is going to magically find another gear come the post season.
Sometimes I’m all for changing just for change’s sake. That’s usually when it’s so bad that anything will look like an improvement. When it’s just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic, why sacrifice the future? This team, with or without those trades, is a team struggling to get into the play-in. These are not pieces that take what’s currently a lottery team into contention. I don’t see any potential trades that’ll do that. Sadly, when you screw up the cap so bad, there’s nothing that will.
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Trades won’t fix the philosophical issues that plague this team. A trade might help or it might not, there is no guarantee it will be better or worse on the other side. Trades very rarely work out as well as the one for Pau did. Mostly the same issues remain since we’re not trading LeBron or AD in most of these. If I’m being honest I could see a path where trading LBJ is what actually makes the team better but that will never happen so no reason to engage the hypothesis.
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I would invite you to go back and look at the bevy of “+40%, volume 3 point shooters” we have added to the LeBron/AD combo and how that has fared. This is not plug and play. They will get fewer shots, fewer minutes and not be featured. Especially if they don’t play defense.
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I’ve never bought the fairy tale that shooters come to LA to miss. Every year we see guys who shoot better than expected and worse than expected, but usually within a given range. Guys who fall in this category include the KCPs and Greens.
But there are also the Monks and Walkers, who surprise and shoot better than their history. I attribute many of the shooters we expected to be good failed because they could not play defense or contribute in other areas. In other words, bad choices that the coach did not want to play.
I think if we trade for a proven shooter like Buddy Hield or Steph Curry or Bogdan Bogdanovic, or Terry Rozier, they will still be able to make shots even though its at Crypto.com arena. We have never really had an elite volume 3-point shooter. Add Rozier and Bogdanovic and we will have 2.
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So you don’t think Reggie Bullock, Danny Green Wayne Ellington and a few more I’m forgetting are elite? You trumpeted them as such prior to this post is why I ask. Monk was in a contract year, got paid, now 35% from three. Is it cause he’s not properly used in SacTown or that he’s not in a contract year? Who knows, all I know is this: none of the guys that are proposed in trades will be used here the way they are currently. Buddy will fall into “shoots but no D” slot and will sit in crunch time. Likely play 20, maybe fewer MPG on our team. For two seasons or cough up a pick to trade him. How is that a good trade? The same goes for Rozier. Of all the “elite” three guys out there Crowder should top everyone’s list except he’s old.
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Fairy tale? From Glen Rice, Vlad Rad, and yes even KFC and Danny Green, and countless other end-of-roster castoffs that had a 40ish 3pt percentage on some bottom dweller, damn near all of them were fairly limp come the bright lights of LA. Sure they’d have a game here or there, but for the most part they were frequent subjects of ire during their typical brief LA tenures. The typical description was something to the effect of “this dude used to kill us, why is he such trash as a Laker?”
Walker IV and Monk, also, were there from camp. Decent rotation guys, but not instilling fear from behind the arc for anyone. That’s the likely ceiling for Bogie and Rozier once their usage is cut in half or more. Trying to integrate them later in a season may not have worked out the same.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Now that the MVP version of Anthony Davis has taken the torch from LeBron James as the superstar face of the Los Angeles Lakers, Rob Pelinka no longer has an excuse for not going all-in to upgrade this roster to win.
With rookie head coach Darvin Ham choreographing Russell Westbrook’s successful move to the bench and Anthony Davis’ sudden emergence as the franchise’s lead superstar, the Lakers have miraculously saved their season.
All that remains now is for Pelinka to pull off two big moves to upgrade the Lakers roster with more size and shooting: trading Beverley, Nunn, and a pick for 3&D wing and trading Westbrook and a pick for multiple shooters.Since no trading partner has a package that fills all the Lakers’ needs, Los Angeles should split their two available first round picks, assigning one pick to the Beverley and Nunn trade and the other to the Westbrook trade. Splitting the picks is a key negotiating strategy as the Lakers need to let teams know there is no deal where they’re going to give up both picks to any single trading partner. The new max is just one unprotected pick.
So let’s take a look at the different options available to the Lakers with respect to the smaller Beverley, Nunn, and pick trade or the bigger Westbrook and pick trade to see what Pelinka’s best moves could be.
The Smaller Beverley, Nunn, and Pick Trade?
Patrick Beverley and Kendrick Nunn have been disappointing this season. The Lakers need to package their combined $18.2 million in expiring contracts with a first round pick in a trade for a starting small forward.
With Anthony Davis playing like the MVP, the Lakers need to get serious about fixing their starting lineup and rotation. If Anthony Davis is really going to play nothing but center, the Lakers must focus on small forward.
For the last three years, we’ve watched Pelinka overload the Lakers with small guards while ignoring the team’s need for bigger 3&D wings to defend the bigger wing scorers who consistently punish our undersized guards.Getting serious means finding a legitimate starting small forward who can stretch the floor with his 3-point shooting on offense and have the size and length to guard the bigger wing scorers who consistently hurt the Lakers.
That means targeting proven starter quality small forwards like Bojan Bogdanovic, Jae Crowder, O.G. Anunoby, Harrison Barnes, or Kelly Oubre, Jr. rather than lower salary targets like Cam Reddish and Saddiq Bey.Offensively, Bojan Bogdanovic is the best candidate. He’s shooting 44.1% from deep on 5.8 attempts per game. More importantly, Bojan would give the Lakers a high powered scoring wing who can get his own shot any time.
Defensively, O.G. Anunoby would the the top prospect. While he’s a 36.9% career 3-point shooter, Anunoby’s biggest appeal is his elite defensive skills. Anunoby would give the Lakers a desperately needed 3&D wing stopper.Bottom line, the Lakers should trade Patrick Beverley, Kendrick Nunn, Damon Jones, and a protected 2029 first round pick to the Pistons for Bojan Bogdanovic, who would become the Lakers starting small forward.
The Bigger Russell Westbrook and Pick Trade?
While Westbrook has been playing better off the bench, the only way the Lakers can trade for needed multiple rotation players with size who can shoot is by packaging his $47 million contract with a first round pick.
Assuming the Lakers trade Beverley, Nunn, and a pick for Bogdanovic, who would start at the three along with Walker at the two, James at the four, and Davis at the five, their next move is to trade Westbrook for greater depth.
Specifically, they need a starting point guard who can shoot threes and quality reserves to backup Bogdanovic at the three, James at the four, and Davis at the five. That should be the goal of the Westbrook and pick trade.Several trades could bring back a package of players to solve the Lakers’ size and shooting woes. The package that jumps out is the Jazz foursome of Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Kelly Olynyk, and Jarred Vanderbilt.
Conley would give the Lakers a proven starting point guard averaging 20.7 ppg shooting 38.6% on 4.9 apg. Clarkson would give them a legit 6MOY candidate to replace Russ averaging 19.7 ppg shooting 35.0% on 7.7 apg.Besides guards, this trade gives the Lakers center Kelly Olynyk, who’s averaging 13.0 ppg and shooting 46.6% on 3.4 apg, and power forward Jarred Vanderbilt, who’s averaging 8.6 ppg shooting 46.2% on 1.1 apg.
Olynyk’s not the rim protector the Lakers need but he is big and mobile, can stretch the floor with his elite shooting stroke, and Vanderbilt is an excellent defender who has been having a break out season from deep.Trading Russell Westbrook and an unprotected 2027 first round draft pick for Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Kelly Olynyk, and Jarred Vanderbilt would transform the Lakers’ into a legitimate championship contenders.
What Would Lakers Post-Trades Roster Look Like?
The beauty of the Lakers two big moves is they swap four players for five players, giving up Westbrook, Beverley, Nunn, Jones, and two first round picks for Bogdanovic, Conley, Clarkson, Olynyk, and Vanderbilt.
In the process, they Lakers replaced four players who were poor outside shooters with five players who are good 3-point shooters, including a starting point guard and small forward and a trio of backup forwards.
A review of the above Lakers’ depth chart shows that the Lakers added two quality starters in Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic and three primary backups in Jordan Clarkson, Kelly Olynyk, and Jarred Vanderbilt.The Lakers not only upgraded the size and shooting of their starting lineup but also added major quality depth to their bench. They basically added five brand new rotation players to what is now a great 10-man rotation.
That’s exactly the kind of serious trades Rob Pelinka needs to pull off to upgrade the size and shooting of the Lakers’ roster and give them the kind of starting lineup and rotation that can win an NBA championship.Basically, the Lakers were able to replace 1/3 of their 15-man roster. They added a starting point guard and small forward who can shoot and a backup shooting guard, power forward, and stretch center who can shoot.
All five of the Lakers’ new players are plus 3-point shooters and three of them are front court players who give the team desperately needed size, rebounding, scoring, and positional defense as well as 3-point shooting.The two trades the Los Angeles Lakers pulled off with their two first round draft picks enabled them to completely makeover their starting lineup and basic rotation to fix their issues with size, shooting, and playmaking.
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Two Big Moves the Lakers Must Make Now That Anthony Davis Has Arrived
Move 1:
Lakers Get:
-Bogdanovic 44.1%Pistons Get:
-Beverley
-Nunn
-Jones
-2029 Top-5 Pro FRPMove 2:
Lakers Get:
-Conley 38.6%
-Clarkson 35.0%
-Olynyk 46.6%
-Vanderbilt 46.2%https://t.co/AdjJxhwjs5— LakerTom (@LakerTom) December 8, 2022
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What Would Lakers Post-Trades Roster Look Like?
The beauty of Lakers two big moves is they swap 4 players for 5 five players, giving up Westbrook, Beverley, Nunn, Jones, and two first round picks for Bogdanovic, Conley, Clarkson, Olynyk, and Vanderbilt.https://t.co/AdjJxhwjs5 pic.twitter.com/lMZ2jKOYIX
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) December 8, 2022
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Aloha Tom, there is no indication that the Jazz are looking to dump players. Everything coming out of Utah is that they are looking to make deals to elevate the team. Trading for Russ doesn’t accomplish that. The best Russ deal I have seen proposed is with the Pistons though. Bogdanovic, Alec Burks and Noel and a pick for Russ. We know what Bogdanovic brings but Burks would also be a great addition. He is 6’ 6” and can play the 1. 2 and 3. He played the point for most of last year with the Knicks. He also shoots 38% from 3. What makes it even better is both Burks and anole have team options and could be cut for cap space this summer. Noel doesn’t bring much to the table these days and hardly gets on the court so they could cut him and look for one more trade.
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I still think when it comes down to final decision, Danny wants the unprotected Lakers pick. In the end, I believe he will rebuild because his strength is drafting players, not trading for them. I believe he understands the cost of a team that’s not good enough to win but not bad enough to get a high draft pick. In the end, the Jazz will be wiling to move everybody.
I do like Bogdanovic and think he should be a priority. We desperately need guys who can get their shot any time. He and Clarkson are key to that. I also like Burks for the same reason and could see the Russ trade being done with the Pistons if the Jazz deal were not available. I do think there are good deals to be made but am worried that Pelinka still wants an All-Star, which likely means trading with the Bulls for DeRozan or the Heat for Butler. To me, that would be a major mistake that doesn’t help our shooting woes.
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Tom, narratives change through out the year and it changed with the Jazz when a core of 24 year olds began to perform at a high level. Every single thing coming out of Utah, contradicts your option. They have switched to finding players to add to their young core. By the way if you didn’t see one of several articles. Danny and the owner love Clarkson and unless there is an offer they can’t refuse he is staying.
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I read the same reports, Michael, but much of that could easily be just posturing. Ainge wants to raise the price for Markkanen and Clarkson. I still believe in the end, the Jazz will be sellers and not buyers. Like you say, narratives change throughout the year, especially as we approach the trade deadline.
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Michael, if the Lakers were to take the Pistons Russ deal to get Bojan, Burks, and Noel, who would you target with the Bev/Nunn deal?
Could the Lakers swap Beverley for Olynyk or Nunn for Reddish? I think the Lakers still need to move both of them. Who would you target?
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Can’t trade Pat to the Jazz for a year. I would turn my attention to Obre.
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That’s why I have the Russ trade with the Jazz. I do like Oubre and he would probably be my next option too.
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I took your suggestions and came up with this alternative pair of trades to put together a championship contending roster:
What Would Lakers Post-Trades Roster Look Like?
The beauty of Lakers two big moves is they swap 4 players for 5 five players, giving up Westbrook, Beverley, Nunn, Jones, and ONE first round picks for Bogdanovic, Burks, Bey, Noel, and Rozier. pic.twitter.com/Op9Is0d74V
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) December 8, 2022
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In less than one month, the Los Angeles Lakers have gone from having early season doubts AD would ever take the torch from LeBron James to experiencing the 10-game transformation that signaled his ‘Arrival.’
After struggling with injuries and missed games the past two seasons, Anthony Davis put the Lakers on his shoulders after a rough 2–10 start and has led them to a 3-game road win streak and an 8–2 record in last 10.
During this 10-game stretch, the Lakers have posted the 4th best offensive rating, 8th best defensive rating, and 4th best net rating in the league. They also ranked 2nd in FG%, 8th in 3P%, and 8th in FT% the last 10 games.Anthony Davis’ ‘Arrival’ changes everything for the Lakers and complicates the important looming decisions by ownership and management regarding trading Russell Westbrook and their two available first round draft picks.
The Lakers’ front office was already sharply divided as to whether to invest their two picks to give this roster a shot at a ring or save the picks for next summer. The ‘Arrival’ of Anthony Davis ironically affects both arguments.Let’s examine how Anthony Davis’ ‘Arrival’ the last 10 games as the next face of the franchise changes everything with respect to the Lakers’ needs, trading Russell Westbrook, and Trading their two first round draft picks.
1. Does AD’s ‘Arrival’ Change the Lakers Needs?
Anthony Davis’ ‘Arrival’ should end the perennial arguments about whether he’s better as a center or a power forward. If AD continues to play like the last 10 games, he will most likely win MVP and DPOY awards as a center.
The Lakers have spent the last three seasons futilely searching for a starting center to play alongside Anthony Davis, both to allow him to play his preferred power forward position and to protect him from physicality.
I’ve long supported trading for Myles Turner to play alongside AD but this Shaquille O’Neal version of Anthony Davis is even better than Bubble AD. It’s time for the Lakers to accept Anthony Davis is now their starting center.With Davis at center, James at power forward, Walker at shooting guard, and Schröder acceptable at point guard, the Lakers greatest need now becomes a starting small forward or 3&D wing to defend bigger scorers.
The Lakers need to end those three guard lineups with nobody over 6′ 5″. Fortunately, 3&D candidates for that position include Bojan Bogdanovic, Jae Crowder, Lauri Markkanen, O.G. Anunoby, and Cam Reddish.The Lakers first move should be to trade Patrick Beverley, Kendrick Nunn, Damian Jones, and a protected first round pick for one of the above wings to give their starting lineup more size, especially at small forward position.
The Lakers also need better front court backups. Bryant, Gabriel, and Brown, Jr would be the backup center, power forward, and small forward. Lakers’ top bench priority should be a backup center like Kelly Olynyk.Anthony Davis’ ‘Arrival’ has changed what the Lakers need in terms of roster upgrades. Top two priorities are landing a starting 3&D small forward and backup center who can stretch the floor and protect the rim
2. Does AD’s ‘Arrival’ Change Russell Westbrook trade?
With Anthony Davis playing like the best player in the world and the Lakers looking like a legitimate championship contenders, there’s a path emerging where the Lakers keep Russell Westbrook and allow his contract to expire.
The benefits of not trading Westbrook include the creation of $35 million in cap space that could be used to sign free agents this summer assuming they don’t trade for any long-term contracts and keeping one or both draft picks.
Ironically, another benefit of not trading Westbrook is still being able to benefit from his excellent play off the bench. Replacing the volume assists Russ gives AD is one of the major challenges of trading for Westbrook.Unfortunately, other than trading Russ and picks, the only other Lakers’ package that has value is Beverley, Nunn, Jones, and a first round pick, which could bring back player(s) who earn $20 million per year combined.
Theoretically, the Lakers could trade for a player like Bogdanovic to fill out their starting lineup of Schroder, Walker, Bogdanovic, James, and Davis and have a solid bench of Westbrook, Reaves, Brown, Gabriel, and Bryant.If the Lakers can trade Beverley, Nunn, Jones, and a pick for a Bogdanovic, they might have enough with the Shaquille O’Neal version of Anthony Davis and a healthy and rested LeBron James to win it all while keeping Russ.
That’s an argument we should expect the Buss Brothers to make as we approach December 15th and Rob Pelinka and the front office start to execute their key stretch drive moves to upgrade the Lakers’ roster.It makes sense for the Lakers to execute a trade for a starting small forward on December 15, which would still give them a chance to see how the team plays and reconsider trading Westbrook if the need and opportunity arise.
3. Does AD’s ‘Arrival’ Change Lakers Trading Picks?
Anthony Davis playing like the ‘best player in the world’ has to ease any concern the Lakers’ front office may have had that LeBron James and Anthony Davis were still capable of winning the NBA championship.
It should also give the Lakers confidence that the player they gambled would become the heir apparent to LeBron James has finally shown that he is up for that challenge and is right now taking the torch from the King.
That should theoretically give the Lakers confidence to go all-in to win the NBA championship this season both to get LeBron James another ring before he retires and to prevent the Boston Celtics from winning #18.The thing about a Russell Westbrook trade is it could bring back $47 million in combined salary vs the $20 million the Beverley, Nunn, and pick trade could bring back. That’s basically three rather than one rotation player.
Ideally, the Lakers need a starting small forward and a backup center, power forward, and small forward. The only logical way they can acquire those players is to trade Westbrook as well as Beverley, Nunn, and Jones.After trading for Bogdanovic, the Lakers should trade Russell Westbrook and one unprotected first round pick to the Utah Jazz for Jordan Clarkson, Malik Beasley, and Kelly Olynyk to give them needed size and shooting.
That 3-player Westbrook trade would give them desperately needed bench depth and the roster versatility needed to deal with the long regular season and normal injuries and play jumbo big or super small in the playoffs.Anthony Davis’ ‘Arrival’ changes everything for the Lakers and gives them a positive upside that’s clearly worth the team investing both first round draft picks to beat the Boston Celtics and win their 18th NBA championship.
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The one big change from my long standing position is that I no longer want to trade for Myles Turner. While I think they could work well together, I just don’t want to disturb what we’re seeing from Anthony Davis. The Shaquille O’Neal version of AD we’ve seen the last 10 games is too good to mess with changing. Get me Bojan or Lauri or OG so AD can only play center. Need to get Olynyk to backup AD as Thomas Bryant is not good enough.
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Even in my wildest hopes, I didn’t expect Anthony Davis to break out like he has in the last 10 games. It’s really a miracle for the Lakers and hopefully will convince the front office to go all-in on trading to upgrade roster so we can build a powerhouse around AD and LeBron and not just adding a couple of players.
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Of course story. Saw them in Evansville, In. years back. Stopped at the Hotel I thought they would stay. Ask the checker if they were staying there. “No” About a minute later here they came, lol Got Justin Hayward sig on an LP. I told as leaving, “Oh, he’s a Moody Blue,” lol!
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“With Anthony Davis playing like the best player in the world and the Lakers looking like a legitimate championship contenders, there’s a path emerging where the Lakers keep Russell Westbrook and allow his contract to expire.”
Uh…that path has fully emerged and is currently the one being trod by the Lakers. Been that way for some time, too. Some of us just can’t see the trees from the forest because of their obsession with trades. I’m going to ignore your Russ trade scenario because it ain’t gonna happen. Down to 80/20 against on my end.
Anyhow, glad to see my “negative” and “absurd” and “insane” opinions are gaining some traction amongst the mentally fit and stable. For a second I thought I might be losing my mind.|
Honestly, I can still see a path where Turner is the one they trade for simply to add defense and shooting. Of the players you mentioned none of them are the defender that Turner is. It’s his defense that has me wanting him in a Laker uniform and he could play the 4 or the 5. It doesn’t matter what the letters say after his name on the box score, it just matters how he affects the game. Turner and OGA would top my list if it was one of pure imagination.
Still, if Indy holds true to form they won’t trade Turner unless they’re out of the playoff hunt, if at all. No need to buy him out, they can sign him to the best deal out there if they think he’s worth it (or just for the purposes of a trade on down the line) and so on. Or let him expire without the Russ-sized buyout. No need to get hung up on one guy in our case, though.
From your list Cam Reddish tops mine. Feels like he’s in LW4 territory in that he just needs the right scenario to bust out and that ain’t New York which will likely be the last coaching stop for Tommy T. I doubt LM is available and even if he were Ainge will get better than the players he just shipped out and a pick or 2 5 years out. Valuable though they may (or may not) be.
Toronto functions like Indy does: they compete until it’s futile. Hard for me to see them trade OGA before such time and, again, there will almost certainly be better offers on the table than ours. What’s our best offer? Two small guards who struggle to score and picks 5 and/or 7 years out? If we pull that trade off for OGA Rob should win executive of the year.
Better to set our sights on “Reasonable” as opposed to “Highly Unlikely”. Kelly-O is reasonable and could be traded for PatBev straight up. Would Ainge do it without a FRP from us is the real question. Somehow I kind of doubt it since it’s likely they would turn around and just buy Patrick out. That kind of transaction usually costs the team getting the best guy a draft pick. That’s a lot for us to give up for a backup center.
Not sure where the Thomas Bryant hate comes from, still. As the backup I think he would actually compare well against an Olynyk kind of player. Rough comp:
TB: 12.9 mpg, 4.5 FGA, 72% FGP, 4.4 TRB, .6 BPG 8.0 ppg (bench)
KO: 28.5 mpg, 8 FGA, 56$ FGP, 5 TRB, .7 BPG, 13 ppg (starts now)Yes…I know Kelly shoots the three and, on Utah where he’s featured and gets big minutes, shoots it well. Take 16 minutes away from Olynyk and will you get the same offensive production and even less rebounding? Take 3 shots away and where are those coming from? Some from three because that’s how coach Ham uses his big men: as screen and rollers and rebounders.
For the price and losing PatBev (well his contract anyway…) for a position I don’t really consider a weakness that’s not a great trade. I’d rather push our chips in towards OGA and use both Nunn and PB, along with at least 1 FRP, and get the best defender on your list. Now, of course, there is a negative to getting a guy like that as it will eat into LW4s minutes, most likely. Also OGA is under contract until the middle of the decade (POO for 24-25) but I think he’s a player you could easily move, should one choose to, without a pick. You can trade OGA to anyone with cap space and use that TPE to retain LW4 if that’s what the choice boils down to this summer.
Anyway, the only thing I see hampering a lot of these trade scenarios are the same ones I saw last season and over the summer: the Lakers REALLY want to keep those 2 FRPs. They REALLY do not want to take on extra salary beyond this season. They have REALLY limited tools to work with. Oh and Rob’s history of no in-season trades. Every win bulks that one up bigger and bigger.
Cam Reddish feels gettable against that backdrop. So, too, does Jae Crowder who also comes with vet savvy and playoff experience. Phoenix will eventually move off their silly “we need a really good player for Jae!” stance and move towards a “OK, we need to get SOMETHING for this guy” and if PatBev and Russ can become friends I’d love to see CP3 and PatBev on the same team!
I say go for Cam: it only costs you Nunn and I wouldn’t give away more than Chicago’s second rounder. No FRP for him, he’s walking out of NY this summer, guaranteed. They get a serviceable player now and a cheap one this summer. That’s a win for them, at this point.
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Lol, the main reason I never did Twitter was the character limit. Also I try to take the trade proposals seriously.seriously-ish…
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Nice post Tom, you expanded my post. You’re welcome:) I’m glad that you have turned your attention to small forwards, because that’s what we lack. Anything will Utah using PatBev is off the table. I believe they are not allowed to bring a player back that they traded for a year. I don’t see Cam coming either. The Knicks are in the same boat as the Lakers with too many small guards. They are shopping a few already. As you know OG is my favorite here. His 17 mil contract is reasonable and we would have enough space to keep Lonnie. One guy you didn’t mention is Obre. With the Hornets falling he maybe expendable. I would also look in to Kuz. He will definitely opt out of his 13 mil contract. If the Wizards do not think they can keep him they may trade him. I think he enjoyed being a a Laker. If he told other teams he won’t resign with them, perhaps they would deal with the Lakers. But if we keep Westbrook, which I feel they probably will, we will really only be able to make one move. Not sure if it will materialize but hopefully it will. I do believe they will have to spend a pick but perhaps with protections.
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Thanks, Michael. After watching the last two games, I don’t want to risk changing anything in how AD is playing right now. I worry that adding a starting center could wreck what we have. Safest path to me is to get a 3&D starting quality small forward with size. As you stressed, it’s a key need to compete for a championship. No more 6′ 5″ wing defenders.
I just hope Pelinka and the front office don’t just trade Bev/Nunn/Jones/Pick for a bigger wing and then think that’s all they need. I still believe we should get a true quality point guard as we’re going to miss Russ more than we think. The problem is we cannot improve the team enough to win a ring w/o trading him.
Between AD’s ‘Arrival’ and Ham’s ability to get Russ off the bench to work, the Lakers have had two stunning internal developments that probably nobody expected. In the NBA, anything is possible and I guess this could be an example of the benefit of patience and waiting. Can Rob finally finish the job and complete this roster? That’s now the big question.
We still need a quality backup center because Jones and Bryant aren’t the answer. We also need better backups are small and power forward. Can’t get everything we need but we can’t just stop with Bev/Nunn/Pick for 1 player.
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That’s because Jamie enjoys blowing his horn and telling you ‘I told you so’ even when the result is known for sure.
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Just observating and opinionating. Call it like I see it, doesn’t matter what I’d like to see happening. I’m not the one getting paid big money to make these decisions and annoy you. I’m just the lowest hanging fruit on the Obvious Tree.
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I still do not think the Lakers will keep Westbrook for the following reasons:
1. You cannot trust him to close games or win in the playoffs.
2. You cannot fix the size and shooting problems w/o trading him.
3. If you let his contract expire, you have no tradeable contracts.-
1) But they do and they are.
2) Kinda true, there are other contracts that can be traded you’re just uber focused on a grand-slam, home-run trade fixing the Laker World which is highly un,ikely.
3) Untrue. You will sign some combination of players who will be eligible to be traded by 12/15 of the following season. They won’t roll into next season like OKC, $20 mil under the cap and wondering.With Russ’s cap space from his expiring deal it allows you to:
1) re-sign Austin Reaves (yes or no?)
2) re-sign Lonnie Walker 4 (yes or no?)
3) re-sign Patrick Beverley (yes or no?)
4) re-sign Kendrick Nunn (yes or no?)
5) re-sign Russell Westbrook (yes or no?)Added to a non-current roster MLE signing. Or let them all walk and pursue a player for around $35 million.
For me?
1) yes
2) yes
3) no and I hope he gets traded
4) ditto as 3
5) I think the Lakers missed this window, I thought he would be traded this summer for an overpay. I was wrong and admitted such fairly quickly when they started making it obvious by their self-imposed deadlines and adding the 2 more Buss kids to the brain trust and so on and so forth. In the end I do think they just let Russ expire, build off some of the core above, and look to add another player or two with some of that cap space.I will be surprised if we trade Russ at this point. Especially after he’s done all that has been asked of him and we’re playing well. if the playing well part changes or injuries knock out LBJ or AD that equation could change very quickly, depending on timing and our position in the standings and if said hypothetical injuries are season-ending, or close to it.
The question will soon become this: what is Russ worth on the open market vs. his worth to the Lakers? What will the Lakers decide to do? Of course the answer to that lies in the future, when we have a clearer understanding of both what this team is capable of and how Russ impacts that positively or negatively in his current role. If they think Westbrook works off the bench and Russ is willing to come back for John Wall money…? I think they keep him.
Just my two bits, which I guess are just super obvious and people should listen a lot more and stuff lol.
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